as a package in the complex, without going away from the main proposals made by russia, which you and those have 3 main items, is that neither pushing the new solar firstly, non expansion of nato. the either non deployment of offensive weapons next to the russian borders. and finally, bringing back your military new position even in for structure, back to the consideration of 997. when the founding act assigned between russian nato. these principles proposals were ignored, that with me, but europe of our western partners. once again, we shall it, though to me from it'll k the same, the same all words that average state, but it has freedom to choose ways to enhance security, to provide its security, to join any military alliances. so nothing changed in their position. they talk about the same open doors policy, nothing more than bad. once again,

as they tried to blackmail i was once again they threaten us with sanctions when you are and i think they will fill in post those in fred, use those euro as strong. and as more powerful our country become effective, we will always find unexcused to introduce more sanctions, regardless of the situation on ukraine, that he is the only goal the help is to contain the development of russia. and they will do that like they did before. there's a while she is sick or for monday without any remote excuse only because we exist for food and, and we will never concede our sovereignty or national interest and our values. and i want to be frank, in the current situation, when our proposals about equitable dial it about principal matter is cat no response from the us and need to when the level of threat for our country is

becoming greater and greater. russia had a right to take counter measures to enhance our own security, and that's how we plan to act sort of was renewed with them, but maybe asked for a situation in don. but we can see that the key of elite will stating publicly about lack of willingness to implement the means agreements to settle the conflict that you are not interested in peaceful. the resolution, the vice versa. they want to start blitzkrieg, like it happened back in 20142015 when you went to and you remember what you have now. it and it, we just have to deal with them now. almost every day we are selling settlements and gone past. they have met with large groups. usually they are using a fancy as you and meant it was the causes, the museum in black, other and heavy machinery range of the torturing people. children, women,

elderly people, doesn't stop, doesn't cease. we see no and where to wave a little in the meal and the so called civilized world, you have been steady to make a total with some one that was nearly an hour western days colleagues proclaimed themselves the only representatives of this is your free world. they prefer not to, not as, as if there is nothing like this happening. there is no genocide perpetuate it against them. work in millions of people. and the only reason is that the least people didn't want to back the could to talk in 2014. they do it against the nationalist movement, the movement towards the nationalism in stone age, nationalism and nazi. and they want to defend their basic rights to leave on their land, to speak their native language to get to preserve their traditions and their culture

. how much longer was an adapt could go on. how much longer can be there in russia? did everything good, good enough to get to keep tauriel integrity, ukraine. we tried hard to implement the resolution on the security council of un 22 . 02. you know, it's not that endorsed means agreements on resolving the situation in the bass, but now everything was done in vain or rather the presidents are changing the problem and members are changing. but the idea of aggressive regime is still the same regime that sees the power in keeping it and it was created by the could the top 2014 and those who shows the way off the prison. i will, if you please. now you go the violence of need, they see no other way to resolve that on the crisis other than the military way in

this regard, i deem it necessary to make a decision that should have been made a long time ago to immediately recognize the independence and sovereignty of don, this republic and low against people's republic for supper. and i would like to request the federal assembly to support to back this decision and rectify that agreement of friendship and children that were held with old republic and wrapped this document and signed this documents in the near future. a gift of what you would usually hand, those who sees the power and the power in see if we demand to stop has still it is immediately otherwise all the responsibility for the possible continuation of that will be on the consciousness of the and even regime that is ruling can hear by declaring decisions, and i'm confident that i will have support of the people of russia, all the patriarch with forces of russia. thank you for your attention now that we

all with russian president and put in that giving us what was a very highly expected and anticipated announcement that ultimately he is recognizing that he'll be on top of these breakers republics in east and ukraine. talk about taking the long way around. just ask you, you know, he really started off his whole statement with, with what was essentially a bit of a history of less. and he talked all about that. the bolshevik revolution that days of star and world war 2. the great pastor was the collapse, so the u. s. s r as well. and i think it's actually very important, extremely pertinent because it, the history of russia is so rich and by him explaining that it gives you an idea of how tangled the situation is in ukraine. i think that's exactly the way that i would use, you know, as much as we have an instinct to try and see things simply as black and white. i think that the beginning of putin's address actually showed how difficult the current situation is and how far apart the 2 sites are. because yes,

