oil just recently bought a 100000 metric tons of russian oil because it said it had no other alternative. if it were not to buy the soil, then it would have been facing us. the shortfalls in supply, let's take a listen to the official announcement from the company. yesterday we made the difficult decision to purchase a cargo of russian crude oil or refineries produce petrol and diesel, as well as other products that people rely on every day to be clear without an uninterrupted supply of crude oil to refineries. the energy industry cannot assure continued provision of essential products to people across europe over the weeks ahead. cargoes from alternative sources would not have arrived in time to avoid disruptions to market supply. now while we're hearing these kinds of statements from, for example, shell and the german chancellor, that it's just not possible to ditch russian oil over night. at the same time, we're hearing comments from ukrainian officials, basically trying to shame people who are still doing business with russia in the oil sphere. one example is ukraine's foreign minister who asked shell over twitter

if the oil it just bought, smelled like the blood of ukrainians. but whatever brussels and washington is trying to accomplish and perhaps blocking the import of russian oil, there's no doubt that the kind of blow back they're going to face is going to have themselves shooting themselves in the foot. well, that's so wrapped for this saw bunny speeches, scots, and i'll be back again in 30 minutes with all the latest. ah ah ah ah, ah, ah, ah.

hello in welcome, the crossed out. were all things considered on peter lavelle, russia special military operation and ukraine continues. this is widely agreed upon . beyond that media reporting on this conflict could not be more polarized and politicized. in the west. this conflict is black and white. good versus evil. no context is provided, which of course is done on purpose. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have to meet with bob and she's a political analyst and editor. it interests me, internet media project or a general cross up rules in effect,

that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i. let's start out with george. george. obviously all of us are watching events unfold in ukraine very carefully. i'm watching western media, i'm looking at russian media. and i couldn't, you couldn't get to did a more different stories that are being reported, particularly in western media. and there is no context where this conflict came from. oh wow. the way this conflict is being played out and how could possibly end? because western media asthma turned it into an emotional event. not an analytical event. go ahead george. yes, that's right. there is no context and we get nothing. it's all about the events that had preceded this. russian special operation. so you know, the media wasted 5 will 6 years out. this phony baloney, trump, russia, so, but missed the big story, which was the biden,

ukraine's going to action because i haven't really played a very important role in everything that has happened here. because it was the whole bama by demonstration, that engineer the qu, in february 2014 and many of the people who are involved in that, including of course, victoria newland. and we have our telephone you know, yes is out. your story is the guy clip is out and all these people are back in the meantime, you know, by and have been very much involved with the both my don government and the moment the by the ministration came in, they, me, they began pushing for ukraine's membership engine nato, and it has become very, very intense. around about the last october when defense secretary lloyd austin,

went to ukraine. you went to georgia and declared that the wrote to nato membership is open open. this was so strong that even the media picks up on this and it was the media now pretend to go. oh no, no, no, no, there be no plans at all. no plans at all books bringing in your grades are made so they lie about that. just like they, they all know that will no promises me to go, but you know, your grade wasn't going to be broken tonight, but he's clear that's worth such plans. and that by rushing the through and no one was going to resist. the russians were getting extremely concerned, and i think that explains why their tone changed in responses. in november we just started talking about red lines and then a december, when russia presented these 2 very harsh documents to nato and the united states. so none of that is brought in and they said, we just hear about this horrible, big,

ugly bear, and this plucky little country trying to resist aggression. you know, gimme george, george, is that a wonderful job of introducing this topic here? because if you watch western media that cable, particularly russia did, suddenly out of the blow up for no particular reason, invaded ukraine, that is the story line that you get. i mean, this is really appalling. and what it does is that it actually the what's away from the most powerless in western society. they are the ones are going to be punished with the higher prices, higher energy, right? it's all because of unprovoked aggression demon. well, 1st, if you weren't about the general nature of this conference, you know, when, on the 1st day or the day, one of the reasons i felt that i was really stand them. no one in russia is rejoicing about what's going on. there is no gene, greece, spirit. right now. everyone is very serious,

