less responsible politicians since tonight the states who are being educated by ukrainian love, be unjust, driven by rosa for the feelings. and many of them i am congress. and as you know, they, they adopt every now in the resolutions condemning russia threatening russia. and i believe he, he, he is counting on them pushing the president and the direction of more confrontational approach. we clearly said that any, any cargo moving into your grand in theory 30, which we would believe is carrying weapons would be a fair game. and i mean this, this is clear because we are implementing the duration, the goal of which is to remove any threat to the russian federation coming from the ukranian soil. and this was part of our proposal in december last year when they

suggested that we negotiate was native security guarantees the way which would be quantifying the all agreement reaches that the highest level that no one nor country should increase of security at the expense of the security of others, so they know what that is all about. number 2, they also speak about about the missile defense. and for obvious reasons, for pragmatic reasons. they think of asking nato members who possess a soviet defense systems. to show this with them, i would like to remind the countries who might be playing with this idea that the soviet and russia made systems of missile defense. so for any other purpose are the year on the basis of inter governmental agreements on concerts,

which includes and use a certificate. and the end uses a certificate, does not allow them to send this reference to any 3rd country without though a constant. this is a legal obligation, i understand that a galaxy and legitimate and the legal obligations is not something which allison colleagues respected as this. they already know that thrown away the presumption of innocence, the private property being sacred and many other dealers on reached quote unquote, liberal values have been, have been resting for so many centuries indicates. but this is a serious matter. and i can assure you that we would not allow it. we would not allow this risks to be materialized. the purpose of our duration is to protect the civilians which have been

a bond done. sheldon murdered for the 8 years and they made it there as a military ukraine. so that, as i said, it does not possess any threat than the russian terri and the to find security guarantees which would be based on this equal indivisible security principle for your brain, for russia, for all european countries. we have been proposing this for many years, and of course, jennifer cation is an absolute must. and that includes not only canceling the laws encouraging nicest ideology and practices. but that also includes who is throwing in the legislation, which discriminates russian language and the other national minority to languages. and in general, national minority, the rights and ukraine, we should have been hugely discriminated and month.

oh, we've talked a lot about the kinetic war, but i want to ask another question about the information war. actually a few days ago, the white house had a briefing with several popular tick talkers in the united states. and they were basically, you know, briefed on a new anti russian narrative that washington wants to put forward. what do you think about such an sort of on hand, underhanded propaganda technique when it's usually russia that they're accusing of misinformation and underhanded tactics? well, we are very, very small player in the national information war. it's, it's the, the information of old information is dominated by the media belonging to the americans. the breeds, anglo saxons in general. and of course, the germans, the french of the others. it's another matter. what is the quality of those of

those information outlets. they more and more become, ah, if you take see and then they, they prefer to avoid not analytical materials. and they more and more concentrate on some reports which would be made of slogans. russia is an aggressive, a. russia is murdering her civilians. are russia is abusing sports and so on and so forth. when they, when they concentrate on the cheek talk and other resources like this. another pledge forms and when they target kids, because the dockers about young boys and girls, i believe this is an attempt to brainwash them for the rest of their life. and this is in decent and not fear. if you want for information competition,

if you want competition among media outlets, then there must be some rules. and i would remind you and your viewers that in 1090 when the soviet union was living under this new thinking concert than human values, common values for the mankind. the western colleagues in organization of security and cooperation in europe, they were pushing very actively and finding support on the soviet side. the now series of documents and i a see on the freedom of speech and excess through information. and such documents. roy endorsed by consensus and of innovation for security and cooperation in europe. these days when on your channel. and the sputnik many years ago banned from attending, for example,

press conferences in briefings in lizette in paris. ah, and when we war, saw drawing the attention of the french colleagues that this was against the commitment than though to see they were saying no, no, no, no, no. access to information is applicable only to mass media. and r t n sporting it, they're not mass media, their propaganda tools. and another example of abusing the commitments and obligations when a couple of years ago in london, there was a conference on freedom of media in the more than volts. we will not even invite that and the no russian media wasn't late. so we know the manners and the tricks which had being used by the western countries to manipulate media we,

we understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent western media . i think the 9th of states only fox news is trying to present some alternative point of view. but when you see you watch other channels. and when you, when you watch read social networks and internet blood forms, when acting, president was, was blocked. as you know. and they said no, censorship continues in very big away. and the no substitution of no notions whenever, whenever something is happening by, by the way of mess brought this mess demonstrations, which they don't like. they immediately call it the mystic theories. so

