biden administration, and most especially the neo conservatives within like victoria new and are, are pushing this to a brink. and we, and i don't know why, except that they're trying to contain rush, i think they're trying to overthrow the government in, in, in the russia. i think that's our ultimate goal. they want the people in russia. i think that russia is the ultimate target. ukraine has always been just the, the, the, the, the debate if you will. and, and this, and you saw this in the, in the lead up to the opening of hostilities when stolen burg, and the others were just so adamant about nato expansion. notwithstanding the fact that it's in violation of, of almost 30 years of agreements that that were signed up there between the west on the east. and yet these agreements like all agreements i guess are made to be broken. and that's precisely what has occurred. and, and i think that the ukraine is just being used for, for,

for their purposes. they don't want an attack on, on the west. but they, they want to do what they can to cast russia in the, in the, in the worst possible light. and, and to ultimately result in a, in a, in a disruption within russia itself. you know, caleb, let's get to you in, in new york. i mean, if we look back of this, essentially this iteration of this crisis goes back to 2014 with the illegal overthrow of the government there with the backing of the united states and victoria, no one is back, i'm, i don't, he, caleb, it's, it's really quite remarkable that no one in the foreign policy, bob or in the media has realized the more quote unquote nato, the nato countries help ukraine, the smaller it gets in more unstable and actually a lot poor. nobody likes to point that out. go ahead, caleb. sure. i mean, if you listen to american media, you would have no idea that this has been going on for 8 year american media is

talking about this. it just started. i heard a cnn reporter say that your brain was a useful country. i just lack of what i mean, the fact that there have been so many gaps in 1000 gone after the fact that the nato expansion has been taking place there as the island weapons into engine to keep them and threatening russia blockade. i mean, i've made this analogy many times, but we have many spanish speaking people in united states. did you imagine there was a judge in some state or where, where governor was writing and tickets and ignorant court received language. this would be rightly opposed. and the number of the apps that are taken place. and don, back shelling the use of turkish rounds to attack civilian. russia has shown quite a bit of restraint. now they waited years, you know, they, they, they wanted to reintegrate back injury. right. right. and one of the medical records to be recognized and we carry through. so the way american meat is

representing, just regularly outrageous. but what areas it seems like it's not only an attempt to be russia, but they want to escalate. they, they don't want this conflict. and then johnstone, exactly, i really, me go to you in london at this munich security conference this year of all people come out, harris was there. and she was telling the media that there hasn't been a war in europe for 70 years. but there was a nato war against the former yugoslavia that was one. and as caleb is pointed out for 8 years, the don bass was assaulted in every way possible here. where is the context and all of this? this is what's really frustrates me. i can understand people that are very frustrated with this situation, even against russians, military operation, i can get that, but i don't get people that want, don't want to put it into context. you put it into context for us. go ahead. i think that this is what you just said. it's just

a whole the united states in this whole conflict between russia and ukraine. i mean, getting out the context out of the equation. it makes much simple for this whole style actors and mainstream media to lie about this conflict. i mean, we know that the has been banned in the, in europe. and it also suggests the fact that the voice is all voice is, was trying to put, i mean, this conflict in the framework which started in 2014. i my so as you for your why been in your credit in 2014, i prepared a research paper for the house of lords and for the bow group. i suggested that if the united states in particular and the west, also called collective west will sit at the table negotiation table about the

ukraine, and it's ukraine being neutral. so lot be joining the nato. it will cause a very huge frictions, and this is the outcome of the previous comment. ace is what he said. this was meant from the very beginning to escalate with russia. and now, i mean with the lead up to the escalation, few months later, months later, we could see that several european leaders, like mister schultz and micron, was traveling as a messenger of the washington d. c. o president biden, to put in more more accurately, to a somehow do the diplomatic moves and somehow break at the diplomatic deal. they showed the importance, the european union is impotent. it's reluctant to stand on their own feet when it's come to when it's coming. the european security for framework,

