right now, her rides her paula fleer there. thanks so much for that update on the latest european response, the russian military action in ukraine. well, as the headlines for this hour to join us again in 30 minutes for the very latest on that distressing and very difficult situation on the ground in ukraine, we're back to am moscow. ah, and i drink shaped banks, printers and those with theirs sinks. we dare to ask

in ah, i mean, ah, my master is ancy, we're going underground on ukraine's day of resistance to occupation of the autonomous republic of crimea in the city of so vast of all this at the end of a week in which british politicians have been seemingly attempting to interfere with the independent regulation of broadcasting by calling on you k p. m. bars. johnson. to shut down this channel effectively ending press freedom in the u. k. johnson. the former journalist himself claims the doing what the british labor

policy want him to do, would amount to be being as bad as russia, with nato nations in the u, condemning. russian president vladimir putin for authorizing what russia calls a special military operation against ukraine. after antony blinkin canceled his meeting with russian foreign minister counterpart, sergey lever of nature. nature media is talking about the whole new era and geo politics. let alone nuclear weapon use here in our t and had going underground. we seek the question more, as well as provide viewers with all sides of any debate. we have been reaching out to pro ukrainians to hear their side of the ukraine invasion, retain the current climate. many do not want to come on to talk to us. we like therefore, to extend an invite to any ukranian journalists or politicians watching now to come on the show and give your side of the story. but joining me now from moscow in italian irish at sky, the former vice chairman of the international affairs committee in the russian duma . thanks so much natalia for coming on. not sure how much a british media you're watching. i know you're appearing on on it sometimes. as you

might know, ne donation media has been broadcasting. views that vladimir putin has gone mad. and boris johnson has called on the russian people to overthrow what he says is a dictator. it well as the language of course. so for co, modern or western elite leaves much to be, you know, desired because even in the 19th century, the notes are to declare war sir, began was mad shit, more gentle and men long lea, a rockabilly air. well, i believe that i met t po, have expected, after the dismemberment of the soviet union that such huge geopolitics entity as was the historical russian state which grew in centuries and

came to actually broom with outer ward in centers would just be drafted as a 15 or new states and everything would be stable, et cetera. so this a few trial and obsolete paradigm all for democracy versus it'll tell italian as you good for them. i explain everything. but what about on my poor ukraine? why poor? because is the grace of my ancestors like it shows me. gov region and my grand to what father was before revolution director of a college in chattanooga and my grand grandfather was a priest orthodox priest in saint michael church insured and he got free j. so you understand how, how painful it is all for me, but you grin was composed of

a very different and even conflicting kluge. our population and parts are. that's history and vladimir putin in his address or to the nation, explained it or. busy not to say that she's not recognized. they said that just to explain why it, it had to explode because galli share hadn't shared the destiny. was also looks ukraine for 500 years because it was under poland. chairs are in 14th century, then under austro hungarians and then again as polish territory between 2 and world wars, et cetera. it hates russians. god then must collides for them. we moscow light and i am all some mixture of barbarian mon

walls. we said, ah, ah. busy such sins at while is a ukrainians there ariens we know and we have stolen the key of history and be something heritage. so and we are so huge and we have multiplied in the reached silly oh sions. so and z, these people, from golly shit could have become, what now russia ease. but for all that history, since 1945, the united nations was set up and the un secretary general antonio gutierrez said that recognizing don, yet andrew hands, the unilateral measures conflicted directly with the principles of the charter of the united nations. and that in for, if also said a name checked the international court of justice. i don't know whether for

a prosecutor of letting me bruton, if the un secretary general, who presumably has some of the history books there. if, if antonio gutierrez says this speaking for the un, then garage exaggeration is committed a crime, or by the way, international or hold of justice goes into a new one. it just gives legal assessment of a deed or over an, or an issue. or when the west bombed sober in yugoslavia signatory to the o. c. air documents and found father founding father of the united states. the states under the retakes that there were genocide against albanians. it was not an aggression. according to the western interpretation, it was