it's, it's, it's, it's a war and it's a war which involves the methods of information theories. and there is no doubt about this. the theories risk example was yesterday when bill can use paper and germany published at these. so saying that myself, on the evening of wednesday, the left more school by plane to go to china. but in the area of no vestibule ask the plane during beck, because either put in told me to come back or the chinese said, we're going to want to talk to you. it was published by, yes, it's it that the blow it, but that is a millions of corpus and it's, it's a, it's a shame that we have this herb. it's being introduced into the information volt,

bio france. and that there's not by incident put in the said about the existence of the empire fleiss. well, just one more question for you, mr. leverett. of course this conflict in ukraine is not going to go on forever. when it does come to an end, what do you foresee as the main challenges in future russia? ukraine relations? well we, we've never had any issue with the ukrainian people. i have menu growing in france, the, the 2 peoples, the very close, culturally practically all of them speak and those who don't them the stand, the russian language, culture, common history boy of life. they do use the life, traditions of families and communities. a so i home that's when this and

normally use over this will gradually come decker will have to be gradual. it can come fast because the efforts of west and colleagues to make ukraine arrows for dick and then the russian instrument and they russia as put encoded they started long ago. and they are overdue, rather deeply rooted in ukrainian mentality, especially the younger generation which was born after the demise of the soviet union. and they had been indoctrinated in the very, very healthy way. and then the efforts for taken systemically to drain military officers on the basis of ready to go. and their answer here,

which style methodology the purpose being to make sure that they would not become friendly to russia again and that they would build their nationalism nationalistic feelings. as the means to strengthen the state of the or of their country. but this, this, the therapist's, the purpose was always to make sure that russia does not have ukraine as a friend. is like as big as in ski in the late ninety's, last century he said russia was ukraine with a friend, lou gray and next to it is a super power. russia was ukraine, which is not friend at the russia is just originally. so this a concept is very deeply rooted in the minds of american policymakers. so, and it will take time to get 3 of those negative legacies.

even even now, when the armed forces, so few crane mom i fighting, threatening to trying to progress in their decreases. so this is happening because the leaders of ukraine was the help of american and the west and advisors reformed the army the way which foods the this, the radicals. but they're like, trained officers to, to, to lead all mean more or less meaningful units in the opinion, arms and this people radicalize and terrorize others. especially those who don't believe that this should be the fate of their country. and the way they

behave in the sieges, mario, but the refugees who are coming from mario, but the russia in dozens of thousands, they tell their stories. it's really threatening how this, this, this kind of people command men and women. but i'm sure the end of the day of the historic closeness to fraternal nations. so rule, so can improve on that. and on that note, mr. la ra, thanks again for giving us this interview and showing our viewers the russian viewpoint. i was a great discussion. thank you very much. ah, well, that was the russian foreign minister. so get a rav talking exclusively to ortiz donald quarter, and to some of the points he raised that these sanctions he believes are aimed at

marginalising and stopping rushes, development, and reducing russia to have 0 role in the international community. we heard there for minister le rav that the u. s. once a unique polar world, and that moscow is under no illusion that it can rely on its western partners. he also spoke about, well, at countries and delegates to the united nations general assembly. and he used the word blackmail in terms of how they voted, saying there that they had received huge threats against their bank accounts, against their children standing in the united states and so on. he also reiterated that the russian goal, in terms of its operation in ukraine, is to move any threat coming to russia from ukraine's territory. and he said again, there that russia has uncovered documents that ukrainian military was preparing a massive attack against the nets and low guns. and that they are by a chemical labs more than $300.00 that are run by the united states across the

world. many on the perimeter of russia, so russian foreign minister, so de la rav talking exclusively to arte. let's recap now. the latest events in ukraine, in the city of mario paul survivors having moved on, emerge from a shelter in a theater. after was hit by a bomb denies, it was responsible for the attack. meanwhile, a 6 western countries have accused russia of committing war crimes in ukraine. the u. k. is among the accuses saying that it has strong evidence that blood in the person is behind those crimes, and that the international criminal court will make any final decisions front claims that president putin is only pretending to be interested in peace negotiations. and joe biden has called person a murderous dictator, and a pure thug. the kremlin has slammed those words as unacceptable and unforgivable russia, in turn accuses the waste of pouring money and weapons into ukraine. and thus fueling the conflict. now sanctioned,

