when we have some b as yet to be seen, thoughts we've had time and time again that ever seem to be on the table from no stream to pipeline things shut off. swift code, cutting rush, often technology like chips and stuff. i would probably be the biggest hit for russia, the pots, and we all waiting for reaction from is president salon sky. you think one would have expected maybe a statement already? i'm pairing himself. he has nothing coming out of key yet. well, the only thing that we've got out of here is that he has spoken to president biden and in the law about the events the last couple of hours and that he will be speaking to bar. as john's bars, johnson has categorically said that this is again, a violation of international know i would very much suspect the president, and he agrees with him that probably going to be discussing what to do next. in terms of people who are supporting so far, we've had support from both south and the real. but, you know, like i said, you know, can't they say she's missing it? again, we've got the one side, many european blocking us saying this is absolutely disgraceful. russia is wrong,

we thought so says like thought, it just shows you how far apart the 2 sides. you know, some people don't pass. it's a celebration. it's last time. it's 5 times. i'm looking to think it's probably been said, i'm sure that the russian people support me and very simple, i think on the last day or 2. so there are $68.00 santo russians support autonomy for the breakaway republic. so one hopes that they would, they would feel about to, but it just shows you again how differently the 2 sides see this. russia is anatomy for some, a friend to others. and speaking of enemy, what was, and this is something that we were talking about. we were writing down notes when people speaking in his address, he told that story about how back in 2000 he met with clinton. and he said it was at that meeting that i realized why russia would forever be an enemy to them. of what we did, that's listening lead. you don't want

to see friend and as an ally enough, but why do you want to make a nanny me out of us? the only answer that we got was it's not about our political regime or anything else. it just, they don't need such a big and independent country is russia. so that's the answer to all the question. that's the source of traditional american policy. they persue in the russian track . so for president putin, it's very clear, russia will forever be the one that ever points a finger out because it's independent because it's so big. and because if you look at it, it's neat especially it's, it's, it's powerful. but like i said, you know, this is just one side of what america things will be saying, don't people are saying something very different either way. this was, i think, a historic moment, especially for obviously the inhabitants of dunbar. and i think the, the pool out will be very quick and i think that we're going to start seeing the

ramifications of that moment where president putin sat down with the heads of the done yes, guns republic to sign that recognition to me. and i think that the patients that are going to be felt, i think it's going to create shock me. when we look legally speaking, putin can't do that. i mean, it doesn't affect these regions, does it? he's not legally allowed or legally able to essentially give these break way regions independence. so no, but i mean, what it will mean is that the bath region will feel supported. that means russia will be able to provide it with particular financial support. for example, maybe we'll start supplying some types of energy water. in fact, we did hear that the russian budget has plenty to help john boss. so i think that's the key element to help, but well, you know, we're going to see over the couple the next couple of days. what this actually means. we haven't seen the document. we don't know what it means. we don't know how closely it's going to be, you know, integrates or whatever. so i think this is still very much developing and i can get them to become care of the next couple of days. moment. i think we're just going to

let those that don't boss residence that off as many fireworks as they want. make a change from all terry. well, as you say, early days yet to ask you, let's say, let's go off to correspondence and find out even more cheers to ask. you see you soon? so western leaders happy now rather quick to condemn hooton's signing of a decree to recognise the dawn best republics. the british prime minister boss johnson has dismissed the move is a violation of international law. well, let's learn more or less starts while europe correspondence. so we've got a policy clear and berlin and shut it. it was dusty in london a very good evening to both of you, paula. first to you, what speed that you you response so far. well, no surprises there. there has been a lot of anger and a lot of frustration and a lot of the kind of statements and reaction we are expecting. we, the heads of european commission and european council have said that this recognition of the independence of luc guns and, and denise is a violation of international law. and at the same time,

a violation of ukraine's territorial integrity. the foreign ministers of sweden and democracy should statements reiterating this essentially saying it's a violation of international law. and at the same time we've heard from joseph baro, who is the high representative of the european union for foreign affairs and security policy, saying that this is a blatant violation of international law, territorial integrity and men's agreement. so no surprises there. he has also said that the european union and its partners will we act with an am quoting unity, firmness and determination, in solidarity with ukraine. now, earlier boldwood speak after a meeting of the you foreign ministers. and during that meeting, he said that was putin to go ahead with recognizing new guns into next. they would be a reaction that would include sanctions. he issued the same kind of warning to bela russia, saying that it would be sanctioned of any kind of attack against ukraine,

