me, does it remind you of something, doesn't it? indeed, very clear parallels. could be drawn with the beginning of the 2nd will law to. it was chosen by someone who is right now sitting in the bunker. we know what happened with the person who sat in the bunker in berlin in may 1945 rather heated words from the ukrainian representative. now, the russian representative and permanent ambassador and a benzo, he was able to take the floor and refute some of the allegations being hurled at russia. now when the ben z a took to the floor, he talked about how it seems that a lot of fake news has flooded international media. there have been a lot of clips from libya, from syria, from video games, reporting to be from ukraine showing atrocities committed by russia. and it seems

like a lot of deception has been carried out and that this is very, very key in building the case against russia as russia takes what it feels is a very necessary security operation. this is what the russian representative said in response speaking after the ukranian envoy thing uses you will lose and you look 1st of all direct on love between here and the don base with me did. she did not put, however, this lenient, more confirmation by the country leadership that ukraine is not ready for some dialogue for taking the grant on base social status is provided for by the minister agreements. in the end, this convinced that we simply have no right to make the residence of don bay further to report to me. now the russian representative pointed out that for 8 years, the peoples of lugens and done as have been bombarded and that the shelling has continued. the food blockade is continued. but yet, the men's agreement remains on implemented and that russia felt it was necessary to

protect the peoples of the eastern regions. they also felt concerns about nato and their expansion. now, this is a meeting of the un general assembly. so every member state will have the opportunity to address the meeting if they so choose a number of countries are expected to get up and speak before the un general assembly hall. and then it's important to note that it's not only russia that has recognized the people's republic of don ask and lu gun. there is also been recognition from venezuela, from nicaragua, from on and from other countries around the world. cuba has recognized them so because of that, because of that we may hear more countries speaking up and refuting the allegations being hurled at russia and speaking against this resolution that's been put forward by the united states. so it could be a very, very long meeting in the un general assembly hall, but russia has had an opportunity to speak already. ukraine has had their opportunity to speak. the representative of the european union has spoken,

and many countries are going to take the floor and speak. and what is likely to be a very long meeting at the un general assembly hall today. or i will take us through it. when we get more on it, when it gets under way and continues, caleb opens and now across the un general assembly new york. thank you. and that is the latest for moscow so far this monday. thank you for watching this. will these additional t c dot com as the latest for you? 247 as well. for now, good evening. ah, ah. hello and welcome to cross stopper. all things are considered. i'm funeral about. we're told russia special military operation in ukraine is to demilitarize and d,

not by the country. negotiations are likely to start soon. what kind of ukraine can we expect after the special military operation has come to an end? ah, discussed these issues and more i'm joined by my guess. patrick hennington in plymouth is the editor in boundaries 21st century wire dot com. and in budapest we have towards semi ali. he is a podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen crossed up rules and effect, that means you can jump in any time you want and i was appreciated. i was going to patrick 1st year. i don't know, let's look at the reasons why i couldn't decide on this special military operation in ukraine. the 2 issues that he focused most on only on actually is demilitarization and di notification. the 1st one seems quite obvious that the, the russians don't want to have offensive weaponry. with the backing of nato

pointed at russia, but also discussed the steel classification because i have seen no talk about it in western media. first demilitarization the need denotes vacation, go ahead, patrick, you're in and out. we can't leave out. also, the humanitarian aspect of it and securing danielle and lou dance are which they recognize. but to the point of demilitarization. oh yeah. you have to look at this in frame it properly. this is a proxy war. this is russia versus nato, and nato in states are using ukraine as a proxy. they're pumping weapons and we've seen this before. i personally witness this and syria myself on the ground. so i know exactly what happens when that takes place, so it's a proxy war, and the weapon shipments are being amped up right now. germany is also going to be sending lethal aid. there's other countries as well. that was trail. yeah, i believe as well. so i mean, we know how that's going to end up over time. if this is a protracted, a fair. so,