very concerned. some people are going to need to listen. you know, we get sunday school lessons from the west like war is not the math. yes. you but i sense war is not and it's a method on the 19th century. but when you are pleased with the 17th century miss with the 17th century girl war becomes and unfortunately, we all know that. so just if you will fax, the recent fax you know, would show who were needed and level the brain. you get a gauge of these negotiations. one was the 1st to need if you want the 1st and they did 2 days ago by the grand jury. presumably because they suspected him a crate or what kinds of negotiations when a member of the delegation get killed, you know, you go security service government. jim,

when he was in power in both sanctions or the hermitage museum in saint petersburg on the multiple state university. and he's like nice west someone culture. so i'm quite the opposite. do gotten, i mean it's very easy to appeal to people's emotions. yes, more is more than that. it's very easy to do one tosh. you show that if you're geez, you show that it's going to show, put in space and, and go to all these math is to blame for everything. just so easy. you know, it's just such an easy or difficult. but if you look what happens for 8 years, russia has been in the west. don't expand nato is dangerous. don't support these review when you grant what they're doing, you know, they are all their own people. they're essentially the members. they own the

hermitage from the west. you know, they heard democratic elections, you know, they, they change or shank off was human and i'm just going to call professor joiner. we encourage the radiance to play hardball with russians. we told you bring us a line that they could become a part of the west and we told ukrainians that they should, that kind of resist fujen on every, every week. the result is that russia place with its existence because you know, when i was in your brain, this isn't essential threat for russia. would you just thought cool, preventive, you know, nice thinking people in the west all these left mean and need to find out the route . so russia ran was that post war. then most people probably the best people on the

but would be deter america from the boy weapons. and he said, you know, who did your americans from doing that? all the of the russian army. unfortunately, this was the last resit and u. s. george washington post remarkably published, declassified or documents about massive. i mean, truly massive arm shipments ukraine at the end of last year. and we do, and i spoke before this got the attention of the russians, i immediately and we and then we get these very high, intense negotiations which the west showed nothing per other the russians hard work . and then we have, we get to where we are now. i mean there is, it is a sense of causality. here you'd be a, you're a very hostile neighbor,

attaining vast. i mean, hundreds of millions of dollars of hardware, military hardware. and that's just for peaceful purposes. go ahead george time. so in effect, ukraine was becoming a de facto member of bass or. and if i told him kind of admitted that in this press conference, the other day, i mean when he was boasting about, well, you know, how much weaponry we have provided and all the training would be in doing. and this has been going on since 2014, so no one has told them both think, but this is how you know, the people are going to praise. they do all this, but it's only confirm what russia has been saying, which is you are turning this country into essentially an aircraft carrier directed against and quickly. i mean, what if your grain were rushed through into actually do you are a membership of may so then russia, when it will have very little options, well,

you know what, what are they going to do now? because now, you know they, they would, if they try to go in and disarm and not buy your grain, they would be up against nato and they really wouldn't be risky. well, window was becoming very, very narrow. the judge, it may kill was the defense of alliance. oh, it's just oh the, you know, everything it does is just holding onto what he's got. an export massive amounts of arms. the countries that are not in the alliance, that is the bed. that's right. and, and he did oldenburg said that, well, you know, we are now very actively involved with the georgia and the some reason both the, the governor, again, these are not members of nato. why, you know, actively involved with them. and again, you know, we are a defensive alliance. how are you defensive? so, the problem is that for russia, this was a be, was really getting very,

very dire situation. and i think that's why, you know, they have to move quickly before the by the ministration would have pushed through major membership. because who would have resisted? i mean, back in 2008, michael resisted the grammar. but even though it was still put in, in that book or as declaration who's going to resist lashelle, you get a complete 0. you know, wrong with says one thing, one day when we go the next thing on the 3rd day. so yeah, i mean, you know, the americans would have, had they pushed for and i'm sure that they were getting ready to before that was unfinished business for the biting people. d ma, i just one for the record. can you explain to our audience? is russia under martial law? because some media outlets are making the claim. what is the i live here you live here? how would you describe the situation, at least here in moscow?