emanated from that territory. the e u ministers, also condemning what they called provocations by the provinces of la guns and, and it's saying that they are creating the pretext for military action. now it comes as all but one european embassy remains open in cave and operating. and the e is also announced that it will send expose to ukraine to provide training in the field of cyber. now we earlier did hear from joseph joseph borrow. we understand that the final decision has not been taken yet, and we call upon prison and put into respect international law on the minks agreements and expect him not to recognized in dependency of new hands. and our next of last. and we are ready to react with

a strong united front in case he should decide to lucel. now, france has convened an emergency meeting of the of its security council to discuss the latest developments while here in berlin. earlier on monday, the gym and talk to the shelf spoke with the russian president vladimir putin. and in that meeting, the german chancellor condemned any kind of russian plans to recognize, look on the continent and say that a contradiction the men's agreements. also on monday, the russian foreign minister, so galen rove, spoke with his german counterpart and blamed kit, say that here was responsible for the escalation above, also touching on berlin, discriminatory actions against archie. we've also heard from the canadian prime minister saying that canada and its allies will respond decisively is to quote,

russia violates territorial integrity. so that idea of territorial integrity coming through all the time. the united nation saying that they support claims territorial integrity. and we also heard earlier from the o. s t e, the organization for security and cooperation in europe. saying that if russia was to recognize the guns going to native, this would be a violation of the agreements. so a lot of reaction coming in all ready in the immediate wake of what president put and had to say during his televised speech. to paula, thanks very much about from berlin to london, shot over to you. what about what about the case reaction? well, quite frankly, the reaction from london from bars johnson is very similar to the rhetoric we were hearing, the responses in europe. horace johnson says this is a dark sign, a very ill omen, and proof that things are moving in the wrong direction. he says that this is

pretty much been in the worst way possible and that his decision essentially, again, is a violation of serenity of the ukrainian country as the playing breach of international diva bars. johnson's was, and it was really to be expected. if we look at all the rhetoric throughout the last few days, coming from a bar, as johnson even today, we had from the defense secretary ben wallace. and he said that if to, to was not to relent in any of these escalations, then the united kingdom would only have to react. so we're already hearing from bar, as johnson on the government that they are going to offer ukraine even more support . what that might look like, we don't yet know, we do know that bar johnson has previously threatened these sanctions against any individual entity that is aligned with the russian state. even our key was mentioned earlier today in the house of commons, but also in terms of troops on the ground to help you cry bars. something has long been promising and already thing troops moving forward into the region. he says

that the u. k. will think about what more it can do next. the u. k. will continue to do everything to step by the peoples of ukraine. so really, these is a reaction that would be pretty much expected from boris johnson considering all the rhetoric as i say, throughout the day. many of the british scape, the british media here in the u. k with whom is gearing up to this moment throughout the day saying that this was time ticking. moment the cock with only taking on by and this was really the 11th hour here in britain. this isn't really unexpected to hit these watson bars. johnson. no, i shot it. it was dusty there in london impala slayer in berlin. both of you. thank you. that's course life now to patrick hennings and geopolitical and listen, john list joining. i say with the rolling, rolling us breaking news coverage or to aussie international courtesy you to say today, patrick will tell us about the significance here of russia is recognition of don. don voss, independence. clearly, a lot of people saying right now that putin,

you can't legally do this, it doesn't actually have any effect for the breakaway regions. but, but what do you, what are your initial thoughts? my initial thoughts are this more likely was on the cards for us, maybe along a longer time than many people would, would have liked to admit. i even believe that, of course, despite the rhetoric that you're seeing out of washington in london, there are very much aware that this was a possibility, considering the fact that the minks accords. oh, really going nowhere for a very long time. so as is effectively a stalemate, and so i, i believe that all the activity and all the hysteria that you seen sense, maybe the beginning of december coming from the west was really an attempt to break this stalemate one way or the other, or force a some sort of a move to advance the situation a bit further and i've, i've always believed and i'm not alone, of course, that the west is always saw to obliterate the makes records. and certainly that was

