[000:00:00;00] ah ah agreed humanitarian car doors around the city of mario full breakdown because a small number of people escape through the route that says the russian defense minister says vices from the far right as long. but leon prevented refugees and li, big this is just the name of this town. sounds exactly the same in russia and ukraine in languages. it means had been an english, but it wasn't exactly lucky. the visit the town which spent 80 years in the firing line between ukrainian and don't boss forces that we speak to locals on the ground . ukraine's president of nato's decision not to introduce the

no fly zone over the country. the russian foreign minister claims the leg is trying to push nato into direct conflict with russia. and it turns out that he seeks to provoke a conflict with the presentation of night, between nato russia also in the program to thousands of to take to the street the bell, great in support of russia. while an opposite rally is seen in georgia, with ukraine's president by a video link urging more people to protest against russia is offensive. ah, coming to your life from moscow you're watching, are the international moneys peter scotts, and welcome to 30 minutes of news and analysis. with the war in ukraine now in. so it's 10 day. let's start by taking

a quick look at some of the latest developments need. so has rejected the idea of imposing a no fly zone in ukraine in response ukraine's president. but the mid lensky accused, the alliance of weakness viewing high commissioner for refugees, said further conflicts in ukraine may result in irreversible damage on geopolitical and humanitarian levels. meanwhile, 2 german t. v channels a r d and d. f of join cnn and bloomberg and then move to temporarily suspend broadcasts in russia. this comes face fighting. ukraine continues with losses on both sides. now we'll be looking at those headlines in more detail ahead in the program. rushes defense ministry with there's more than 2000, excuse me, 200000 refugees. i've been cut off from the humanitarian car doors. that's off to moscow, agreed on the sci fi with kiev, along with the provision of a safe exit route for locals. all teach roman casa,

has the latest on the issue. they were agreed upon. now, in the talks between russia and ukraine, in a bill, a ru says, we know that was happening, but after humanitarian corridors opened up at 12 pm, this is saturday. a rush of defense ministry reported that out of the 215000 people expected to evacuate from city sofa, murray, opal, and the city of all of our the neighboring cities. well, no people had actually shown up on out. we did receive a reports over the last few days that some people actually did managed to escape from nearby cities to murray hopeful, but those numbers are too low. it's like 5 here, 3 here. so not a lot of people managed to escape and it was very dangerous since these people, they made their own roots and to really risk their lives. now, according to the russian defense ministry,

the humanitarian court doors were open. throughout the day, people could say an opportunity and leave. but unfortunately, they said, ah thousands of locals and foreigners, they're blocked in the city because the city is encircled by this or is all defense battalion called the us alpha. let's hear from the russian defense ministry. what they said about that good you did each is keep the she grade book grouped, you humanitarian corridors have been opening daily. but the national battalions have categorically stopped attempts by civilians to exit towards the russian federation. taking into account the insistent requests of the ukrainian side a ceasefire has once again been declared to day exclusively for humanitarian purposes for the exit of civilians from mary you paul? unfortunately, according to our information, out of the declared 200000 refugees from mary you, paul, and 15000 from villanova not one has arrived at the open humanitarian corridors. it is established that nationalists are not letting civilians in foreign citizens out

. now the mayor of my rou, paula, he made a statement. he claimed that everything was ready. everything was in place for the evacuation of for refugees. and the heathen said that they began to inform and collect residence at certain locations for the accusation. to begin, he said that even the red cross was present to assist with evacuation, but he said it was impossible to to do to perform because showing by a russian army had begun. now on the other hand, we had to rush defense ministry who also made a claim that they have ariel footage, showing that there were absolutely no attempts made to gather is people to provide a safe passage for them out of the area. and russian defense ministry insisted that ukraine use this time of ceasefire to actually regroup and to strengthen their

positions. now we also received unconfirmed reports earlier in the day that a building collapse as a result of an explosion in myrtle and buried at least $200.00 local residents in the rubble. now, once again, this is unconfirmed but certainly shows a lot of the situation. there is and how desperate the people are to lead this affected area where you certainly painted quite a grim pitcher of the situation in multiple. now, when this done ukrainian army has left the area. why has the evacuation not got underway yet? is it purely because of the shelling? well, yes and no of the ukrainian army might have left. they might have not ever been present in the city of maria. and here we need to make a very important a little while we're to distinguish between the ukranian army and to the so called a territorial defense battalion to the city of variable battalion is called us off and according to the next people's republic,

