now is it best of it? yes, to follow the agreement. so i think for it would be better to, to go ahead with the means agreement. because the mix means can women offer offer us that offer a global solution, which is not the case. we do recognition of the 2 republics you. ready know, so from me if, if i am not graham, i see the situation from here from geneva. but that's why i think we missed this opportunity to make a concession to and to, to do, to try to apply. they are part of the means government with kind of federation, no consideration. ready no, no, federal federal is ition of eastern republics, but now he's opportunity has been missed. i am not sure it's possible.

there is made your last chance into coming hours that jeff could do a good go further in that direction, but i don't think so for you don't propose for domestic propose president zelinski is unable to do. consider all domains agreement application, unfortunately, and looking further ahead say a potential summit between j biden and president peyton. what are the chances that nato or the united states will understand? russia's concern about it is when expansion. i am pretty pessimistic because you also for domestic consideration political consideration in united states. i think president by them will not accept to make a substantial concessions if we look at her. the answers are united

states as provide a do the do russian proposal due to treaties of proposal of treaties made by more school didn't they didn't, they didn't accept any substantial discussion. it was only blah, blah, it was only worlds. and so i think a need to is also ms. do you report to need to get a big deal with russia? and that's why now we are everybody is going in a dead end and probably a do recognition of the rep. ready could be yes, were called principal reaction from moscow, but it will freeze the country not to yes, to get

a global di. let's talk about europe now. in europe. politicians are european politicians. i mean your there. do you think that germany in france has much weight in what's going on between nato and russia, or is the situation is russia has described today purely a situation between russia and the united states? no, i think your appeal in the specific germany and france that tried to try to have to sort of the, the quizes from it that so that's a good point. but it's too late because there had the opportunity to how to apply the means. go remnants since now, 7 years and i don't anything for her for her being that are so now they're just, they're just weakening but a little bit late and probably too late in order to do to how

to give a positive push to this or to describe the issue and or maybe it's better to intervene later and never. but i think as we can, as we can see now is probably too late and not strong enough because germany and then trans the head as member of the norman d format. they had the possibility to bush yes, to make concessions and to go hand with the piece. so the ocean but as they did, they didn't try any, any push on here. nothing up and, and. ready now we are in this dead end situation. ok guy look, we're going to leave it there that to really get to talk to you tonight. i was guy nathan, a swiss politician and janice,

thank you for coming on to our dealership and my russian authorities have been setting up shelters to take in sizes of paper. meanwhile, fleeing the violence from across the border. more than 53000 dumbass residents across the border into russia and reach recent days passed and through the checkpoints being offered medical and psychological support. a red cross spokeswoman in moscow told us how the conflicts escalation has affected the civilian population reportedly was. so that 2 of the beak bumping station in the dawn, it's quite gent, been she had and damaged by the have film. this currently which got about 1000000 people from the access to water. and that's really worrying because to that one meal. and it also includes access to for hospitals and other social services. and this is really important and we keep repeating our message to all sides. that civilian and civilian infrastructure must be sped. because this is key for the

survival of the population. if to speak about the people that arriving on the character of the russian federation to what we know is the russian which cross, i'll main partner here is already conducting a needs assessment to be able also to respond and help people on the other side. really hope that people who suffered so much already don't have to suffer more or tens of thousands of don't bash residents have been saying the region is the crisis does escalate. all correspondence don't quarter is that one of the temporary housing facilities set up to accommodate the evacuees. we're here right now in front of a sport school that's been converted into a temporary housing facility for don bos, evacuees in russia's roster of region. we've seen buses come through here throughout the day, some dropping off new visitors while others picking up those ready to begin the next step of their journey to another part of russia. ah,

most people we've seen here have been children and the elderly and they've been setting up shop right here in this gym. this entire complex is able to accommodate, around 600 people. but just to day 400 have come through it's doors. they've all been provided breakfast, lunch, and dinner, free of charge. the staff have assisted them in receiving their stipends of $10000.00 roubles or around $130.00 and to open russian bank accounts. but you go away, you owe you fighting against your own people. you can't do that, you just can't. my husband just called to say the bad they're, the guys are already in the trenches, but what can be done? they have to protect their homeland. is then yes, we're from the nancy. the reality is horrible. there shelling it's falling in the center of the city and attacks from those bombers. it's real, it's really like that was set off and ran from the war that's been there for 8 years. there is no strand from there's left anymore to endure it. people that have