a humanitarian mission. wise, the west ignores the 80 years going civil war that keep started against the nest and nor ganske people who have been shelved for 8 years and civilians that thousands of them were killed in my house. now in moscow lives now a woman from logan's courage and whose house is think without windows yet, you know, and she is crying every day, et cetera. why is it? and in the recent, these preceding the act to her, of our president, the shelling exceeded any scale since their fights over the last airport. and there was real threat to the lives of people. and you know, and as you know, in the later in asia media,

all we hear about our people from their attacking ukraine. but you mentioned yugoslavia on this program we talk time and time again of alleged violations of the you and char, sir, by nato members. you mentioned yugoslavia there are, which is often alleged 2 wrongs make a right russia now acting like like the united states. russia. whoa. as far as co course or what is concerned, there was no referendum at all. and the west recognized course of a contrary to all the rules on to regulations of the laborers. random not let me, let me, let me just say another thing. this is only one as of what has happened already. another aspect is that the west was not sparing any effort to shrink. ah, the russian zone of our security. and with every step in this shrinking,

were accused more and more of the allegedly being so aggressive had said so we had to pay and to pay for our losses. this drink was compressed to the limit and mister putin and our government are warned in december. and they openly, ah, you know, declared the prince boz, which walt ow satisfy russia. exactly. in terms of its legitimate security. just imagine it, mexico is declining. jerry ha, america and government and rational starts supplying it with soviet union start supplying it with arms miss grosbeaks to from mexico to enters the warsaw pact. oh, the think, what is united states do any this case when all what 3 did during the caribbean,

crisis one cruise shelf and installed some rockets while next reaching the american territory. and we were on the green also nuclear war that we were waste enough. you know, to step back. so this link is considerably compressed as an image. it can only and, and clench. and that if we have to pay, that's my own opinion. you know, i'm not an as that erst estate function. i am just an expert. and besides her, my pastor's member of parliament for 1st of all, i am a historian and from the family renowned historians. i studied the international relations from each a still 20th century. ok, whether it's will, arguably, or galle the we have to re, if we're b let's it's better to bake for gains and not for losses. while arguably the united states, sir, i had to feed and live here with the mexican revolution in

a very different way. and obviously did occupy territory, but then why did vladimir putin say he wasn't going to invade and war were all the russian drills, military drills that occurred in belarus and in russia beforehand, while russian or even the foreign minister. so gay lover of all assuring every one there would be no invasion. was it just that particular nights shelling by ukraine, that is alleged that cause this invasion or had this been a plan for months and even years? russia was believing and understanding and seeing that obviously in the west to have a pretext not to i'm in the united states of course and maybe also britain because europe is now has no voice. it needed so much intensive ideas concepts

next year. so, oh, real long this, i've been to this according to our slo spangler asked me to have a pretext, not to answer, rush us demands in regard to security. in their situation. certainly spawn served or the aggravation of situation against the region which you grant performed. is actually to provo crash, it was clear. so if you want this now you have it because we had left no either wait out or wait with con to leave our people who beg rush and where are you? you know, without health. so just because just because you are provoked doesn't mean you need to respond to provocation. and you mentioned wrangler. i'd highly big hardly the

person or the flow that they will go into degredation of you earlier. i'm not sure enough, and that's a good one to to mention at this stage and the value narrative sky. i'll stop you there more from the former vice chairman of international affairs committee in the russian do. after this break, the former evil empire, standing up to the empire of life one vladimir putin was announcing his decision to you and d, potentiate ukraine's military infrastructure. he wasn't just resurrecting the close of the cold war and he made it clear that the, your us animosity never really on how hot and bloody but it's still gap. mm. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation,