designed to punish russia for its actions in ukraine are beginning to hurt elsewhere to moscow. begun to retaliate against the wisdom measures by bending the export of more than 200 items to so called unfriendly states. u. s. consumers are among those feeling. the economic consequences of the anti rush of sanction the ban on russian energy imports that president biden announced march the 8th if making gasoline prices rise. along with the cost of living in general. the types come on top of the existing inflation problem, which the biden administration has been struggling with for months. consumer price inflation in europe is seeing its fastest annual jump on record. according to the us stat statistics agency, the highest spikes were recorded in the energy sector, followed by sued alcohol and other goods fuel prices that the pumps have nearly doubled in march. and it's the one that things are only going to get worse.

its predicted russia could be forced to cut a crude production by nearly a 3rd whitening a global oil supply shock. the u. k. also failed to get the middle east producers to increase supplies in a bid to mitigate some of the impact that you has agreed to subsidize households. and companies had hardest buy biking energy cost. with more now on how the cooking sanctions on russia being felt in pockets much further afield. has ortiz charlotte to been the west has repeatedly said, is not at war with russia. and i guess we are not waging war against russia. europe today, but we support the grain. we are not part of this conflict. nato is not seeking a war with russia and we are not interested in getting into world war 3 in a conventional military sense, such as on the ground that is exactly true. but unlike the warfare that is unfolding in ukraine at the moment with fruit and soldiers,

war doesn't have to be full, like fat these days into a new dimension in warfare. crippling economic sanctions. ok, so waging economic sanctions isn't exactly a new idea. in fact, us president woodrow wilson once describes true measures as being more tremendous than war. what's different this time around is the unprecedented nature of the meshes. western countries have let all hell break loose as russian banks have been cut off from the international systems. big businesses have withdrawn from trading in russia and the rubel has news dived. and in this new battlefield, everyone is feeling the sharp end of these economic weapons. certainly ordinary people primarily suffer, but we all are on the ship together. it's a common responsibility. these sanctions are not reasonable,

the matter should have been tackled through negotiations. anyway, we've already been there in 2014 and back then we managed to handle it. yeah, i guess this time around we will get through with even more success with bushing. of course there will be arise in prices. however, we shouldn't make a drama out of it. you know, i'm 82. i've been through so much with it. i remember postwar times, so now i'm reassuring all my loved ones with the main thing is that we have our country with sanctions for a long time have been viewed as a non violent strategy to deal with a whole host of threatening actions. but the economic impact of those, some experts say, isn't that different to physical conflict, both in their underlying goals and in their effects on civilian society, immigration, starvation, disease, bankruptcy. these approaches to sanctions come produce measures whose function and

consequences are identical to war. what's interesting though about economic sanctions is that they impact can have a strong blow back. russia is one of the world's top 3 oil producing states, sanctions and companies refusals to do business with it. and now curtailing oil supplies pushing the price up at the pump across the world. and for the us sanctions could see the don't let take a dolly established as the world's foremost reserve currency. in 1944, it's long being seen as a safe bet. many sovereigns, including u. s. a line countries have realised owning massive amounts of dollars lead to an illusion of stability. in any moment, a political decision could lead to that dollar reserve being frozen or seized. the big winner from all of this is likely to be the chinese you one, but i'll let current see may also get a beast,

russia and india all looking at ruby rupee trade agreement. the ruby is gaining traction elsewhere to the my and my government intends to initiate similar currency converse, ability for the indian repaid for trade along the border. it shares with india. such changes may see countries reduce dependency on the green back its 6. i think the 2nd world war has been based on the foundations of its credibility. if that loss, then it could crumble. charlotte, even sky artsy, paris. now most people trapped in the rubble of a theatre that was bombed in multiple have survived. that's according to the advisor to the ukranian interior minister, and he added that so thought no further information can be provided on the casualties. and that of which opperation is still under way. according to the cities deputy mayor, up to 1200 people had been seeking refuge in the theater. as of thursday, around a 130 people had been rescued from the rebel. the ukrainian or therapy is concerned