as absolutely no doubt that ukraine and russia are linked historically in terms of religion, in terms of culture, in terms of language too. but at the same time, he was talking lot about history and he said, you know, we're not just neighbors. what brought them with family and, and you know, if you talk about 17 percent of the ukrainian population identifies as ethnic the russian. they speak russian to kia ancient 50. it was the fast capital, you know, of the russian state and says, definitely a sense that was a bit of nostalgia there. i think you can say, and that was a sense they want to stay linked at the same time. i'm sure lots of people in ukraine, a thing. we recognize that, but that's in the past. you know, we don't want to still live in the shadow of russia. we want to kind of break out on our own. we want a clean slate, but it really showed you how much we trying to simplify this as you praying rush or that it's actually not the same token. you've got brothers on different sides of the front, like you thought so much lincoln here,

countries together to try and just set them apart like thought really just it doesn't walk. well, let me put and have had a lot of strong work to say as well, that definitely was a bit of knowledge perhaps. did you say we talked about talks about the old days, but he talked about essentially what ukraine has become. and he essentially said, ever since the 2014 my dad revolution, this is when everything change there, the m p 's that came in were bought corrupt, criminal and behavior, put and say the ukraine is essentially now controlled from the outside financial institutions, financial entities, n g o key authorities basically bought and paid for food and even said that ukraine is turned to a colony of puppets. yeah, and actually just before we delve into, i think what we're looking at right now are images of president putin signing thought resolution that was handed to him by the lower house of parliament. over the later this week. i mean this, the many people will be a historic moment. you know what i was actually our course, our correspondence in,

in most, sorry, intern yes. sent us a photo. and it was of people who live in on. yes. and they was watching president putin's address. i mean, had champagne on the table and they said we're wasting, and we're hoping that this will be a story moment they thought about of that important moment while you were saying and tom, so kind of serious reference to the 2014 ref friend, but not with 2014 my don protest, i think that is probably one of the most important starting point kind of the morton viewer to understand. and i think that's why the president putin feels that you quite rushed really started parting ways. because of course, as we were talking about, you've got the sort of pro european, the pro western and then the more kind of, more of the style to people who are like, well, no, but russians are all problems. we want to stick with them too. and it definitely

seemed that president putin was very strongly suggesting that that's a very strong suggestion. the for an actors were play the, i mean, we still photos of john mccain hunting out cookie victoria new lenders who are in union 2, talking about, you know, who was going to replace young cobit too. and when you talk, when, oh, in fact i think what was said right now of so toast from images right now from done . yes. which of course is in don't pass the caps of the region. well, let me show you, there's a crowd gathering. you know, this is clearly a moment that has been anticipated. this is just like press coming, coming out now to make 7 perhaps is what it's nearly 10 pm on monday evening, down there. right now it's, it's basically freezing temperatures. there are the people celebrating this in the wake of let me put in an ounce once asked you, well this is what i said. this is something that's going to have. i think a huge implication on the lives of people and don't pass because i think it means

that a lot of them will apply for russian citizenship. a lot of them will feel that finally they, that concerns have been hug that they felt a dissociation with ukraine. they felt they were a bit different. obviously, i'm sure we'll regret this and we'll say that this is a violation of ukrainian sovereign territory, but will be people who for 8 years have been shells. and as president putin was saying, are you living in the basement and felt very isolated by the government. this will be a dark moment. sorry, but how is the key of government going to use this right now? because already we're seeing in the western media that we're doing is essentially a land grab, you know, for russia, here's the landscape, probably gonna agree in some regard to that extent here. but we think people now the piece of life fisher designed aside now from the break way republics. and essentially, people are celebrating in the wake of war, but mr has announced, and what did he announce? russia president has an hour for the fee will recognize or honor me in the self

proclaimed breakaway republics, which is a huge movie. i mean, does that mean? does that mean wars off the table? sounds good. do you think, or i think situation is so unstable at the moment it's, it's so incredibly difficult to protect. i think everyone from kias to moscow to washington to european allies. they say to that commitment to resolving this in a diplomatic way. that is, why time and time again, every single size involved in this has reiterated its commitment to the agreement. you know, it said we want to find to get them out to pass out of this. let's stick to the 5. let's pick 2, those 2 points. let's stop the bloodshed, it definitely sounds, i mean, accusations of flying of those directions. we have just from president person in the address that he has killed cement agreement. president lance, he says that rasa is violated to that. it's always been committed to them regarding how ukraine will perceive. i think that's up to you. no doubt, i mean,