been killing us for 8 years. you see econ forgive them, not now or ever and they will be punished. the question is only when god and people will punish them for everything. stop it. ah. and of course, in the age of colvin, it's very important to look after people's health. there is a clinic on site with medical professionals who are fully equipped to give checkups and take care of anyone who might potentially have an illness. she to lucia, the people here are mostly women, children and the elderly, and the medical offices being mainly used by elderly people with high blood pressure. and children with chronic diseases will not observed any symptoms of dangerous diseases, headaches, high blood pressure. that's pretty much it, nothing dangerous when you get in, there's no doubt this facility is well equipped to take care of those coming its way. but it's only one stop in

a long journey for those who are trying to escape the threat of war. people who have left their homes behind with little more than the shirts on their backs. oh yeah, no clue. you can go to the conditions here, a good. we had breakfast, lunch, we've been provided with beds. everything is on a good level. the only thing is that there are too many people here. scores of boss is all full. we spend the whole night sleeping in bosses. i'm here with my grand daughter. people are good here. they help us a lot. my husband's son, daughter, and grandson, state and don boss they done. now, if it's worth coming here, we're afraid that 2014 may repeat itself. this area is one of many that have been set up to temporarily accommodate evacuees on russian territory near the ukrainian border. many are likely to come through their doors in the foreseeable future, but few are likely to have an idea about what will come next. donald quarter r t ra stove me model, exploded munitions,

debris and broken glass. this is the aftermath village and that the next region we talk to a woman who survived the shelling. she is one of one of the lakers. they refusing to evacuate and says, she is determined to step these are the, let's see, it's the moment i perched the door, i heard the window shattering. and then at last, i opened the door to find black smoke everywhere. no glass in the windows, everything broken and a hole in the ground. later i noticed this child. if i went out 2 seconds earlier, i would have been, we see in the house hiding in the room. we have a cellar in the kitchen, but the seller will not save us. the seller will not save us. that's where the train crisis is dominating proceedings in the houses of parliament at the moment. and we can go live night to london to hear what has been said. shaggy edwards dusty joined us and shot he just run through then some of the comments that are being

made in london at the moment. while the found the secretary ben was, has been sticking today and having some strong comments headed directly to russia, saying that russia must be judged on its actions. not was basically london saying it's simply not good enough hearing from russia telling the west, telling nato that it has no plans to invade. the british government want to see the proof on here, but the proof is that russia hasn't invaded, but ben wallace today was telling his fellow m p. 's, that should russia escalate? this crisis than the u. k. will retaliate my can show you, repeat to me in person that russia has no intention of invading your crave. and while we will take them at their word, we must judge them by the actions. we continue to have the speaker permanent tooth and will relent and pull back from an invasion. but we must refer to the consequences if he does not. while the rhetoric today continues in

london, in fact less trust. she's been saying that an invasion is highly likely. of course, that's a phrase we've had many, a time when it comes to russia. number 10 bo, i says, the person is plans of invasion have actually already begun. and according to pretty much every single british media. so of intelligent says that putin's intention to invade could come at any minute. so today, in the comment, arguably, many n p to saying that this situation is already at a point of huge escalations and then hawks back to birth. johnson's threats of sanctions. now you remember gordon johnson threatened sanctions including new powers to target any individual entity aligned to the russian state. now m p 's today says that directly involved, i'm my colleagues right here at r t u k. obviously the law has to be pulled just yet, but in terms of the western presentation, the assessment of the situation,

there's been simply no change. according to british media, troops are now poise completely at the ready us defense systems, land power. all you would need for a full scale invasion till that happens. if that happens, britain says russian is to prove its innocence. now, listening to the british media throughout the day, that's the phrase is like the clock is ticking. we are now at the 11th hour, but was really quite interesting as if you go back just a few weeks. those same british media source is old headlines that said that a russian invasion was going to come at one a n 10 days ago in your okay, well thank you for that update shabby, and that was chevy edwards dash reporting from london on the conversations that are taking place in the u. k. has the parliament about ukraine crisis. right. thank you . we're just to remind you, president post and we'll make a final decision today. he says on whether to recognize the independence of the self proclaimed on bash republics. he made the announcement as an emergency meeting