authorities of battalion are using terror tactics in order to scare a peaceful civilians. now we do know for a fact that this as old battalion has a neo nazi affiliation. they've even been accused by the united nations of committing war crimes over the years. and they've been present in the city of maria for the entire 8 years that this conflict had been going on. now, i worked in the done boss, have been covering the conflict there for the last 8 years. and i myself have witnessed the atrocities that were committed by the, by the representatives of this battalion as off and there's another one called i dar door present in different territories. it has people's a republican. i saw mass graves, i saw the results of executions. i saw the uniforms carrying and nazi symbols, so quite a lot of people in the world, but certainly not enough and know about what not will this not see as all battalion

is. so here's a clip for you. take a look. who's with my while the problem with humanitarian cardoso continues. so mario ple residents are understood to have managed to escape. they have now been accommodated in a shelter, settled by russia and done yet for public officials say at least 17 people left the city. se for the shelter, here's what those who fled had to say. the

credit union. my problem, my let me know which is why i have julia assisted you homeless, which was actually just a matter of time, which is pretty much just february. so what are the various meanwhile, the russian foreign minister has said that all for it is in the city of kennesaw in ukraine south refused to accept the russian humanitarian aid. lovegrove also blamed maria pal authorities in the near region for not letting local residents leave the area of those humanitarian corridors. moscow,

very much concerned about this kind of hostage situation. the civilians are currently in. we heard from russia's foreign minister speaking at the press briefing with his caregiver counterpart. he said that the reason information that to local authorities in here. so in a big city on the black sea at regional capital, they just recently fell under the control of the russian army refuse to accept humanitarian aid provided by moscow, while the innocent civilians in another city of mary, your pearl, again in the south, are not allowed to evacuate using humanitarian corridors, here is what mr. oliver of had to say. did he go to printers, literacy school ukuleles scheme, a good, a good securing the talks between the russian and ukrainian delegations. it was announced to everyone satisfaction that there was agreement on the creation of humanitarian corridors. we expect, or at least expected disagreement to be clearly implemented. i'll military did all the work expected of them. the main thing now is for people to be let out of the

cities through the humanitarian corridors with m, which foul military provide security today. information has already appearing on social networks. the minutes republic has said that the murray, you pally or forty's, is refusing to provide residents with the opportunity to leave for the humanitarian corridor, which was created by russian forces to la rove. also added that the fact that ukraine's president mister zalinski so unhappy with nature's decision not to interfere in the war here, could indicate that he's been interested in provoking a direct conflict between the lions and russia. russia's foreign minister also complained that the ukraine inside is doing its best to postpone to do to delay. the 3rd round off east talks between moscow and kia further ukrainian side never accepted any of the russian suggestions about when to have these talking to never set up any day. meanwhile,

i am in the city of advanced now the capital of logan's people's republic, and we have been traveling a lot across the republic in the last 7 days. and we have been able to speak to local residents who have been suffering here in the last 8 years. and everybody told us that they are waiting for the results of these piece talks with high hopes hoping for peace. of course, here's my report. this is shasta him. the name of this town sounds exactly the same in russia and ukraine in languages. it means happiness in english, but it wasn't exactly lucky. it is on the very front line. it has been dramatically destroyed. locals even compare it with stalingrad, located near a river on a strategic high point. shasta saw fears shelling 8 years ago, dear in caves, so cold count to terror peroration in this region. recent battles over the town between the ukrainian military and the army of de la ganske republic,

left him in more scars fiercely. but there is some sort of melee combat going on endlessly for a week. i don't know where they are shooting from. maybe the trees may be somewhere else, but it forces us to hide in the basement home to at least 12000 people. a decade ago. to day the town is deserted and the lives of those who decided to stay seemed to have turned into quest for survival. sima here is some kind of projectile stuck . i don't know what it is. i am not a military man, but if there were no pillars, 2 houses would have been destroyed. walk boss, martial law has been introduced. there are road blocks with constant checking. i don't know how to live normally if you can't do anything and go anywhere as everything is mine. when we were in town, there was no electricity, no gas, no running water, no connection. if you shop still functioning closed before noon, church services are held only on sundays. the shelling left one of the walls

destroyed. it's cold and dangerous inside. it's hard to believe this place is habitable. this is aaron commendation for population and how to behave during war during showering, like find a concrete wall. if you are outside a lay down on the ground, if you are in the field and here it's marked rad is not exactly a good idea, like wearing uniform for example, or approaching windows for new of, of we're not leaving. but moving to another apartment where they're at least intact windows, it's hard to live there with them being broken. then you authorities say work has already begun to repair infrastructure and provide security for locals. there is still hope that one day, the town so brightly named happiness can finally find it once again. nathan osha, r t from shes here in the la guns republic. in other parts of ukraine fighting is ongoing. in the don bus region,