reaction was already beginning to come through before this address came from pearson on the 4th, johnson for example, said that this is against international law. we had from the un us that this would be a violation of ukraine territorial sovereignty. and i think here will absolutely be on the same page for them. don't boss is ukraine sort of separatists for public ukrainian people. i think this will be a huge blow on, but look at this, this is satisfied as the metal, you know, the coin, what we're looking at right now, people pumping the fists and the people clapping people. filming this historic moment, unlike i was telling you know, where it costs website off. even don't pass nissan of photos of people that you've been speaking to over the last couple of weeks. but he came there on the ground and said, i mean i've got the photos that, that with some paid with glasses. and i think that may be a sign of relief for them. how this will play out and what implications, whether it will lead to any destination, whether it will,

some of the tensions or to the country actually cause a great a flyer off. i mean, unfortunately it's a t shaped time will tell us, what do you think? what do you, what do you think is happening in the white house right now? pennsylvania avenue as mid afternoon in washington right now, of course someone someone filling by noon or what food its been saying? any, any, any, any suspicions about what, what the rhetoric might be in the white house? well, i mean, the u. s. is always very clear about us that it would consider a hostile act. we have us c o s c, which field to my station, heresy, and corporation in europe. saying that this is completely unacceptable. and i believe i was speaking present by himself, convenes a security meeting. i don't talk thought he had one on sunday just yesterday and i was sorry, last weekend. so i mean, i think there's no doubt that it's a good fee rejected, right out of hand by what he said, something that president did say. and he said,

we've had enough of washington black mailing off functions and orders, punitive measures. and i think that was very clear, awareness of this is what is going to happen either way. i think we do need to talk about a significant portion of that and try to and that was russian cure in days. i think specific, if we're going to know with what we're talking about is obviously ukraine joining nato. that's to fight native promising back in the ninety's and all will talk to me as well prove that this is the case that the nature of the military life would not put all of a sudden that print job and upgrade not the case, but fortune company, since then and now ukraine is potentially become a member and it's not at all. what was very concrete about president putin's address. that was how much to see the nato alliance within the ukrainian area as a very significant,

specific threat to russia. talked about how nathan has overstepped the line and almost become reckless, using some kind of playground for military activity. let's listen to what they said . in the west started explore the territory of ukraine as the future theater of military action that the future battlefield and it is aimed against russia. last year alone, it had more than $20000.00 troops. and more than 1000 equipment, cardboard units was ascii as you were talking about what essentially the miniaturization of ukraine. and there are norful, lot of professional partners that were involved in this. but it was interesting what one of the comments the russian president that was, he said that that's almost a perpetual state of drill happening and barriers, eastern eastern european countries and these in nato drills. and he said the drills are used as a cover for the distribution of nato military hardware, these perpetual drills where basically with a distribution of ministry hardware,

they're setting up setting up natal basis in these eastern european countries. now, you also said that article 17 of the ukranian constitution says no foreign bases are allowed on ukrainian territory and yet fast off the hills. the seem to be endless. in eastern europe, we are seeing a setting up of new essentially faces and fire some facilities all over eastern europe. you might think that perhaps there's a legitimate argument that helps you, but what you want to draw attention. i mean, look, we've got fireworks on the screen. we've got, i mean this is, this is clearly a celebration for so many people. obviously we can see the russian trick and all being waved around. i think that's probably a great deal of appreciation for russia kind of find me respecting what don't pass inhabitants leads that they've been owed for very long time because i will remind everyone that according to the ment, protocols got done yet reasons of point, 1113 should long ago have been awarded

a quite special status, but unfortunately, president nancy has failed to do that. he does not negotiate with them the same time. he says that he is absolutely committed to them who just doesn't particularly like the us in which the credit wants to be implemented. so it is a document the order is $1.00 to $13.00. but we can see those, those pictures rights us. the only thing i do, what you, things are the militarization of ukraine. i mean, president putin said, we've talked about all those weapons flowing in that. you know, it's just been constant. we've seen pictures of the last couple of weeks. the u. k, the u. s. wanted some sub and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of critique has now been used on one side of the contact line. and the president also claims that those ukrainian forces and those particular services are being governed and rule. you know, we were talking about for an action by, for an actor. this is not entirely the initiative that ukraine is not acting