but the d notification element is really important because that is a completely omitted from the western narrative. and it has been for a long time, the west, always back radicals. they back radicals in the middle east. they back radicals in ukraine, unfortunately from world war 2 to the present. and this is a very complex political analysis that no one will ever undertake in the, in the mainstream media, nor will they ever mentioned it. no politician will ever mention it as well. in the united states knew exactly where the fault lines were, and they aggravated those time and time again in order to manipulate the political situation in ukraine. and most notably, when victoria newland and her team were over there during the obama ministration. this is when it really inflamed and they really went for the kill as it were in terms of backing up a violent coup in 2014. and at that point, it,

ukraine seems to be a liberal democracy because a liberal democracy means that you can have people from different ethnic groups and they have equal representation under the law. so at that point, you could argue that, you know, from the 2014 my don to back to by the united states and the u as well. and nato member states. then ukraine becomes a failed state. at that point, when you deploy the military, basically to attempt to ethnically cleanse or to put down a rebellion based on race or ethnic origin at that point. and then you lose control of parts of your country for similar reasons. politically, like in the crimea, you're a failed state, technically at that point, and it's only a matter of time before you continue to come apart at the seams domestically or your neighbors will help in that process as well. this is not exclusive to ukraine and russia in this sense, this is really all over the world throughout history,

or at least the history of the post, what's fallen nation state era. so i don't see this as a surprise, but there's no context to background to coo, none of it. and the fact that the makes records were completely sabotaged from us for 78 years is never mentioned, no context, no background, no history, nothing. all you get is this is flatter, more potent and he's the next hitler. and if this is the sudetenland, that's all you get right now in the western media and by politicians. and it's just incredibly arrogant and incredibly manipulative. and i would say really shameful. have the treatment, this is getting especially from western politicians who are a grand standing right now, pointing the finger wagging the finger and the media that will not allow any, any context. george, i know patrick said a lot there. you want to add to it,

go ahead. you always get the short end of this thing is i go to you 2nd, go ahead. i think back with what i want to add to what actually said is that because the, essentially, the obama team is now in how this may have accelerated for the russian thinking. because, you know, after all, these other people who engineer that, who in my down and so when they came to power, they immediately began to talk about the ukraine in georgia and the door to nato being open. and given also that the, the arms that were boring into your brain. so from the russians perspective, they was now very concerned that ukraine may try to settle the issues once and for all in the southeast by

a croatian operation, storm dive, offensive. be a lightning strike. and try to drive out the the people of the don't have a much is a $995.00. that's something that might have been in the works. and i think because the list, both my ukraine government has actually been in cahoots with the democrats. i mean, to remember they helped themselves involved in the 2016 election by the backing of hillary clinton and they got themselves involved in the 2020 election, you know, in the way with the home to buy them. and all. busy the, what we knew about the original thing, and then you know, we have the qu again, you know, you brainstorm involved in the trash. so this next is of because they both

might down here. and the return of the sort of essentially, the obama biden team may have triggered the russians thinking we need to act now because, you know, 23 is it may well be too late. and i think that, you know, in terms of your question, one of the russians, what russians will not tolerate, and then they will not tolerate, essentially, an end to russia on that borders. i mean, this, this is one of this all is just being created as a kind of nato proxy onto that. is that he's driven by nothing else but animals toward russia. you know, patrick and we, we look at ukraine, particularly since the end of the soviet union, 2014 they, we had this kind of neo nazi element. i mean, those that know the story is kind of deletion. i'm very reasonable, big on mindset. but it was a minority experience and then the,

my don amplified it and actually replace this with deletion my mindset replace. what was there before? and i think that that, that for me is one of the great disappointments of coverage of, of ukraine in the media. because you had a before you had a wide, very, very wide variety of opinions about politics. we had the party regions, the biggest part of the country was banned. we $1041.00 of the largest parties in the country was a communist, but it was banned. so when, when they did was a, they can find what they call discourse and participation. and of course, people in the don bass were excluded, they were disenfranchised. actually walk a did, and the government underwater shake though, killed up to 15000 of them. again. not much coverage in the media. yeah, and i watched, you know when you watch the un general assembly addressed by the cranium vassar to the un. i mean is just completely twisted in actual,