a president poor shank owes of position in every turn to sabotage, to undermine it. and that more or less continued on to the current administration in kiev with present zalinski. so no effort really made to, to break that stalemate to advance things further and you know, the inevitable, inevitable result at the end of that always would have been some level of recognition or autonomy of for these people's republics. i've done yes. can look at these break away regions and so i think what, what we're really witnessing here it is historic. what's happened here but is really a president, putin and russian government has have effectively sprung the trap that the west had laid out by undermining the makes records of for so long. i'm talking about united states mainly and those pro u. s. in pro nato factions within ukraine. so all he,

all present putin did today really was kind of move the ball a little bit further down the pitch, moving the ball down, the pain patch it, but also getting a lot of reaction fast and furious. it is riding feathers around the world. a lot of people are kind of huffing and puffing over this bores johnson has rushed to condemn putin's move is a, a violation of international law, but perhaps he is right. well, you could, you can interpret it that way, but you know, when is international law ever been observed by, by the united states and its allies recently. and it's really a relative concept from a western point of view that we're into power politics. here. we're into the since you howard your politics. so yes, it's going to, it's going to elicit a massive reaction like with syria, kind of like in this to the october of 2015 when russia announced it would be entering the syrian conflict on the side of damascus. and really setting the pace

from that point forward that changed the trajectory of geo politics in the middle east. and certainly in the situation syria much you could have the same situation from today forward, but i think i don't think, i think all bets are off the present time. it's very difficult to say how this is going to play out. but certainly somebody believe that something needed to be done . now, because the situation, all the hysteria that we've seen over the last month or so with regards to the russian invasion and the announcements daily that are coming out, the crazy announcements coming out of washington in terms of intelligence lakes. it really does seem and all the weapons pouring into ukraine. it does seem like a very, very dangerous situation has been building up over the last 2 months. patrick, tele, total. so you had mentioned just, i guess you didn't get out of the western media and all this fear mongering over recent weeks and months. and, you know,

i think you already detrimental to people's health, to be perfectly honest with you the way they've been fanning the flames of war and, and, and reporting a pretty gorey stuff as well. told me though, about the western media here. because what about the coverage of law may prove that some of them are already calling this? with his recognition of the break, we republics, someone calling it a russian land grab. i suppose it could be it is da da putin in the russian obsession. it's, it's been ramping up in, especially in the united states. it's, it's taken on a whole sort of, partisan political characteristic to it, especially with donald trump's election. and so that's really baked in to the western psyche that everything about russia must be bad. vladimir putin, a sort of a blow fell tight character to the american mainstream media. it's almost like a comic book characterization, and then they talk about it on fox or m as in b. c or cnn. like it's

a sports basically sports commentary and they're coming up with the various leaks are coming out like the russian. russia has a kill list and they're planning a blitzkrieg to have and they're going to brutally shell the capital with 2800000 people. and the siege of cube and so forth. so they're painting these pictures. and i think the, the object of this propaganda onslaught by the western press in western itself to kind of somewhat keep the population on edge of an imminent russian invasion. and then they would likely run to the, to the west or accept more aid and help from united states get more involvement from nato member states in helping to bolster ukraine's defense and so forth. but more importantly, that propaganda is, is, is towards western audiences. in order to get some kind of a mandate that this is a good foreign policy direction to take to, to talk up a war with russia using ukraine. is this kind of neutral playing field or this,

this pitch. but you know, the reality is western politicians, and this might come as a, a sour note for some people, but they really don't care about the ukrainian people. i would say as much as they care about the iraqi people or the people of afghanistan is the crane. ukraine is really a means to an end in terms of nato, in, in terms of washington, in terms of great game, geo politics. so unfortunately that it is history bears out out in so many other different situations in other theaters in recent decades. patrick, you, you bring in, you bring it out. you to wait. like i said, as the other side of the atlantic, you're bringing that the u. s. angle here, i wanted to ask you if you would take us to washington dc. right now it's about quarter past 3, monday afternoon. what's biden doing his he in the situation room to getting an update. what he, what do you think? i couldn't tell you what joe biden's doing, that's any one's guess, but there is