totally in a way that has all of this. and of course undermines masses. even medicaid on this is a defensive organization. here of course is going to say something like, no independent country, and we've had enough russian quote, aggression, and we'll get, we'll be getting those comments coming out on the almost immediately or 19 to now. so as we continue with our rolling coverage break, can you see a stand by please don't go any way. let's course live now the load of a news belgian political x by joining us here on the program today. i hope you can hear me so good eating from moscow. it's always to show you here in the studio. we're seeing pictures of celebrations right now coming from the eastern breakaway republic. so what are your immediate thoughts, mr. finance? well of course i can understand the feelings of those people. ringback they might feel a sense of relief from the attention that they have been living on the last few years

said that i will get some kind of protection. but of course i have to look at it from a verola perspective. i think it's very important for your viewers to, to emphasize 2 things. first of all, in any conflict of this kind, it's not correct that the one side is 100 percent good ones and 100 percent, but it's always more complex than that. and secondly, i need to emphasize that contrary to, to what the mainstream media portray is absolutely not a consensus, even within nato, on the whole issue. and especially not long the feeble here that are there are a lot of people who really believe the mason narrative, but there are also many others. so a snatcher, when did they say europe? ron's this or nato wants this? well, those are institution daughter, not people with one. will you have to understand that not secondly, on the issue itself, i can understand her where it comes from. but i'm really worried that this might be

da da da. one step too far in the direction where the other side of us, besides kind of see not what we always was saying. the thing is, 1st of all, da da da da musser frontline does not govern the hope of province ukrainian province of donuts and lou guns. and i'm very worried, but will happen now with the russian ethnic russian ukrainians in odessa. and even in don't naturally don't on the other side of the front line, i'm afraid there will be no holds barred to a political and it's the news i was going to propose addison. so i was going to talk to you about on the rice. i think i personally, i say you this year of rush issue there for kept on the line. no, no, no a natal membership and back to mince grievance. but that's what the rush hour decided. so what can i say?

well as which continues show are, these are pictures here from eastern ukraine. certainly some people are celebrating with, as you say, most of a nurse, you know that it takes 2 to tango. there are 2 sides to every story. we have had confirmation from the o. s. c, e, the violations of the men's record have been happening on both sides of the threshold bear. but you know, it does seem though that the people in these breakaway regions that basically stuck between a rock and a hard place to buy. i'm so absolutely. first of all, i have to say that in general i have worked for the odyssey myself in kosovo for several years. on the whole, no, it's taking a moment might be just, it's quite reliable. what they do, what they do, did they work on the different circumstances and it's not always 100 percent. so to say that the people there now and get at least at least some kind of relief between what fixed person again, rock and i'll place really that they might get under that. but in the long term,

i don't know if that is really the best way to to find a solution for the people there. this is not, you cannot compare this for example, that what happened to south augusta in georgia. it's a different situation. the thing is much more complex than that, and i personally, when you personally, although you have heard my previous comments and i write about it, i do defend the russian side, the solution argument because they are valid for me. but to say now that, that totally agree with the decision. well of course i'm just a commentator. i cannot, i cannot really say it, i do understand the feelings of the people there. but you have to look at the consequences of that decision. i'm afraid that this is not going to go quite well in the long term. so i'm going to put us let's, let's talk about the consequences of this decision. the russian president essentially signaling today that he would recognize autonomy in these break away

regions. let's talk about these consequences then, because obviously we're just showing some pictures. now, of some people celebrating their, it's about sized nearly 10 pm down in that region, but, but you know, who knows what they're going to go to bed to tonight. we've seen that we've seen a 400 percent increase in shelling going over the board. now. admittedly, the biggest increase has reportedly come from the ukranian side. i con, confirm are independent me, however, but these people, what are they going to go to, to bed to tonight? and you know, what are these penalties and consequences, loda that you, that you may not actually your christy, you said that now that russia is there not a miss present because miss independence. that's not exactly the same, right? or am i being confused here? i say, as we understand that the leech off is suggesting now that autonomy for the regions that would mean it wouldn't make it wouldn't make it russian or wouldn't make it ukrainian as i understand. but that's a, i did understand that 1st one i was listening of course, a listen to the similar danish english translation that he did recognize independence. but now that you said might mean autonomy,