go ahead. when there are no limitations on public life, i mean b a lost ran all that and they could be it right now. so it, it's amazing how the new generation that and on the site. so it's kind of interesting even to happen all over the western world. but maybe that just a coincidence. ok, maybe maybe it's b p. c. but in general, people are concerned. i mean, you see people listening to you all the time. you see them and they are all good, you know, for us, it's a tragedy because even there are millions of people who built you crate these people and even rush, i mean, look at it. these are the same apartment buildings that you find in moscow that you

find installed, that you know, c, b, it was bomb county and very, a very common genus because all the people had the same education. they all watch the same time. so there are still lots of things connected us and i've just been here gentlemen, we have to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our team. ah ah

ah ah ah ah, welcome to crossed out, were all things considered on funeral a bell? this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah, i'll go back to dina. dina, if you could just very shortly,

will describe how russians perceive ukraine and ukrainians. go ahead. well, i'm g o recently or didn't was basically the same all the people and he was very was it? you're basically william banking difference. so in the rationing by green. yes. well my russians rushes were all gold rush in the soviet union. the different narrow the were more because. ready there was a general education and people basically watched the same re channel and it isn't bob, what has been happening in the last 80 years for my man by russians. the reason why there are you a protest now then in 2014, when, when basically my happened with 40 policemen killed and the

army is more in boston, crimea, went to russia. there were some products in russia at the time, and they were more numerous. why? because people at the time had not yet seen the cruelty or the, you know, i mean dos. now we have 8 years, you know, from a gun that we have several 1000000 refugees from your brain. you're just don't see them in the streets because they're the same as up. you could see from the visible, you know, they have a distinct east and isn't a very interesting that russia is deemed the aggressor but a 1000000 to a 1000004 people moved from the john bass to rush. i don't think that's ever happening to georgia. they change gears a little bit here. what happened to western values? what happened to freedom of speech? i mean, if you, if you question the mentor, that the state department and,

and they have described for the intel intelligence community, you're a traitor. how do we get here? i know that started under trump, but this is bleeding into just everything. now, you drink vodka, you're an agent of who would have thought go ahead. yeah. i mean, in some ways, i think the, the arbitrary government measures during the co theory of the past 2 years kind of paved the way for this, but versus the act they've been on the day can against russian media. they just like that, no legislation boss just simply, you know, a government decrease. russians are getting the property seat. right. you don't have to like russian 1000000000 as the thing. but what the hell does this about? what does they done? did they use you declare one day this person is part of booted in a circle? what does that mean? i mean, even if true, what does he does? why and why does he get his property taken away? and this is just going across the boat. everybody is clapping and then there is

this extraordinary village on an individual level to ward russians and you got to get a russian not being served in the in restaurants. russian stores are attacks. you remember the time when after 911, all these solemn politicians games? i know there's just nothing to do with most lives. this is just the terrorist watson give vent to islamic phobia. where are these voices today in the west? what is there any politicians who say, we don't want to take this album, individual russians, this is, you know, this is the regime. oh, why and happy they're going along with this. i mean this, you know, we have valerie get to give you, you know, he gets bias from his position. very distinguish musician because you know, he, you know, he didn't condemn the government. well, i mean,

if we have done that, wouldn't put his life in jeopardy of role if you, what you say is true and that is this monster wouldn't actually, you know, in some ways to get life in jeopardy, but now he's gone. so this is completely arbitrary, and really, governments are just engaging in the worst lowest the demo. or if and i see on the shoring russians of hey, you know, the west lady hates us and this is a long standing hatred. you know, it was supposed that it was all about communism. it is something much deeper going on here. the, my, the mckinney, i suppose it's politically incorrect to say russian lives matter to well, you're right. and the russian brought us to even more money. correct right now, because it's just amazing. it reminds me that early years of bolshevism, everyone in the same $150.00. yeah. get our hands on their property once

they get their dealers. well, i remember i read george canon's memoir, you know, the famous cameron walked in moscow and best during the time of the war. and afterwards he saw how the communist introduced the reforms in europe. and he wrote that when it is confiscated, the lamb from the land was these by the some some b, r, e in the farmers. but what, but can you belong to the boss? but you take a nice the leaves of the country for many years. so ok, they can take a remote they can take the los or whether it is you know, by the way, some of the, the invariable west sanction in friedman.