a very big national security committee that surrounds joe biden. and so it probably numbering and up to, you know, a few 100 people, much the same as it was, or maybe even bigger than under president obama. but you know, the look at the spokespeople from this committee or the national security team lead by chic sullivan, who is under fire right now in terms of being implicated in durham report for with hillary clinton. and that campaign fabricating evidence of the so called length between donald trump and russia, all that's going on domestically at the same time, the media is very, i think, keen to project as much as possible on to the situation in ukraine. so a, but in this case, i think russia has initiated a series of events. certainly there's going to be calls in congress and the senate for punitive sanctions against russia. and they,

they've already been drawing up sanctioned list. the mother of all sanctions, preemptive sanctions. and so forth, but the reality is now that the situation is fundamentally different. now, as moscow is recognizing, the don, yes, can look gans but you know, it when you, when you, if you really want to take this debate backwards a little bit, you know, look at the situation and, and that is a sort of a state last that has never received full recognition internationally by all parties, and really is the result of what many would call inactive aggression by nato, in the heart of europe for 74 straight days of bombing by the united states under president bill clinton and that debate rages and the recognition issue continues to this day and diddo with crimea, if you want to talk about international recognition there. and so you, you've now extended this conversation to eastern ukraine to done yes. can the guns

. and so if you really fold it into the situation with crimea and consider these 2 things is very similar, a part of the same issue. they're born out of a situation that came from february in 2014 like this was a crew. ostensibly, it was a western back who you never hear this mentioned in by any western politician in their discourse by any mainstream media in the west. and so everything that resulted from that the last ration in eastern ukraine, the denying of parliamentary representation by russian speaking or certain political parties outlawing russian language, split of the orthodox church, effectively, ethnic cleansing. in some cases, i do say prejudice. this will happen, as you say, you know, in the wake of the 2014 my dad revolution. if i was saying just a short time ago during his speech that the m p 's in the ukranian, kiev duma who came in post. my don were essentially bought corrupt and criminal and

behavior. he said that essentially ukraine has become a colony of all puppets. what do you think, patrick? what do you think is going to come next? we've been showing pictures of people in the break we republic us celebrating, waiving russian flags doing fireworks to but then of course you've also got people who are deep in the trenches to where shelling has increased on both sides according to the o. s. c, e. by up to 400 times what, what, what happens next? what are, what are the people in that region going to bed to tonight to think, what are they going to wake up to? oh that's, that's really any one's guess some there could be some vociferous reactions are coming from the ukrainian side. as a result, i'm sure there's a lot of pressure from washington and pressure on key of on presence zalinski to do their bidding. this is always been the case, really since the beginning of his presidency. and so, and before that with present or shank. oh so you know, there's a lot of pressure put to bear on kiev. there's, there's also in ukraine,

you have an economic depression. it's a direct result of the hysteria whipped up in the west of a rush invasion the what they've lost economically as a result of the saw the campaign if you will this propaganda campaign. the west is the equivalent of economic sanctions against ukraine. that's the level of economic devastation has been wrought on the country you crank even present. zalinski is trying to convey this to the western of politicians and to the western press. so, i mean, they've already suffered badly by being used as a sort of football or nato. so no, i don't think it is the, the cost is already been born on, on key of, on economically. and so the question is, how much pressure and how many, how much are gifts of loans or financial aid or armaments, is, is the, is the united states. and it's nato allies going to be plying or ukraine with in

order to keep it in a certain orientation. visa ve the situation which has now come to this point with regards to done yeske in the guns. so that remains to be seen was early days yet patrick and, and, and there are, there are hopes that up put in am biden, might get together with a macro and broke it summit hopefully sometime the near future. so early days yet, patrick will see what happens, patrick henderson, a political analysts and journalist joining us. my fiance, always a pleasure. thanks very much. well, as we understand, our thousands are being evacuated to safety here in russia, as bombs continue to pound the don bass republics. and as we understand unprecedented numbers, not more than 15000 people have now died. since the start of the ukrainian conflicts, almost a quarter of the victims are civilians, more than 23000 have been injured and more than a 1000000 ukrainians and now displaced. we heard from some of those who have been living through the horrors of this war. would you have wanted this for your child?