maybe it's in the translator somewhere. well that's, that's, that's not exactly the same illegal term for adults in political terms. what it means is actually saying from president put, and we are going to do whatever needs to protect these people. that is basically what, what he's saying by such a statement. and on that level, i would say, i understand that he thinks that decision, but we need to clarify this because the independence and autonomy is not exactly the same. what about what about p s position on all of this? understandably keowee key, it might be frustrated with the russian president announcing it that he recognizes of no, to me for these break where republic something keith perhaps might say, how day you, you don't have a right well, actually on, if you look at it from, of, in done international legal perspective, of course, this is a country where a part of the country are being given a statute by another country. but basically of course, that it's normal that

a capital city government will protest and will not agree that's normal. but you have to look at what happened before. i mean, the president mentioned the whole history. what happened after 2 doesn't fall the orange revolution, or what happened in 2014 when they abolished da the language laws from the abolish the federal statute of crimea. those things are important to understand why this is happening, not from a legal point to her internationally. well, let's look at the violation of international law or by other countries. united states, not the name one. so international we should not forget, international law does have its value, but it's not like the law of a country with corks that can decide whether it's right or wrong. it's basically a political instrument. and on that issue after say to the ukrainian government now empower. i mean, let me, let me say stop here. i can give you an example of my own country belgium,

which is also some kind of a by national country. we have a kind of system that is, will completely complex. nobody understands, it's not even the button, but at least we have a functioning economy and we do not try to shoulder with weapons. so does, there are possible ways to solve this diplomatically so, and i think the minsky agreement, we're a good base of do that. but what happened d. f never even made the 1st up. it was mentioned before when a common data for isn't julian sky never did one step to implement the minced agreements, so they are to blame themselves a lot for what is happening now. lota, i've only got a moment left and i really appreciate your staying with us here at archie international last question to you would be theoretically if and now do you think you think war is off the table? well, i've said this before, a distrust not just an expert who gets for some kind of idea of what the future is

going to be. i don't know. i mean, the situation is very dense, but i really, i can only express my hope that it won't go that fall and any all the extra to say how did you see what happened in the mail in the me again, us where all these like to sit there going to back in this weekend, they're going to like this wednesday. it's ridiculous. so i'm not going to do that on the very serious issue as a war to, i'm not going to what i'm saying. i'm hoping even get loaded on the belgian political x by joining us live during this breaking news or an artsy international thanks for your time and insight. we appreciate it. thank you to thank you for joining us as well. here for this breaking news on off in to national monday evening, nearly 11 pm here on the russian capitalist ask you enter the 10 pm down in the break where eastern republics of ukraine, or the last guess load of news he raised a good question about it independence, is it all talk to me and i guess it's early days yet, you know, i guess the fine print will be spelled out for us. what are your initial thoughts

of what you've seen? you've seen celebrations down there. obviously it takes 2 to tango. we don't know what happens this evening in the break. we're public so they, they could wake up to a nasty hangover of shelling at 2 in the morning. so what might be, who knows, or just a nasty, hung over looking at those photos of puppy champagne. and 5 watts. no, i think you obviously right, this is such a confusing situation. i think reaction is also coming in. like i said, they can foster. we've already had a lot of the united states coming out. probably on surprisingly, the general consensus from the european blog is that this is a violation of international law. something i guess was just kind of debating. lots has in fact on even so far as to call on you to impose sanctions. straightaway i lithuania, says that this change of status don't not to be recognize. you have promised a strong reaction. what that's when we have some will be as yet to be seen. thoughts we've had time and time again that ever seemed to be on the table from

nordstrom to pipeline big shot off swift code cutting rush, often technology like chips and stuff that would probably be the biggest hit for russia the past. and we are waiting for reaction from is president salon sky. you'd think that one would have expected, maybe a statement already. i'm pairing himself here has most, i think coming out of key of yet. well, the only thing that we've got out of here is that he has spoken to president vitamin and in the law about the event, the last couple of hours, and that he will be speaking to boris johnson, boyce johnson has category. he said that this is again, a violation of international know i would very much suspect the president, and he agrees with him that probably and stuff and what to do next in terms of people who are supporting with so far we've had support from both se that yeah, and there. yeah, but you know, like you said, you looked at, they say she's missing it again, you got the one side maybe you're blocking us saying this is absolutely disgrace.