and these are the consequences of the european impotence when it comes to the defense. we literally before our own eyes, we can see that the central europe is being turned into the another middle east. and many commentators and washington hopes are saying that they want to make ukraine. another of gone is a full president put about, i'm not sure whether they will succeed. it will just home countries are, which are neighboring with ukraine like poland, the twin, perhaps hundreds which are the last lifeline i would say of the american how germany this part of the world. but the ending, well, it seems to be very bloody, very gloomy. you know, my, i agree, i mean, michael a, i don't think the europeans understand what they're supporting here. i mean mass migration. you don't know who these people are. the, the presence in ukraine had been opened up. the convicts had been armed a,

it's all, it's complete chaos. i mean, i'm time i've title this for a program failing state. and this is what the west is doing is promoting the failure of the ukrainian state. go ahead, mike. well, yeah, i think, well, you can see it, it's been evolving ever since biden administration came in and want to reassert leadership and natal, they've had to, ah, over, over, extend themselves and push. they actually push the nato countries into this the other as, as your previous guess, just pointed out, germany, france and the others who live right next door were much more cautious about having any kind of confrontation with us, with russia and, and, and as far as ukraine is concerned, ukraine has, has a actually violated its own basis for sovereignty or from 1990 in which they pledged even then to beat non law and, and,

and it was only in 2017 that they modified their constitutional join nato. again, pressure from the, from the united states and, and in the same with georgia. and they're gonna be get it and, and they knew go full. well, they were very wide eyed about this. that it was gonna create a problem and it was a red line for moscow because of the it insecurity, the lack of in the visibility that has been talked about since the founding of o. s. c e in n, in in which they talked about not, not increase in the security of the west at the expense of the east. and that is exactly what happened. after 1997. when we are, nato expanded into it, into the east, to, to the central and eastern europe. and this, this is all the, at the behest of the united states, not the countries neighboring, the ukraine,

and russia. and this is the, the, me get, let me go to kayla before we go to the break here, cale, i'd the drill sample here. ah, though you as political, elite and nato, they want russia as an enemy. it's a handy enemy to have. that's what they want. to say they've actually gotten what they designed, go ahead. sure. i mean, if you look at this in light of the u. s. senate domestic events with the economy crumbling and lation biden is very much following jimmy carter friends since the script and we talk about afghanistan. yes, they force their forcing a situation where russia asked to basically intervene and russia has to have a red line in your grain and, and intervene. and now they are whipping up is syria against russia. scape goat, russia, blame russia with the economic problems that started long before long before this escalation, we've recently seen, and they can, they can play up the idea that russia is the aggressor. and that seems to be the idea here. i united states. well, it also, caleb, it solves

a lot of biden's domestic problems, doesn't it? sure, i mean, biden biden can point to russia as the state or his failing administration and can try to, you know, you know, whip up public plus you have the, are the memories of russia, gate and linking his domestic and with raj. caleb, i have to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the situation in ukraine state with when alex showing wrong, went on just a sheep out because of the african and engagement of the trail. when so many find themselves will to

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i welcome back across huck we're all things are considered. i'm peter level to, to remind you we're discussing the situation in ukraine. ah. okay, let's go back to our guest in london, you know, and watching cable news in the us. it's all emotion, it's all hysterics. but very few people are looking at the strategic ships that are going on how the world really did change on the 24th of february. and it will, i would submit to you and the effort to isolate russia will have a a boomerang effect. i think europe is going to find itself very much isolated and with very few policy options because it's now total absolute complete total dependence on the united states and the united states will use europe for its own purposes, not for europe's own interests. i submit that to you. go ahead a,