would you? i also do on this for neither of my grandchildren. do you know that had been blown off before that parents eyes and we know how parents had that 3 children and a bathroom, and they all got blown up that you don't know, this must be thought of this situation started back in 2014 and then my son became disabled. my daughter in law died and one year old grandson received a head injury wearing. of course, we are now very, very afraid you will nursing of course you're in our village. there is constance shelling we decided to leave because a miss i landed at our apartment building entrance. there's such a tension here in the morning. there was an explosion again. we're going to russia running away from the shelling with my wife and our daughter and grand daughter, yesenia colors on bus. as i came here from dumbass together with my children yesterday, i was walking to work, but it's impossible so much showing you. if it's true, i don't want to come back, it's very dangerous there. i lived there and don't want to any more. he doesn't

know how that out. they say if they get to our territory to dont ask, no one will be left. they won't even spare children, they'll destroy every one floors. novela. they thought it was very scary. the shells were flying. i'm scared for my grandchildren and my children. they call us saying this heavy shelling. why are they shelling? i'm not afraid, but you couldn't leave me alone. i can barely walk. my wife is scared. she came on the heavy shelling. will you? i wouldn't have left. i stayed there in 2016. not leaving york. yeah. when you were here. yeah, i wouldn't have left. i'm not afraid of anything, it's all the same to me. i'm used to it. i was a soldier in the past. i'm used to it. but her now she's shaking, stuttering. really if i were healthy, i would have joined the militia. meanwhile, kiev says it is committed to the minced agreement. although at once certain

amendments made to the peace deal, it accuses russia of violating the agreement and blames russia for the current escalation. adding moscow attacked eastern ukraine to fabricate accusations against the ukrainian military. it just gets more and more murky by the moment. let's course live out was senior correspondent, morale garcia of his in don. yes. and don't know, quarter who did a temporary facility in russia for don bass. evacuees moved out 1st to you. it's all about half past 10 in the evening. now, what is the situation on the ground where you are all things a little quieter than they were the last time we spoke a few hours ago. nevertheless, there is still a lot of tension in his curfew. now the snow was out in the streets, but as vladimir putin declared rushes recognition that russia would recognize the breakaway provinces, regions of the nets. can legans cur, there were fireworks here which, which caused quite

a stir. i can't say it was the the right decision perhaps, but understandable people were afraid that this was a renewed round of shelling, understandable, given the rumble of artillery shelling, mortar rounds fooling on, vignettes can and the outskirts over the past few days, especially which is where the most, when the most dramatic escalation occurred, at some point, there was seconds between blocks that you could hear for coming from different directions. we. we saw this ourselves today when we went just a little had a half hour drive from than yet west towards the front lines, neural to report and to film the consequences. and dr. marquis, the fatal shelling there tuesday evening. the promise you ah, presented and tragic, happened here, just west of danielle city to shelves launched from the ukrainian side made ah

impact one there another created here and everywhere here you'll see bloodied bits of clothing. this is a ha minus outfit. he was on his way to a mine shaft where he works. this is one of the 2 shelves that landed here. again, we aren't going to spend very long here because there are still incoming shelves and exclusions the be here. i in close proximity, dramatic escalation that we have seen in the near, as i also said, has occurred across the entirety of the front lines in the trenches that snake their way along them. we know that in la ganske today, there was said a parrot saturation attempt to a car bombing, perhaps targeting elegance, official who was responsible for coordination in the seeds fire compliance office monitoring and compliance office. here in the breakaway republics, his cob you up,

he was injured. his driver also today, shell struck in logan's cup north i a power station depriving again thousands of electrical electricity at the time when it is cold. here it's badly needed here in the nets, a water pumping station was also struck to profit tens of thousands of access to water further south. we've also she reports of vicious battles, but there has been this destroy magic escalation. and what, what was this happened is people were evacuating people who feared the worst. they believe the rece escalation is it is allowed to continue a could result in a bull that is even worse than the one we saw in 2014, 2015. yes, this is to swish and i am now waiting to die. i think that if it all starts up again, i will be killed in deadly that but am ready to clean i nibble

a hot dog exams. the crane wasn't ready for the war with him. and now it's ready because it's received commodities from here and it will use them here in the matter of weeks, the situation. he has escalated to the point that we, we had the you when come out today and cool for an immediate cease fire saying that heavy weapons that have been deployed by both sides. and that shouldn't be within the, within the area of the front lines of the conflict. so to pull them back to remove them and to de escalate, to return to a, to a love that we've seen here over the past few years. nevertheless, it remains to be seen how rush was announcement that it is recognizing the self proclaimed republics, their independence or how that will affect the situation. because the situation is such that a huge number of troops along with him.