ivan, this stupid thing you would expect from the nice people that way when they actually are some of the western government, who are mary and the russian and the way to read continue. you can check the news for that one. but what happens is, in this way, the west consolidates washington because everyone, you know, 300 dual in depth and it makes them, it makes the debit just for rush because no rush of that one percent. sure. i'll put him in for us. they know if there is what they did on the good, i mean, george. so if confiscation is the name of the game right now. so western assets in russia, it's fair game, right? i mean, the property. yes, i think so,

and i think there's increasing talk about that. russia should retaliate or be they've lost a lot of money. lost a lot of property. they should retire early a by national, i think, all with them assets in russia. and that, of course, means they take all the intellectual property. and that means that they can now manufacture all these goods and just sell them around the world. and no doubt on the western companies will then try to sue you stolen our intellectual problem. but good luck with that. i mean people have been trying to do that again, kind of the year. the great. but i mean, it is indeed a fair game. after all, you know, russia has lost an enormous amount and that raises other issues to these companies who now lose their assets, will go to their respective government the way going to help us out. i mean we're, we're in a lot of trouble with lots of money. 1 you know, we can't stay in business and then the government will presumably have to bail them

out. i mean they, they got them into this trouble, so you'll be up to them to get them out. so saying, i mean, where is the money going to come from saying with all the refugees? oh, come on. oh, well, you know, we were welcoming, how many of you, who's going to pay for all of this? i mean, i mean, we don't many millions of refugees from your grace who even knows who the hell these people are and i do, german is going to have to pay for all of this. so i know that united states is quite happy with creating a problem for other countries, but a lot of people are going to be a heavy price in the west. well, in georgia, i can tell you that the ukrainians and russians are crossing the eric and southern border as we speak. okay. they got, they got the word, the on the borders open. d ma, again, kind of give us a notion of how russians feel about the see. because in the i started in my

introduction is that there is this reporting on this conflict is without context. ukraine is complete context for russian. so being the inter marrying people have, i have a member of my team prospect team. she has family in mary ocho, which is under siege by the ukrainian army. i mean, it's very, very personal, and that is something western media never explains ukraine in the, in the conscience of russians is a domestic issue. it's not a horn issue. go ahead. i'm sorry, you're right, but just to protect us from a lesions mario bo was taken by. i had a referendum on federal way to degree in spring, looking it up for you know, staying in the people's republic. you know, the part of the brilliant groups roll into the part of that and the rest of the people are in the and now the russian army and the people are trying

to push the ukrainian troops and the sole person on the battalion reports of the views but they are holding the population to need my money orders. but you know, you asked me to call you about it. it seems to me the west is underestimate. i mean, they hear that you get a day the property costs and they want to get upset and out. this is on the list. you may think people, you know, very dear, that you can feed rations more. so what i believe is a war and i want to going. ready into this is also underestimate that he's man, she didn't think about the consequences before starting there is also stupid, you know, was, it was part of his calculation that there will be a backlash in the west. and of course, in you will,

that support is rushing the what are going to be unfortunate that had to be good. that what was all the upside is huge. currently, you know, 40000000 people hostile to russia with huge data where you can high table, edible weapons, defacto member only though, because they're already crane and most likely even basis on the west and all of that. so would you name the cultural us on these more? let me jump in here, jim and george last 30 seconds to you. the liberal west is supporting some of the most vicious, neo nazi battalions and ukraine never reported. go ahead. no, never, it was. of course, this double with the liberal west supporting neo nazis in croatia in the 1990 s. you know, was down of islam make terrorists and check border. and indeed,

the finance and transport the jihad into balls the, again, in, in the $990.00 is. this is a long standing tradition. and all of this is not recall just is that we get this the sanitized picture of the glorious heroic. you're the media. i mean, are all the time we have a little one thing, my guess i'm going to pass on here in moscow and then think our viewers are watching us here. are you see you next time? remember the rather driven by dreamers shaped by those with me. ah, a dares

thinks we dare to ask in with the 3rd round of diplomatic talks between here and moscow wraps up in bella ruth earlier moscow blamed care for what is called a cynical attitude toward its own people. ukrainian officials didn't notify them of evacuation 3 agreed humanitarian corridors to russia. an explosion at little guns oil. deborah was reported early this morning with local authorities blaming ukrainian miss r strikes and it hit to fuel tanks. we heard from an ex ukraine army paramedic who returned to don bass. she claims the armies. auctions shocked us so much during the ongoing war the she quit and went home in your spot. so my, you just me as possible. it is pretty.