ah ah day, ah, time action returns in your watching going undergrad has nations around the world continue to react and punish russia over its invasion of ukraine in violation of the un charter. but if the un secretary general was convinced that moscow had violated international law, why when joe biden arguably watered down the condemnation of russia for so called chapter 6, violation seeking peace, did not just china and the u. e, but the world so called biggest democracy,

india failed to support washington. joining me now as a meritus professor of strategic studies at new delhi center of a policy research, rama celine. thank you so much for visiting me for coming on. what have you made it for? putins, violation of the you had charge and why have you said india will not be able to escape the largest or the larger strategic ramifications of the ukraine war? oh, 1st. what's happening? is it or to ship moment in international relations? this mark statement of a new cold war was ramifications. will extend clear re cornel the world, the russian invasion of ukraine under sanctions sentence. reprisals of yosemite eyes are component of national crisis because the politics was already quite lucky in for the russian ambition. but things have become tragic and all the time since a nation began. and the cutting prices have the makings of have grown out and

dangerous confrontation between russia and the west, particularly nato. and as we all know, the crisis is already affecting the global economy. with high energy prices and supply chain destructions said to fuel inflation and it's low economic growth and india cannot skip these medications. and of course, the larger issue is that the rest is snapping. it's post war ties with moscow despite the risk of meeting st. pick instability globally. in fact, the live response appeals in that affecting regime change in moscow eventually. so this is the critical moment, the national relations, and i think they have been miscalculations both by president gotten and also by the western block. well, i think nato countries surely say miscalculations will be made in deli why when

albania, in the united states had the chapter 7 motion water down to chapter 6. did. did prime minister moody say he wouldn't supported? why did they not supported when there's a time of war? and certainly here the view is that any refusal to vote with washington and nato prolongs the misery of ordinary ukrainians. what would be achieved by condemning russia and damming a country for the sake of condemning it doesn't advance foreign policy interest yet never. and even the boss can then i states for reading iraq or libya or any other country, condemnation is part of in different se, in any case, russia and the united states are both close friends of india to

walk into medic tightrope. that's to do a balancing act which were becoming, making me difficult given the fact that what you're seeing is that front of a nuclear wall that's going to seriously compound in just strictly the challenges also affect its close defense stage of it. moscow, for example, given the financial tension said the vestos in both in russia hobbling yet be with the weapons that buys from russia. there's just one or many things. it is also investing in russian oil and gas sector plants to invest in the russian far east power these plans truck defy given these mounting sanction. second, it's russia. so for india, this is, the crisis really is complicating it's diplomacy. and

also it's pursuit of long terms, criticism chris, complicating it or speeding up the adoption by india, of alternative methods of financing. as opposed to say the brussels based swift system and others. now, india can use new methods of financing, often discussed in bricks meetings, shang i cooperation, organization meetings, non align, move would meetings, so many trans national meetings that have occurred over the past. what 50 years? 70 since world war 2. you asked me right. and i think by eliminating the system of weaponized thing and energy pipeline, and by cutting rochelle off from western institutions,

the us is actually undermining those wedding institutions because countries will be forced to true alternatives or develop alternatives. so russia example will have to trade in rebel and rupee as it did bring the solid times. so any guidance situation well, have to be met with innovative methods. so i don't expect the russia and the relationship to snap because of the financial fractions, require a lot of work, both in utility and must go to maintain in relationship that as to why, for so many decades. in fact, as it has solidified,

despite the profound changes in the world, in the past half a century, that relationship has been seen in new delhi as a relationship where they cried in test a trend. but at the same time, in i says, has also become increasingly important to india. so how does india balance 2 important relationships in a new cornwall? that's going to be a huge challenge for policy makers in new delhi. well, some would say it's very easy and your hesitancy is because as you know her, he well, because you see china is a big adversary, that it may necessitate closer ties between your foe. he across the valley between pakistan and india and china. and that's why you're hesitant about this closer relationship with russia without the u. s. and nato countries involved because it will necessitate closer relationships with china. that's your problem.