the retreating ukrainian army is allegedly destroying infrastructure along the way . as, according to the russian military. meanwhile, forces from the done yet scandal, guns, republics continued to advance with russian military help. again, that's according to moscow. this unverified footage from the ukrainian capital shows a huge explosions said to be in the western part of the city. air raid sirens are still being sounded occasionally here with authorities asking people not their homes. and his footage from the russian defense ministry, which claims to show forces advancing further into the key or region while strengthening their positions. and now for some more video, this time from car cove in the north east, which shows smoke rising above a residential area, often a legit missiles strike. local authorities say the ukrainian military is launched a counter offensive against russian forces within the region. while moscow claims

artillery is being deliberately placed in residential areas, are you an near key of yet another bridge has reportedly been destroyed. now it's not clear who was responsible, where ukrainian forces have allegedly been blowing the bridges across the country to hinder russian military advance locals now navigate the river and forth across the rubble of what's left. retreat thing ukrainian forces have also allegedly blown off a bridge in the republic of lou guns. thousands of locos must now use boats to cross the river there, and the hurried detonation has reports to be left traces of explosives on the bridge. perez rushes foreign minister believes that the lensky is trying to push nato into direct conflicts with russia. ukrainian presidents, meanwhile, hasn't held back on his anger at nato, claiming the alliance will have blood on nissan's. that's for a jason ukraine's demands the implements a no fly zone. over the country for sloppy some of the nato summit was

a very weak and direction. with summit for 9 days, we've seen a brutal war. they want to continue in knowing that a new strike is inevitable. nato made a consenting decision not to close ukrainian airspace from this day. those who die will die because of you to show the blood gates and the landscape still relies on the resolution of the conflict by involving nato in this whole story. and not through negotiations, it turns out that he does not have the constant statements coming from washington, paris, berlin, and of a capital that nato is not going to interfere in the conflict. and it turns out that he seeks to provoke a conflict with the participation of nato, between nato and russia. sport. well, earlier we spoke to south african politician tokyo state. quale, who said nato's involve a may lead to disastrous consequences. if the wall in a new client spills over into this country is that's why i'm saying that once that happens,

then it all is world war 3. we cannot allow that to happen. we cannot keep weighs about that. it is our world. we are part of this group we have got to say as well, because with these weapons happen, the speed of an actual or the nucleus will not happen. he doesn't choose, you know, what happened in wrong, long island, in the united states. you know what happened in russia, and i guess like you, and we can see also what happened in terms of it. and, and of course the weapons shot there to be hypersonic weapons the particular they're all going to do. so is the same. obviously, you can see the pandemic which came get this pandemic whenever it comes from it here. all of us in the world, the nuclear weapons, when the fire food stamps, we'll, we'll achieve that. so why should they end up meant for fake? the leaders must sit down and stop competing about who can apply more sanctions on this one, the actual picture of the work is breaking down as well as the infrastructure.

people must see don single, the children. meanwhile, the russian president, putin has criticized any talk of the west, placing nuclear weapons in ukraine, saying such moves were to quote, hold russia at gun point. and i started deal. they will build up to make nuclear weapons in ukraine and they will also get help from across the oceans. and then they'll say that we do not recognize the nucleus states. this will put these complexes under their control. and from this 2nd, from this very 2nd, the fate of russia will be completely different. because then our strategic adversary's will not even need to have ballistic inter continental missiles. right here they will keep that gunpoint with a nuclear weapon and not said, how can we move past all of this? these are absolutely real threats not so far fetched nonsense. and our guys who are now fighting and laying down their lives, fighting for our future. these are completely obvious things, and people who do not want to understand this, especially those among the current leadership,

is the crane. must understand if they continue to do this. they are calling to question the future of ukrainians statehood. anything with ara fault, employee, the stress, the criminal, has no plans to impose martial law in russia. and the destruction of ukraine's military infrastructure is almost complete. the also note, the different options are on the table for the demilitarization of ukraine, and all of them could be negotiated with ukraine views versus military actions as an unprovoked invasion. calling for immediate withdrawal of all russian forces, the u. s. and bassett, russia warned washington that nato enlargement could provoke a response from moscow. the concerns were highlighted in a cable sent from moscow, which was later leaked by wikileaks, ukraine, and george's nato aspirations. not only touch iran nerve in russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region.

russia would have to decide whether to intervene a decision. russia does not want to have to face in the cable. then ambassador william burns also said moscow won't tolerate it's come, security concerns being ignored. also noting the kremlin, believe the question of nato membership would divide ukraine as the russian, the us for would see, would oppose joining the alliance potential leading to a worst case scenario of civil war. let's discuss this issue with mark sla, border, an international affairs unsecured, see on the list. welcome to the program. thanks around me. it's always a minor and a pleasure to be on. thank you. now, the former us ambassador to russia warned the discussions concerning nate, those eastward expansion could have serious consequences. why do you think the west ignored such warnings? well, this leaked document is particularly significant because it is from