. kids has accused rushing forces of deliberately shedding the building. moscow rejects the claims thing far right? ukrainian military battalion was responsible ortiz, maria phenomena has more. we have been indeed receive in conflict and reports on exactly what happened in mario pulse theater. but important is that accusations started before any official verification, ukraine's president, while a humorous zalinski shortly after the news emerged. accused moscow using aeroplanes to deliberately target they building of the theatre invariable with quote, super power bombs. and he also added again before any verified information on casualties that he's hard brakes to see what russia does. ukraine's foreign minister used even stronger words to call calling to stop rushes. military criminals. meanwhile moscow called it all a lie. russia's defense ministry reported that aviation didn't complete any mission,

didn't have any tasks on that day in or around mary opal. and they also reported that ukraine's nationalist battalion of as of turned the building of the theater invariable into their base use civilians. as the human shields and blew the building up our before leaving to later blame a rush, a local residence, those who managed to escape the besieged city. talk about the same. let's take a listen. nothing is on a we were told that russian forces who are clearing the city and that we should leave the bomb shelter. we had to get to another point and suit with our small children. everything was on fire and there were no road. so we had to walk through areas that were being showed for them as of managers who are hiding behind us all the way to the point using us as a human shield. they kept us in a basement for 15 days with no and allowed to go out. children were crying and there was no water. no food or shops nearby. malicious,

put their tanks in the area and we hid because we didn't want to be shot. and when they decided to leave the theater, they just blew it up. while the fact is that the theater in mary, apple was destroyed, but who did this? and if anyone got hurt, we still continue receiving conflicting reports on that. and there is no information at this point that could be immediately or independently verified. now you pull has been under relentless bombardment since russian troops surrounded it on march. the 2nd, the russian defense ministry says the city is occupied by ukrainian extremists and local authorities have said that around 90 percent of the cities buildings have been damaged. on monday, russia stated at 10 to 450 tons of medicine, food, and essential supplies to mario, pull up to 400000 people are still for to remain there without drinking water, food, or medicine. many are trying to flee the war torn city using

a humanitarian corridor to his upper rogia, which was opened about 3 days ago. according to the central authority, as many as 30000 people managed to escape through the route so far, using their personal vehicles. those clean told us what they had to endure. we were in the cellar for almost a week, did not try to get out. strikes were so hard that it was impossible to go outside. now a large flowed, people will go through the corridors. it will only increase. there is no city there any more. there are no means of communication or radio in the cellar. there was no water. absolutely nothing was what we saw the dough next. people's army. they kept open the corridor. the evacuation was organized centrally shows, soldiers of the ukrainian army were standing on the highway in front of everyone and putting on civilian clothes in order to join the column. it is pure luck that we got out of mary. you, paul. we rushed out of the seller at our own risk. as soon as we left the city, we saw the donuts at people's army. children and women were placed in vs. i know

nothing about the men you heard of them. soldiers of the ukrainian army were very violent. people were taken hostage. they didn't let us out just to hide behind our backs. well, that brings us to the end of our boat costs for this hour. for more information please head, tell website at r t dot com and policy clear. thank you for joining us. ah ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,

ah, ah. hello in welcome to crosstalk. were all things considered? i'm funeral about when western capital face what is deemed a foreign policy dilemma. the go to position is something must be done, even if that something is counterproductive and dangerous. this is now happening when it comes to ukraine. something must be done, meals escalation. ah, discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, garland nixon in washington. he's a political analyst in percival. we have philip geraldine, he's a former cia counter terrorism specialist who is now executive director of the council for the national interest. and in budapest we cross to george 70. well, he is a podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals, or

a gentleman cross that rules and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate. okay, let's start with fill appear. obviously, we're all watching the events very closely unfold. what's going on in ukraine. we saw the ukranian president address are essentially would be a, a joint session of congress. he's talked to the canadian parliament, the u. k. parliament. and that is a very powerful propaganda element that is being played out in this conflict because i was to lot of cable tv. i don't really see much of a conflict. i hear a whole lot of commentary. so phillip, it is, he is the western war with russia, i mean, minus the nukes at this point, but it doesn't, it's never really said straightforward, this is war. well, i would, i would agree, i mean, just based on the economic warfare that is being waged against russia right now to me that's war. arming the ukrainians in

a very obvious and open way and calling for the assassination of a foreign head of state. and other gimmicks that are coming out of her u. s. congress to me are all defacto war. and it is, in fact, i think of the russian side that's being restrained year for those was, were unfortunately living in the united states. we hear a constant stream of propaganda coming out of government. and both had put in the, also the talking edge on the media. and we're not hearing the other side of one of the funny things about bo, this is that as a former intelligence officer myself, when you're trying to sell something like this, you sell a narrative. and the key to the narrative is where you start the narrative. so everything we see on television starts this whole thing 3 months ago and.