and surely, and to the blink and the former west exec consultant who's now secretary of state that alone jake sullivan. realize full well that there are dangers of moving russia closer to currencies other than the dollar. and his thought on par made the calculation banner from the dollar. well you, you brought in china, which is so important. look at the international crisis that was created even before fortran launched the invasion of ukraine. yet how many people in the world know that for the past 22 months, india has faced it, chinese aggression, it trans aggression and roaming up to 200000 chinese troops. that invasion or whatever you call it, began in april 2020. when try these forces furtively

encroach on several key border areas in the northern was indian region of the dock . since then military build ups have only escalated creating the danger of paying full scale law. well, we, we invite the chinese ambassadors in the un united nation, but basically what, so your point and the point of many in the leads in india is they don't want us to abandon its relationship with russia because they went to russia alongside them in their attack. on china and india had fairly similar views on stability in asia or, or ratio. and that bilateral relationship has stood the test of time chinese kelly,

an important factor in this relationship. even in this present military crisis, based with the russians have been a social help for india, especially in helping get to fortify its defenses. so that really underscores the importance of russia for india. i don't think you can afford to see that relationship degrade in any manner, but i wrote it clea, the pakistani prime minister iran gunn, was in moscow at the time that we put in was gayly planning, sending the troops into ukraine. brazil is not being that supportive of nato countries in washington bricks. never been stronger than that. now, given that brazil india and india is perceived enemy nuclear um, fellow, enemy bogus done since that they all seem to be against the nato and the u. s. line

. well, but india is in the unique position of having to nuclear adversary's china and pakistan that actually close alliance. so same started to try and will in which in this that means to try 9 and pakistan and given that stock reality. and given the fact that drake's increasingly has come under the chinese shadow, india has to be very cautious in relying on pricks as a institution. the bricks has value but fresh is currently not a credible alternative to other international institutions. but it's very much investment in rates because there are going to exaggerate the importance of

bricks. the fact is that the country like india, given this security predicament, has to deal with the realities that it faces. what, what is, what do you expect? the u. s. a nato to do to india because of its lack of support, arguably for the civilians dying in the streets of ukraine. what has the american president spoken, even though word on the chinese potter ration against india has any less than the head of government support or india in the current crisis that in that conference, usually chinese aggression answer is no. so why should be out on a limb supporting though they still stand against russia? if you have a dog in the fight against nothing,

from taking a position that could undermine its relationship with moscow. you know, the same time india has done not c. joe underwriters, we bought relationship with, with washington, and they are people in the state department who have set on set off the record to the media that they understand in the ass guy. lemme. and the dollar as to why it abstained from the water in the un security council. i don't you don't see how the universe or it's either going to take revenge on india just because in the abs thing from what the un security council provides a barometer lady. i'll stop you there more from the national security specialist and america's professor of strategic studies at new daily's said to the policy research after this break ah

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welcome back. i'm still here with professor brown with laney international security specialists and americans professor of strategic studies and new delhi center for policy research. so india attacks shiner over perceived un violations un resolution violations, but refuses to attack russia. after the secretary general of the united nations said it violated international law. well, in yeah, never attacked china over. why did any resolution? criticize china for violating bilateral agreements, binding bilateral agreements, of course menu violate, violate while it bilateral agreement to wiley, the national law. because bilateral agreements are bought and partial of international law. yeah. not even un resolutions. and yet, with russia, you won't vote with international law against moscow. well, if you look at the history of this century alone,

they have been so many multiple foreign military and nations of sovereign states in this century alone. the 2000 and began with the us invasion of afghanistan then followed an invasion which is monday by a un resolution while the, the, you and have become increased marginalized in human capital, approval on anything means human camera pro can come even ran a country flow to international law, for example, the us invasion of iraq and occupational the country using the protects, that there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq have the human stamp of approval. that didn't make it legitimate. international law,

s b, c, it is powerful against the policy and policy against the powerful that's the harsh reality might makes right is still very much intact and it was century example. today the western block talks about upholding the rules based order. what, but what to order is back. the fact is that those look at an order others make the routes for the world have been a trade weapon, ising energy, recognizing surface is certainly not upholding and rules based. well, one can mention syria, kennesaw on iraq, livia and so on. but then the view of prime minister moody is 2 wrongs. make a right therefore,

don't vote with the us of the security council. no. as i mentioned, it never, never fits an adjustment on any countries, aggression case in the country has never condemned any military and nation sorry and condemns package. it condensed by august on the use of terrorism as an instrument of policy against india, against our guy miss. because india, the rectum, kind of use of terrorism. but certainly, india has demonstrated immoral judgment on the military actions of any bar that's never been part of indian diplomacy. do you think the united states force or what was going on as it pulled out of afghanistan after its longest war and his

defeat in afghanistan? that, that's why it was boring weapons in the ukraine ahead of what fusion says is a provoke provocation. and what nato in the u. n says, was his illegal invasion garner tons defeated. he relational states was a watershed moment and currently but by there on the defensive. and he tried to divert attention. he made some important strategic miscalculations just the way who had made some sort of different calculations. a 1st miscalculation on the part of binding was that he could use the threat of sanctions to deter russia from in reading ukraine. the problem is that the us true will use of sanctions as

a blanket instrument of sanctions by repeatedly slapping sanctions on russia for the past 8 years or so. so the object of preventing ratio from in meeting ukraine and failed miserably. and that miscalculation was not to take warden's threat often an invasion serious me by giving him the security services they demanded security concerns that the us and they don't want to turn ukraine into a, a front line launch by the russia, by, by deploying offensive weapons on new created inside, well, for was 3 months or so who to talk to, to guarantee it is wanting to know repeatedly. and there was also a bottomless competition. my view on the, on, on the part of putting in international relations.