a former us ambassador to russia, who is right now the senior director. but he is far hardly the only or the 1st one to address these issues of nato expansion eastward into ukraine. the dangers that presents as a what would be perceived by russia as an existential national security threat. and also threatened to destabilize ukraine because of the national identity divides largely along east west lines in the country. george kennan the father, the geo strategic father of the u. s. policy of containment against the soviet union said the same thing, a jack matlock, former us ambassador to the soviet union. the last us ambassador to the soviet union, when it dissolved, said the same thing. bill clinton's defense sex secretary william percy said the same thing. in fact,

he felt so strongly about the dangers of nato expansion to the east, towards russia that he considered resigning over it. john mearsheimer, the perhaps the greatest living american i are scholar, someone whose books are required reading in every single international affairs. one 0, one the world over. he's spoken out strongly against it for years and right up to today doing lectures on it. and a recent piece in the new yorker where, you know, the title of the piece is why john mearsheimer believes the u. s. is to blame for the crisis in ukraine. jeffrey sachs, the famed american economist, the former us defense secretary bob gates, the former british ambassador, sir roderick lynn. he was bastard, a russia,

and he said that it was stupid on every level. and if you want to start a war with russia, this is the way of doing it. so the question is, why did they ignore all of these voices, these eminent voices in international relations and on russia doing it because it is perceived now to be to us g o political objectives to expand into your grains so that ukraine is no longer a neutral state on russia's borders at all costs. well if, if vs concerns have been taken into account back in 2008 when this cable was leased . and obviously you said that many officials of voice concerns about the effects of nato expansion on russia. do you think we would see a different state of affairs today? you know, if, if nato had not expanded further east after 2008, we would see not only

a completely different situation in western russian relations today we would see an entirely different geo political and international order situation. the world over, it would be a much less tense, much less dangerous international environment of the world over. and in your opinion, what do you think needs to be done to reduce the tension and in doing so, bring this conflict to a close? well, i think, you know, 1st of all, doing what is necessary to bring a ceasefire in ukraine right at the moment. the leader of the u. s. back key of which regime zalinski there needs to essentially meet russian security and political demands. the u. s. need to stop us and the wes need to stop flooding ukraine with weapons that will not change the outcome of the military situation in the country,

but will only lead to years of bloody insurgency intended to keep ukraine permanently destabilized. and of course, to inflict as much punishment on russia as possible. stopping nato expansion a reflection of what the real purpose of the organization. you know, in the 21st century is and a guarantee of return of ukraine to the neutrality it had between russia and the west. prior to the overthrow of the last, democratically elected government there in 2014. while it's national affairs and security analyst mark slab border, thank you very much for your insights. i'm sure we'll have you again back on the program as the situation unfolds. thanks for having me. meanwhile, processes hit the streets of belgrade, serbia, to show their support for russia. the rally started with the russian answer be

a national anthems and thousands in the crowd were waving russian flags and carrying pictures of president putin. many the processes are also sharing unseen nato sentiments. and of course, this comes as many ordinary serv still hold the memory of nato's bombings of their country. back in the 1990s was yvonne guide professor at the institute of europeans to his in belgrade says that despite receiving little media coverage protested, flocked to the rally after it was advertised on social media. the rally was not really advertised very much except for the telegram groups or, or websites that are really very small than theirs. their, their scope is not large or is their audience, but from word to words, from also mouth on, towards friends. so people came in, great numbers, actually to support russia, and there is

a simpler place where that is because russia was supporting for last 20 years. serbia's 30 tauriel integrity in the u. n. when it comes to the cost of all issue, russia was supporting and still is supporting the resolution $1244.00 that guarantees a serial integrity. and there is a strong and tiny percent demands that only grew over the years. which is why people actually know that these kind of protests are fingering, die in, in the western let's say media in the western, even a public that's another rally in georgia protest. this stood in solidarity with ukraine. thousands gathered in the capital to make their feelings felt over russia's actions. and during the rally, ukrainian president zelinski addressed processes in a live video broadcast, urging them to bring more people to the streets in

a show of support. and just before we go, a quick update to our satellites broadcasting around the world from the extra express air made satellites in europe. you can find, as that's all t global sd over in africa. it's r. c, global and in latin america express a mates at 14 degrees west. you can find a detailed guide on how's a tune in through that's r t dot com slash where to watch. that's the wrap for this hour. my name's peter scott, and i'll be back again with more news than any developments in the ongoing ukraine conflate in about 30 minutes. ah

ah. ah. ah, i ah . i imagine retention we're going on the ground in a week where a t was banned by the european union. this says joe biden made his 1st stage of the union address as president of the united states, where he warned russian president vladimir putin would pay high price for his invasion of ukraine. while promising us forces won't fight the russian military in ukraine. it's also 76 years to the day that you k prime minister. winston churchill