outright lies being told on the floor of the un. we see this from western officials . so everything you said is important. i would argue as well that i think the radical, neo nazi on and still is a minority. but it's, it's a very, it's a very powerful minority and being able to have sort of st politics as it were. being able to be an enforce politics on the street standing outside of the parliament, throwing politicians into bins, all happen. and then the legalized discrimination of certain people, ethnic groups, outlawing the russian language. you know, in terms of a democracy, you know, ukraine, you can't really call it or compare it to a western liberal democracy by any stretch of the imagination. so also they have a wild corruption problem and by the way, the united states politicians, some of them did very well out of that corrupt atmosphere, including the current president joe biden. and his son hunter made an absolute

fortune and took advantage of that corruption. and it's just unbelievable that's not even allowed to be spoken of in the western media and in political circles. so you can see this whole conversation is completely tilted in one direction. and i don't think that if i don't think you're going to information landscapes in the west and in russia are so different. and this is no, it's not surprised why the 2 sides will not be able to understand each other in terms of the public. maybe some politicians understand, but i will tell you, even members of congress in the senate are completely clueless about geography, about history, even about what happened in february of 2014. they have no idea because they get their history from c n, n from m s m, b c from the new york times from people like friedman, and the sort of columnist. so you the congress, that this is very dangerous because you're not going to be able to come to any kind of really sober negotiation position because we're gas lead even at the highest

levels of us tall, political establishment and britain as well. so it's, this is a very, in that sense, it's very, very dangerous. the media plays in absolutely central role in making sure that this chaos is going to continue because they will not, will not speak or publish or report the truth of what's really happening on the ground and put it into context. as i said before, you know, charge all this was by predictable, sadly in all you have to do is go back to 2007 at the munich security conference and put in famous speech there. i mean, again, those of us been watching what's been going on, you know about these things. but if you get a cursory review of western media that's exhibit never happen. but if you go back and read that speech, you can understand what's happening today or, well, this is the same, but so ever since a, the, the cold war ended, the russians have had the better arguments upset. oh, you know, you,

you invaded iraq. that was a legal you violate of the un charter, you violated the un security council resolution. you bumped the violation of the you and job. you even violated the nato job. and you know, you know, julian, a sorry you're in prison. somebody who believes in freedom of speech is providing information about government war. very good arguments, excellent arguments and later just simply looking, you know, okay, we have the gun, we have the power, you know, fine, you can make your good arguments. and i think this is what suddenly has happened is that russia has taken a leave out of the united states and they don't, why we don't argue anymore. you know, you can make all your legalistic arguments about international law, the un job, which is going to do what's in our national and i want, i want you to hold that thought and i want you to finish that. we go up, come back or a break. so i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break and that's our break. we'll continue our discussion some brilliant, stay with our oh,

a welcome back to cross stuff. we're all things are considered. i'm pete a little. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news . ah again is go back to georgia in budapest, georgia, unfortunately, and interrupt you to go to a break. you were making a fabulous point about some kind of, i would say legal nihilism. go right ahead. well, that's right. i mean, russia really have to get out of the prison that it was actually getting itself locked into, you know, with essentially nato's expansion into opposite. 1 of eastern europe and then into the course of the,

to the far east. and this is an ongoing thing that was never going to stop. and again, it would make all the rushes make all these points as i'm saying, oh yeah, but you promise there's a, you know, you talk about the rules based on the international assign, excellent arguments in the internet and nobody can, because you don't have to do for russia to reemerge is a great book to bring to an end, the imprisonment that nato planned for it. it had to do something drastic. it was painful. and you know, there's not much less pain involved. but russia now made his mark on the well, then russia has now, bush nature out of it. you know it's kona, and you know, the nature of ours, they can go to the united nations and they can make all the features about the, you know, you violate the un charter. this is international law. you are, you know, frankly small countries and sounds great speeches. all the speeches,