of russia's secures, he came, so i was paid for. so oper could a time cranial with any crane in 2014 it initially part of the population of these country pretty new la. they didn't tell you except the news to do this. could a lie to remind it that it was anti constitutional blood was spilled because during this events, a lot of phoenix and people were killed to know. so part of the citizens of this country, they didn't accept this crew to concern the people who leave in crimea. and really so those people who are living and leave in the best thing around these people talk to you for the middle. would you? they said that they are going to school and establish 2 independent republics. don't ask people's republican lugens people's republic starting from bad mom and become protection between authorities and keeping people who live in this territory

and has begun. and i would like to draw your attention to the fact that russia has done all we could to us be useful tools to use peaceful means to resolve all the h differences. skiwski were listed. but despite the sap for its key authorities new to why 2nd in the i get amazingly dictated, offensive launched offensive when you're pushing against people and these territories. and it seems that we are a witnessing the escalation of the situation situation for the 3rd time. all this years i would like to remind you me through the people who leave there is do it basically was stanley oxford. ellen during the negotiations when we came up with her new gland to my equivalent just to show this resolved the situation. it's called the misc accords because the negotiations were held in minsk, which was priscilla. she said we could because we were, but further events showed you give that to me 2 days ago. authorities from keith

have no intentions to implement with this plan. more than that, the they have stated this someone lucian, guzzlers, them orange. okay, one more place to bring in brace marks. now he's a lawyer and format he a state senator, so it will be good to get his take on what's happened this afternoon and good off that will get even, which is a t brave some. what do you think president poets him will do? he said he's going to decide later today and whether to recognize these breakaway republics is independent states g. think he will i would hope that he doesn't. i think that would represent a very serious escalation in the situation between the united states and the western russia. there's nobody in the western believes that has the right it would be right for him to recognize the so called rank away republics. the reason that they exist is because russians and military support and forces in don

bass in 2014 absolutely the russian. i mean, that western governments believe that that was an improper infringement of the sovereignty of ukraine. i don't see how that would be remotely helpful to rush to do this. like, well, i can help me from the russian perspective. bridge say say they've got 800000 citizens. they're not being shelled. well, there are 8 100000 ukranian citizens there. and since 2014 russian milk, the west certainly believes the russian military sport has been given to the so called shepherdess, in order to encourage them not to unify with ukraine. i don't think that the west believes that the crane is intentionally shelling into these areas in order to escalate some type of problem with russia. so whether it is right or wrong,

i'm simply responding to your question as to what the impact will be in the west. my thinking is that if he recognizes the 2 republics, don't forget, you know, russia recognize so called break away republicans, i think from georgia that no other major country has recognized it, also annex crimea. i don't think any major at least western concrete is recognize that i think that the risks that would have actually does this. this is kind of late. the sanctions just like there were sanctions related to the annexation of crimea. but particularly given where we are now, i don't see how recognizing those republic it's in the middle of this, this crisis is, is going to help the russian situation. he's recognizing the minister agreement solution. well, either the misc agreement, you know, is obviously, you know, one means of resolving this. you know, there's been back and forth, you know, in terms of who's, who's acting in good faith and who isn't. but yeah, that's,

that's one means because of course, the best means of resolving things diplomatically enough for the use of force. you know, one way is to minsk agreement. the other thing, of course, is that you have the, i think it's called the budapest agreements in 2014, the, where the united kingdom, united states and russia, a great respect the, you know, the sovereignty and the security of ukraine. i know presidents landscape has made yet another demand that there be consultations under that agreement. and anything that involves the leaders of these countries talking to each other, something that i've always encouraged, including perhaps a potential summit. president micron is trying to arrange between president and president bite and all of that of course is much better than armed warfare. he. the concern is it's taking several was 7 years now from when these minsk agreements were made, i think, and nothing's happened. i mean,

russia was saying today that key ev refuses to sit down and even talk with those that say that they are now in charge of the breakaway republics. when that's the stones, how can it be resolved? well, i think there's disputes, whether those people are legitimately in control of the break away the publics. but i think the concept is always been the ukraine and russia along with the other countries that are part to the mention agreements should. those are the countries that should, that should discuss that this should be decided between, you know, recognize governments and not necessarily people who are, you know, representing so called shepherdess and shepherdess james. ukraine clearly has an interest in trying to resolve this and take back. you know, it's, it's sovereign control over over the dom. at the moment, as you save is the shelling and it to be fair. the o. s. c says is happening on both sides of the com site line. it's not just one side to make that clear. but it's the 1st step to get some sort of sci fi there. if