let it be an arms race, his on offense bearing dramatic development only personally and going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk with welcome back. i'm still here with natalia nurture sky, the former vice chairman of the international affairs committee in the russian duma . the pro moscow line seems to be talking about as of battalions and neo nazis. what do you think about presidents zalinski saying you are told we are nazis, but can people subordinate is that gave more than 8000000 lives to the victory over an autism? how can i be a nazi tell my grandpa, who went through the whole war in the infantry of the soviet army and died as a colonel in independence ukraine. that's what sir lensky says. all i, i read, i read the address of the landscape. it's it teaches that he never said

it 5 years ago when nase is poor. trish who are carried to long streets of keys with torches and glorifying the hitler. we're henchmen, there are screenings, review done sure that it in countries here in the media, nato nation, countries and, and be there information picture in europe is totally different from ours. that's why we do not understand each other, you know, because the, even to glue they are glorifying or been there, that may be the case as well as you see it. they deny that. and in fact, they continuously. and boris johnson and statement comparing the invasion do sedating land implicitly referencing hitler,

and we hear the ukrainians continually comparing vladimir putin to hitler. what do you think the russian people, russian politicians rushing to leads and the ordinary russians think when they are being compared to hitler and the nazis routinely now in the united states and in western europe? well, of course we're now this illusion about the west, but you know, the west, hence all were deuced it, sir. you know, nick jewelers and towers russian. some 20 years ago. russians who were sensitive to what was said about to russia and its leadership in the west. now they couldn't care less anymore because they don't trust the west. they see that no matter how we behave, we are barbaric. you know, blanket is exact of world history for them and they are,

they cannot stand that we are still wiring and especially they are so hysterical. i mean, in the worst that russia, which all its program semi colon than me and not them enough for, you know, income per, per capita still is zoom lanesha. the only people and the on the leadership whose national state will is equal to cumulative. who will of the whole west and death happens again when hitler conquered their whole europe, because they were afraid of collateral damage because they couldn't risk as they are comfortable live. and it was only a rush in the form of soviet union, which declared better grieve than sleeve. and to chris in a glove,

and now it repeats the western out hill sort of organized in munich and munich, acord again, 22, or he and all what they can use. thankfully, we have enough arms so that they never, there are against russia. but after each munich, there is new bank, russian. people are now support very much, you know, how much of all protest i sent them. and so russian, there are a lot of pro to sentiments on in russia. i'm enduring goals is years and no, no, it's not very calm, you know, society, but 90 percent of all these protests are, are not liberal, but they blame the government, the leadership that it's indecisive and it doesn't answer the way it should, you know, how much put in russia really grand, if he is with you,

is that he is greater to a russian or people in the ukraine that he doesn't defend them, et cetera. now they said, oh oh, oh, find the lick frying they live. that's real answer to all these are to ross if this again and finally, after 8 years of this war. but the, the u. k. daily mail, which i think is involved in a court case with for prince harry actually hearing written. they report that 150 senior russian officials of signed an open letter calling the invasion, an unprecedented atrocity. how stable is the russian federation? now the decision has been taken to invade you mentioned how many, 150 senior russian officials probably they're working in the banks and their children. study in london,

oxford or hanging he yard sir. a canary is et cetera. and to teach to people who we are millions who support and think differently. so you claim that the russian peebles aboard vladimir putin in the russian dumas decision, even though the un secretary general serve the principles of the un charter, a norton a la carte menu. oh, very elegant, very aga elegant sir, and your phrasing, but it has nothing to do with reality. does nothing to do well. i swear, and i feel that it was not russia's choice to lead the situation to such a scale that she had to interfere. and i'm sure if you, crean is more sober, if the united states talk sponsoring, can't,

endorsing all are also for being actions. search in from kia source, kia for, with regard to people ordones, continental ganske. this san operation would like surgical operation would end. when are their lives in your were see cute and and her nothing more. nobody has a desire to occupy ukraine. we've had a surgical strike some. the language being used by the russian side is like the language nato used in the rog, libya, syria in afghanistan, arguably. again, gutierrez said they are not peacekeepers at all. how can they be peacekeepers if civilians ukrainian civilians are dying? ukrainian civilians are not dying wage and we're reports of civilians dead. and how can any one trust what comes out of the kremlin given they said they were just