the russians have been making 30 years, but i think you can go about it. and i think that's why, you know, the western power a so grieved that they are now suddenly the position of the russians have been for the past 30 years. well, it's kind of interesting. georgia, you always hear this, are you the russians only understand force? well, maybe understand force now, isn't it? of course everyone 2 or 3 days later, you know, thanks every else so much courage out there. so it's really embarrassing. ok. it shows and they tell us a paper tiger really? that's all it is. ok. i was going to be sending out. no, they don't. doesn't have any arms. member state countries do. they don't, doesn't have anything. it that's a lot of paper clips. ok. patrick was former president to me dream and bit of came out on the last new cycle. i think it's something really quite remarkable, and it's not again, not getting any kind of traction. and i'm quoting from the r t website for final review of russia's relations with the west. now possible. i think that's really

fundamentally very important and it's kind of details of what georgia to say is it, you know, you, you want everyone to play in your organizations and play by your rules and it always works to your disadvantage. so why play in these organizations? i know that this for a very long time is a very radical position, even among some russians. ok. but i mean, if you're always going to be a 2nd class citizen in someone else's organization about their values, whatever they are, what you have never been able to figure out. ok. it's time for a clean break. i think i'm, i, i don't like how we got here. i'm very distressed by what's going on right now. but there are certain, there seems to be a certain inevitability. if russia wants to maintain that some sovereign destiny, go ahead. patrick, this is the difficult part in this kind of the paradox of the kind of world order, is that, you know, it has been a unipolar, a world order with united states. clearly, the most powerful country militarily,

economically and politically, says, especially since the end of the cold war, the fall of the iron curtain. so, but the irony is weaker countries, even the 2nd tier below that, russia, or even china and in the sense still work through the multi lateral institutions like the un because they, they have no other option. they have to work to gain consensus with other countries . and rushes always are very dylan about working through these organizations. they, they have been, you can hear the rhetoric from survey lever off to very normative behavior. russia very predictable in that sense. there's no secrets, they're very clear about what their intentions are and so forth. but that doesn't, that set of rules doesn't apply obviously to the u. s. and its allies, especially when they're unilateral action is taken by the u. s. and its allies just basically barrel and behind them. and whether it's through nato,

or with britain in iraq or, and things like this. so that's, that, that's the problem is. so russians really believe in their diplomats are very good and they, but i do believe they believe in these institutions. but will these institutions love them back if they play by the rules and will international law b, r, l and international law? let's face it. it's a relative concept. especially for the united states. it only believes in international law, so long as it's convenient or to whatever ends it's pursuing. the dumbass is a perfect example. you know, if you go by the, the letter of the un charter and they have fulfilled most of the requirements for declaring independence. and it's not against international law for russia to recognize them or members of russian parliament to vote to recognize them. they and the west made a huge blunder they sanctioned, they sanctioned russia and russian parliamentarians and everybody else. just for

recognizing don yes, can look guns. that's not a breach of international law. they're allowed to recognize who they like. but what's the real question is do they qualify for statehood as it were, or at least some interim independent tests? and they absolutely do, especially if you look at what's happened over the last 8 years, that's completely been brushed on the right. the people that dumbass have been canceled by the west. 4000000 people have been cancelled. they don't exist, they've the platforms, there's their de humanized, they don't exist. and i think that's a big argument, that ambassador and ben's us trying to make on the, for the un in recent days. so, are we going to get past this situation? it's very, very difficult. no charge is much as rushes line at the moment due to its operations . and i would say the larger picture is we take a step back, is that the post cold war?

so security architecture collapse, it collapse and this is what we get from it. ok? it was you can see it was a fully implemented and it had only select members of the international community. you know what i mean by that? there are security isn't staying and no one else is. and i think this is what we the results of what we see right now. and ukraine is the collapse of a system that the west forced upon the rest of the world and its collapse. and we are in new, i don't know what to call you, and i've talked about this before, but we're in a new era, right? go ahead. we are in a new era and the rumble. with the see in here, this is the rubble of nature, infrastructure. and other options of also made clear that if you now respond by building up your national infrastructure on our board is in the baltic states of poland and romania. we're going to read that rumble as well. so i'm going to