so, what sort of price you should be placed on key f? well, i mean there's been efforts to have a ceasefire for the last, whatever is 7 years. i'm not so sure. i don't know what pressure should be put on kia. i mean, a lot of certainly from the ukrainian perspective, they're reacting defensively. the shelling that's coming from the shepherdess regions, i suppose shepherdess russia has a different view to maine. the best way to resolve this would be to have the leaders of countries that are interested in this obviously is a landscape president biden ivy. the germans being the european countries that are most directly affected, which would be germany and france. so being the closest as well as forest johnson. there's some way that these leaders of, you know, the major countries in the west can try to find resolve the way to resolve this. i

think that would be the best course. clearly shelling is not going to he does not going to salt. okay. and just finally praise, what is your expectation then of the diplomacy that is lined up for the next few days? the meetings between forum and this isn't potentially a summit between joe biden and president pacing. but i think that's the course to go. i mean, i've said already that i think president biden has, you know, really gone too far on some of these allegations about there being an eminent, imminent invasion. there's a letter that was sent to the new and i think by the united states that raised a lot of, you know, questionable allegations is to rushes in 10. obviously there's concern. i mean, crimea was clearly invaded by russians who pretended to be little green men in 2014. the west needs to be careful about this,

but i think i'm optimistic that it will not be an invasion. and i'm also a least semi optimistic that if president vice president couldn't speak with one another, maybe that they, they can resolve at least some of the issues. at the same time, i would strongly encourage russia to withdraw some of the forces that it has along the borders with ukraine and then beller is there's really no good reasons for them to have 830000 or 850000 forces poise. so closely to the ukrainian border that only causes speculation that there may be an investigation in the invasion. we know that, you know, when maybe russia for the forces are clearly not there. you know, for a real defense purpose. ok bracelet we're going to leave it there, but so really nice to see tonight that was pretty st. mark's lawyer and former us. senator, thanks for coming on to our to my best stuff. sandra. take care i political

science lecture, john loveland told us that the west does appear to be doing exactly what it's accusing moscow off. what is going on in ukraine at the moment is an attack essentially, is a provocation. while the western media have been telling us now for many days and weeks, not only that they will be a russian invasion of ukraine, but also that russia will stage full flag attacks in order to justify such an invasion. i've long suspected and unfortunately, as i say, your report seem to confirm this, that actually it's the other way round. that in fact ukraine doesn't tend to attack the separatist republics in order to either regain them all to provoke a russian response. and they're by twos, trigger the sanctions which everybody seems to want. that does indeed imply that ukraine is spoiling for a fight. it would be the perfect cover, wouldn't it?

because we've been told now for weeks that russia is about to you to invade. but if you crane were to try to take the separatist regions by force, and if that were to cause casualties, then the western media would unanimously say, well, this is all fake news coming from russia. and it would be immediately discredited as information watching out international. that's how the news is looking so far. today we're going to take a quick break, but we'll be back out with the latest on ukraine and fighting with i my kaiser was more of my guy to finance all survival. this is a hedge fund. it's a device used by professional scale, you eggs to earn money. that's right. these hedge funds are completely not

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a resource for you. the seriousness of this for the teacher developing and finish with water. the past 3 decades, green light for ukraine, eye witnesses recall the events. this will be more or less due to she was in a deficiency of a little you what i knew tonight that order. i'm not sure, but i did that for months with no idea what else and what other forces were at play . you have to do sort of the new shows, inch in machine, those them you put in the kid what it americans to when you did the shows up in was a version george. nice. take a look at ukraine. 30 years out, the gaining independence if you're going to read your phone with us, unless you mean, yeah, i get it live, but it will ethridge if you could re issue it. ok. have lunch with us? no, no, no problem. ah. what

kinda makes no sense. no board is under a piece of emerge. we don't have with the we don't to the vaccine. the whole world needs to take action and be ready. people are judgment, common crisis with we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way, but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great. the response has been mess. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together with a,

with the headlines on break in utah international president, putin will decide before the end of the day whether to recognize the independence of adorned bass grains round the clock shelling from both sides and the region is sounding as well, since the conflict proposed to erupt it in 2014. recently incident, tragic happened here, just west of new york city to shelves flowing from the ukrainian side, made high impact lots earlier. 5 is the water pumping station in the city. have gone yet cutting supply to roughly 20000 people. the self proclaimed on people's republic has now declared a state of emergency and to 3 understand that more than 50000 people have fled the violence of the recent days by crossing the border of the neighboring russia. with

a mass evacuation well under.