whoa again. i agree of your pizza. i mean, it is astonishing. is astonishing to, to see on such great western countries like france and germany are allowed to to this happened to europe. i mean, we know that asia, a economy economy power has shifted to asia. and what this conflict is telling to the asian economies and great powers in asia like china and india, is that they don't. i mean they, they can't trust the west really. and they will do whatever it takes to prevent this mess or curing in their hemisphere. i would say also the narrow mindedness of, you know, putting this in very, very narrow context. strictly weston or european context is simply not right. because we can see that china is unwilling, i mean, i would say, global se i'm willing to sanction or vote against russia because of the world or

international community, as they say in the western media, all in the western price. it's much louder than, than the united states and it's possible states in europe, but people don't get it. they don't understand, they can't see beyond west and u. s. dollar dominance. i mean, this is the, the front of the fundamental problem with the germany off the, a bretton woods, a financial institutions including i, m, f, and world bank. people can't see beyond it at the unit. polo moment has, i mean the beginning of the end of the unit a moment started, i would say with us withdrawal from, from a gun it's done. and now the ukranian problem, all ukrainian and the situation is another nail in the coffin of the u. s. a. gemini, so you as a germany is willing to drive the truck down and tie the western hemisphere. i mean,

to be defeated or being a partner in debt can relate to defeat rather than allowing europe to look towards west of the total was the sorry, info, stage longevity. i mean the west is dine, let us be honest. the people are the countries like india, countries like a parking spot, are not willing to listen to the countries. i mean, the detect dictatorships in the united states, even middle eastern countries like saudi arabia or emerald. he's our most recent. he, there will not be a good to get a phone call from a president biden, but they get a phone call from a president put in. so this shoot a tell a lot about the ships on the global chess board, all geopolitical chessboard, but people in western europe in europe, in general, having a very difficult time in understanding the world is changing and then

the world is slow and longer about united states and i think it's going to leave them behind michael, that basically the same question to you because you know what we're having now, we'll talk about the swift system and all of this. well, the chinese already have one. now the russians have their own version. they're probably going to connect them up here. there's going to be a lot of to economic distortions. but at the end of the day it's, it's building a world beyond the west. and in this, it had gemini, is not going to be worth much. go ahead, michael. no, no, you're actually right. this is the actually the actual launch of the multi polar world. i agree. i agree that we've, we've been talking about actually for more than 2 years, even on this program. and i, i've gotta tell you that mr. mr. potent probably thought that after a series of warnings over time and read and talking about red lines that he made a decision to go eastward. and this is what's happened. he's basically cut off the

west, the, he's, he's, he's done with the west. and that was, that is now very, very clear. and he's now looking eastward, and i think that the f in post f understand the fact that the, even the, by the administration and trying to resurrect a dian nato and the e u cracking up. you're going to see you countries now beginning to flake off and start head a more to eastward, because that's where the market is going to be. it's not going to be in the u. s. and then looking at michael, i would, i would add to that and this was my own particular thing here. i think it's did you use blankets, word over used and abused word values because there's a lot of conservative people in eastern europe and there they don't like this woke, is them from brussels and all of that. i think all of this add together her. caleb, let me go to you. i mean a, this is the great separation right now and you know what? personally, i'm not against it. ok. i actually been talking about it, particularly with michael on this program for years. that this is

a separation that's going to have to happen. it started go ahead a new organ or will wall street in london very much want to keep the world for so that they can stay rich. it's about dominating the market. they can't stand the fact. russia as big oil and gas really watch sports in competition with wall street in london, oil and energy companies. they can't stand the fact that china or phones are while a technology is then apple, american producers do. they don't want the competition. they want the world to state or, and they look at your asian economic union and the belt and road initiative. and the fact countries are rising up out of operating in alliance with russia and china . and they can't stand. and that's really what is underlying all of this at the end of the day. it's about holding back economic development. there is a feeling in particular among now what you call the anglo american establishment tickler faction of old money. it was in the united states. you can talk about the rockefellers. you can talk about, you know, wall street and we spoke that are in,