you can buy mounting a credible liquid credit achieve an object without the need to actually execute the correct. where do you put a long term military against ukraine? we compare us to abandon its policy of nato creek to russian borders. he woke up the world, the dangers of natal expansion ism commentators, even in the us. we can asking whether expanding nato russia borders and thereby prompting russia to militarize was an american interest. in fact, as you know, the military build up on nuclear waters kept the us on the ropes with by them wanting for days on end. the nation was coming is sort of suspending that threat, put in decided to execute that even though controlling the outcome of the warm one second launch is literally impossible. so i think he could have achieved more,

a sustaining. that's right. this is sort of actually launching the nation. obviously, moscow appears to believe that their course of action is the right ones. and risking all is the way forward in the united states thinks that the united states think that there must be, even if it's perhaps risks nuclear war. the ability for ukraine to join nato. that's where the urban union also firmly believes. so, i mean, the point here is the rights of ukraine to be able to join nato at all costs. few believe you wouldn't believe that you crave, shouldn't be admitted to me. it's too intimately divided, highly corrupt. there's functional state in the eyes of many nato,

and there was a chance of, of ukraine and we're being admitted to natal instead of is sort of a 3 chain rush has security concerns. and most concerns could have been addressed to the war after all, russia is what america has a main global challenger. the main lower challenger is china, which is seeking to supply the us. as the global has asked us, as the u. s. has already said, sorry to interrupt them, but obviously the largest on $850000.00 soldiers in the russian army, but european union nations, including germany ascending in masses of weapons now into ukraine. do you think they think in washington of nato headquarters in brussels at b, a u parliament in brussels and in strasburg, that ukraine can beat the red army as they pour in these weapons?

if not, why would they pour in the weapons? the strategy is very clear now that they persuade not only containment to point all against russia, they also crank to enter their kindness on to point all against russia. just the way they in sneered russian, inventing posters and congress done in a ministry quagmire. in the 1980s, by launching their biggest covert operation in history. now, in addition to the high sanctions that have been post on russia, they are lieutenants, least seeking to and, and trap fresh air. similar military quagmire in ukraine. by boring huge, will it create a sources by arming the resistance,

the insurgency, they want to bleed russia? that's the strategy. or whether they succeeded not returning the strategy when it can. in fact vitamins asked congress for an additional $6400000000.00 for a wide arms and other military id ukrainian forces, whether they are armed forces, the resistance forces insurgence that says, carrying amount of money that biden is willing to warranty, no grain. those are certainly the figures being thrown around hell in capitol hill when it comes to the budget then. so apart from all these countries in the global south using turning away from the dollar to get round the sanctions and so on. why do you think politicians in the russian duma wanted their boots in to support the

recognition of don yet skin to hands and pushed putin? who of is he wanted it as well to act in this way. if you believe it, sir, you appear to believe it's a catastrophic geopolitical mistake, let alone it's illegality under international law. well, recognizing that 2 trickery republics could have been seen as barto mounting, credible threat that could have posed the u. s. and nieto, who concede one, russia was asking back to actually launch an invasion or something completely different. that tragic and was al moment of to they could get worse without caution and prudence on both sides. but why with

such a mistake? is this a low cost strategy? but it's very clear for us what the military objectives are in relation to ukraine. what do you think the chief, because, as you can see from the line to attacks, there are 3 lines of attack that russia has mounted in ukraine. it starts seeking to occupy the entire country. what are the military objectives or is something difficult to guess? he's certainly not to do an extra whole of ukraine. nice in terms of the military operations so far. but my biggest concern is this. as a history of this is the only last rates. foreign military invasions have decent life sovereign states. and as iraq,

syria gimme me. such innovations have triggered an ending while and, and bloodshed and russia has invasion, and the us plan to arm and ukrainians to bleed. russia threatened to turn your credit into assyria on libya. this, when i meet the implications, both for russia security as well as well. europe and security progressive rama jamie, thank you so much. that's a for the show will be back on saturday. 76 as to the day since then. you k by minutes to winston churchill address the u. s. making. he's renowned on good and speech where he warned against the spread of soviet communism until then keep in touch my role at social media and that has know which country you think is the biggest aggressive progress driven by adrenal shaped banks. concur senators

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