and for all the training that the c i is given them, it looks a little bit like the afghan army after the u. s. pulled out, it just disintegrated. so they're not fighting a very convincing fight right now. i don't see very many options. natal will not come to their aid. i think they realize that united states will not come to their military aid. it's a lot of rhetoric. it's a lot of hot air. but as far as the us getting involved or nato getting involved, it's not going to happen. negotiation seems to be the only option they have. but let's just go back in time here because we're still waiting on updated casualty figures for what's going on over the last 12 to 14 hours. the russian no difference ministry saying the casualties are non existent or minimal, the ukrainians are claiming there are more civilian casualties. but this conflict has been raging for 8 years now when we do know thousands of died in the east of ukraine because of shelling on both sides. yet that comment was largely ignored, largely put on the holes. why many western powers? why do you think that was put on the back burner?

not social approach to solve yet, as things have escalated now this is become the focus of attention. because as often happens, the u. s. foreign policy establishment believes its own rhetoric. it believes its own bumper stickers that somehow has this triumph list idea that after the u. s. back over. so in 2014, we've got this, this is our price. well, things don't work this way in the real world, and i think we're seeing realization now that this is the result of us interventionism us cause this problem. it doesn't means that we are sharing the military action right now. it's terrible. it's awful, but the fact is it could have been avoided if we had not overthrown and elected governments in ukraine and had not shipped a bunch of weapons. so hopefully the u. s. will change in foreign policy to be a more pro america foreign policy. that's certainly what i endorse. well, so we have time for today, daniel academy, executive director of their own pool institute for peace and prosperity. thanks for your time. it's that i, we appreciate you know, next thought, you know,

commentary brings you the stories of residence in the so called gray zone. that's the contact line between the newly recognized independent republics in the east of ukraine and cheer. we're back in half an hour with the very latest join us again here on our international in a gray zone. inhabitants have learned to sleep through the nighttime shilling and to live without the most basic utilities going for weeks without clean water or electricity. worst of all they've had to watch is the war creeps ever closer to

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a few humanitarian organizations is all that linked people living on the front lines of an under glad wall with the rest of the world dwelt in which there is no shelling and constant fear of a legacy. smart enough travels to the grey zone several times a week, and each trip helps hundreds of families to survive for communities. oh, you're so shocked. assume you know, i can be a little shocked by me, but i'm stopping wasn't pushy, particularly birth sex. let end of the lesson look in the 3rd phase here who, who claims another skill. we will show a move us in the position. there was to shift from you soon and as always to just for you it's getting to keep my skirt the people from south and i'm looking to launch rhythm machine your score,

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