drills over the past few weeks that he wouldn't invade that. he wasn't going to threaten care f o you say that you are not trusting call. you again says not to asking and thank to not independent source of news. so what comes from our country. but so are your so soon reliable after colin powell, you know, showed, or corn starch in glass, saying that this is explosives and iraq? yes. but, but even her all sources are saying that this happened that an invasion has happened. but is masika doing what moscow has been accusing washington of doing all through the so called cold war? well, i, moscow is becoming washington only in laundry. spect that it clearly

declares off its national interest and will never used such sure, you know, faker, et cetera. and moscow was all plain when in december, it sent to the united states and nato, its concerns. it's a list of concerns are with points which are of crucial importance for and we're, we're waited for 2 months. so the same if keith would be sober and decided to or relax the situation. now i think would have happened like, what is happening to day, you know, and now, like washington coord, lead yogi, or jewelry in english, or non liter to you. what are is entitled to jupiter is not entitled to their boot

. it's oh, we're allman layton, crows, herb. and, oh, it's it. only arrogant, live her room is an empire too. i've got to ask you, do you think diplomacy? and obviously, washington denies any wrong doing in all its foreign operations since 1945 perhaps . will there be diplomacy? now to end the current violence i think, or declaw massey is always needed until it be erroneous to say or when our bombs siren exploding. diplomacy is closed? no, no, i am sure and to i, i would love to hear that there are some diplomatic steps to to discuss what is happening and what is her position and shooting of each of the parties concerned her landscape as diplomacy is over. he fond vladimir putin, the result was silence. well,

president zalinski ha. oh god with him. he is not doing some church in it. but why? why did vladimir but did not speak to president zalinski before the invasion began? because zalinski declares that russia is it more country aggressor long before you know, many years ago in the continues to say so. yeah. while i, they buy a lot of coal from marcella of schwartz enjoy of gas. so. busy for, you know, salmon to concrete, it's ok because there are no construction materials for lack, always in nash, my step kind to ukraine, et cetera. you know, the, our amount to for our tree to was, ukraine is enormous. you know,

is enormous. ukraine could flourish between russia and the west. when i say with 1000000 you cows milking to girls, you know, because each party, i mean, rush and the westwood new know, earning a pamper ukraine to gain more attention and ukraine could, could flourish. but no, no, the, no, galle shania and been there a man who could not be satisfied with and a vague no impulse and to communist nomenklatura are 2. 19 the power to rit immediately took it. the banners of calisha philosophy, you know, and her. then it's like a snowball. you're only our aggravated and i will always a neighbor. countries on nato countries deny only wrong doing. they say the blame

squarely with russia and her so does her so. so does it come from key of natalia and erica? sire, thank you so much. that's over the show will be back on monday. what would it be in the $76.00 murder? one of tony blair's foreign secretary robyn cook, who, infamously resigned his position in parliament to protest the iraq war, which would kill name or displace tens of millions until then keep in touch wireless social media. let us know of your a ukrainian we'd like to come on this show to give us your side of the green invasion. ah. all those driven by dreamers shaped bankers and of those with

theirs sinks. we dare to ask in a yeah. a with, with us, the for katie

with the kremlin, says ukraine is refusing to negotiate, and the military operation will continue while advisor to ukraine's president says, give, is not satisfied with the conditions. russia is offering for peace talks that you has decided to disconnect some russian banks from swift system as well as freeze assets of the russian central bank a source in russia's defense ministry. it rejects allegations that the military hit a residential tower block in ukraine's capital with both sides blaming each other. meanwhile, artillery and gunfire is reported in the city this kindergarten in one of the next districts is just one of the.