with silicon valley. they think the world needs to stay for they don't want competition. i think there are too many people in the world. they're going to drive living standards down, and this applies to the united states also. i mean, look across america right now. the roads are crumbling on our educational system is in shambles. the population is suffering, life expectancy is dropping. there was a time where they needed this prosperous american, middle class, american green, the american way, being cancelled right now. they are trying to lower the american working class to lower, you know, conditions and driving down standards, and a lot of people around the world. a lot of people here in the united states. i don't want to stand for, you know, they look at what's going on in russia. i good and, you know, we're at, there's a lot of pessimism going on. yeah. let me go to a drill in london just to echo what caleb said. i absolutely agree with him here. that's why you have to attack descent. if you have a different opinion, we have a different opinion about what's going on in ukraine or any other major foreign

policy or domestic january sex. ok. now it, this is all very, very convenient. it's a very broad brush to, to silence people. ok, i mean, will r t america will shut down because it was a dissenter. ok, go ahead in london for this, this move. so just another example of, you know, the west being desperate because they very well know that most of people are not getting that information only from the mainstream media because they know that they've been lying to them. i mean, for over, i mean, for many years. so that's why they are afraid of the fact that even the average people average joes are getting the news from via various of different sources. and they're not, you know, biting debate. they know what is happening and they are frustrated and angry with president boynton. i mean, even today was some outrageous headline in day the may here in the united kingdom.

so perhaps put it to be blame for called 19, i mean the search of a u. k. i mean, how stupid one can be. i mean, i was so happy to read the com under the, the article the, you know, regular people are not buying this because they know that they are just desperate to lie. i think that the most extreme one i've come across them was a few months ago may be less. i with some kind of, um, you k signed to said aliens will not want to visit earth because russia is an aggressive country. and i mean, i was probably in new york times, i was in new york times. it was the your opinion piece from i forgot the name of the out of ok. lorenzo i, i got his story, right. i got the scenario. i got michael way in there about civil liberties here because, you know, it's very interesting is that we had russia gade and then we had cove it day that we have ukraine gate to point out. i mean, constant tension, always making people afraid. okay, this is what they want,

and those that speak out, you know, because they, they, they, they doubt the status quo. they must be silenced. they have to be made invisible. go ahead, michael. oh, yeah. our 1st amendment, which allows for free speech, is being shut down and it's not just by government any longer. a government can shut down r t if it wants to, because of some violation of some relic or a cold war regulation somewhere. however, companies big tech is now getting into the game of, of silence seemed descent of it. and if m am cancelling you completely, rooney careers were seen this left and right, and there's no no way to defend against that except to go underground or create an alternative or an alternative world order if you will. but we're coming to that, we're coming to that point and, and this country has become so polarized, because of it and, and, and any descent is looked upon. i mean, when,

if you disagree with the policy, for example, if the, during the obama administration, you are a racist. well, no, we're not, we're not racists. and this is how they, they squelch descent. and anybody who raises a question about anything, and we're seeing that even more pronounced today. again, the racism card is being played very predominantly here to the point it has diminished the entire meaning and intent of racism and to if you. so if you descent in any way you are a racist you are at your mansell. and let me give the last, rob, let me give the last word to caleb. you know, i'm, i'm in a weird way. i'm still on twitter and i'll tell you why. i get notifications and then when i hit the you know, the notification, i can't see it. okay. i'm not allowed to post. i can't go to the home page. it's some kind of cruelty. they just keep sending me the notification and then facebook i doesn't work. okay, for me. so they've silence me,

but at least i have this i hope the i hope to be able to keep it. last word goes, do you, caleb? 15 seconds. all people arity is emerging and merging in terms of information as well. and silicon valley is not going to be able to dominate or make too much longer. we do the alternator with or in facebook that are emerging in this crisis is escalating the need to that more. they tighten at risk shot on isn't abuse. more people are going to turn elsewhere and they're going to lose their monopoly on spreading information over social. yeah, i you, this, you can only blame russia for so many things. i suppose that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks. so my guess in washington, new york and in london, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here, darky. see you next time. remember across the dock with ah

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