tolerate you building up essentially a neighborhood as a launching pad for an innovation, as we speak right now. what is what you have to lose in doing that? nothing. there's no nothing. so that's exactly the worst response was disastrous response to the west. may ok, but if you go to the larger point, there's a question that not only does the west enjoy in almost a, i think we can see it enjoys enormous economic and financial by with all the talk about where we're going to throw russians for reference. well, it's not a very good system when i, you know, one group of countries can simply throw other countries of a system which prevents them from making a living. and i think we'll turn a tips this way, which obviously in preparation to how extensive they are, but you know, they were going to be quite expensive. ok,

i think other countries will be very happy. we've seen how the united states, as use economic out again in violation of all of the united states does resolutions use the 2nd on how to go small a week, a countries to comply with its political desires. so russia is, for all the talk about russia, isolated russia, as i say, to russia. isolated as far as the west is far as much of the rest of the world is on thing. first of all, russia has reasonable security interest that i think it's absolute madness when they tried to surround it in the way it was bound to respond. well, they also think this is very good that the role of global financial economic system is being created. that gives us a much more leverage than we have this know, which is why india did not condemn a russia. so we now have, you know, it at the united nations, but india and china, the 2 most popular centers in the,

well, they did not condemn russia. you know, we have countries in latin america, but sympathetic. the russians are many countries of the world, the sympathetic because they got the short end of the se during the, the, the post cold war era of western dominance. in speaking of swiss, patrick, it's very interesting. the more they want, the more they fiddle with swift, the more they fiddle with the dominance of the u. s. dollar. this is say self loans, because once you have an alternative system in georgia is absolutely right. i've heard various things coming out of china there. 50 percent 90 percent prepare. i've heard why the different it does in fact exist. and now there's a reason for people to be interested into it because it's a swift is going to be a politicized organization and the dollar is going to be politicized. people walk away from it, it's a headache because the most powerful thing i guess you can do right now is sanction somebody when you do when there's a favorite sanction people find in the alternative here. and as far as you know,

this with system and drawing rush out of it, the biggest, the biggest losers will be europe. ok. and the, all the victory, all right now and i'm breastfeeding industry still needs energy. ok if you can pay the bill, you're not going to get it after you listen to us on in right now it's amazing on all the networks are saying, you know, we need to cut off europe from russian gas and oil like so. we need to stick it to the, to the, the germans. the germans need to get into line with, you know, they need to buy gas from us. like they can ship l n g over and meet the german base load for power and heating of 40 percent of it comes by pipeline from the mall pipe or the on the pipeline and also north stream one. and so they, it's, it's the kind of a ridiculous world view in america there. so detached from reality, what happens of russia turns off the gas to europe, what then they're going to want world war 3 at the west will be going to what,

what happens? it, russia isn't allowed to process it's name, and so i mean what, what it is yet when you can't put, when you can't do commerce on the high seas there sees they seized a believe, sees to ship in the english channel yesterday that they believe was under sanctions, i mean this is very dangerous because if you look at the series of events in history, they have preceded worse like world war to look what japan was pushed into a corner in much the same way and with sanctions and all the rest of it couldn't buyers so or get, get access to markets or fuel. and then pearl harbor happens after that. so i'm not saying that will happen in this case. but i am saying this is a, these are all the tell tale signs for a prelude to a wider war. i think people, there are people in the west there, so reckless they don't care where this ends up. and this is a problem that's, that's where we stand gentlemen in person going to be watching my guess. and in budapest, where i think we're still watching as iraq needs see, an ex family member. oh,

a tonight, russia, ukraine. peace dogs conclude on the fellow's border with the criminal delegation chief. hopeful that common positions could be the next run into go see ation to set for the polish border in the coming days. ukraine, 2nd largest city, how to color is now at the center of fighting with a huge explosion reported and numerous claims of st. battles with russian troops. the you and i'm says, hundreds of millions of euro's worth of support for you. craig, including high calibre as switzerland joined europe, sanctions now against russia. however, nato says kia his membership of the military block is not currently on the agenda. and the he you close its, its air space to rush and flight.