edition, so all this instincts will immediately translate that into very row. so for big policies, and by the way they do those russians should get out of ukraine, is still very much on the mind of politicians in this country. i lecture me book be the leader of the outer radical budget of border freedom and repeatedly says that we must have darrow's if occasion as he s, he says, as he calls cold calls it and the delivery location means that ethnic russians must not have their own language schuster and they, the entity in ukraine's, and so many similar things. but what is more important for us to understand the current state, the state of play, his statement by zelinski himself. so i said the alternator, cold, cold, for russians to be wiped out of premier, and president lansky in,

in september last, you said, if you believe you are irrational, if you believe you want to be russian. and if you want to be friendly with russia, go to russia. you said this just few months ago. so coming back to sentence sanctions, we will survive the measures reach, the president and the government are developing, elaborating, and being announced. and this is only the beginning of our economy to adjusting that to get the just adjusted to the new situation after 2014. as i started to say that we did gain experience to rely upon ourselves. and the, the biggest lesson from this spectacle is historic. period is unlike what we saw after 2015 that now even there was any illusion that we can one day rely on less than partners. this illusion is no longer there. we will have to rely,

oh no, now a sales and are now lice. who would stay with us? this is the, the, the main conclusion for the russia in the context of jo, politics. i think it's safe to say that russian culture specifically has become accustomed to being part of you might say, a global village of countries that share deep economic ties and enjoy traveling between each other. how do you think the sanctions are going to influence the everyday life of russians and the long term in relation to that? well, as i said, the, the assessment of what is going on in my view clearly indicates that what the american ones use unipolar bolt, which would be not like a global village,

which would be like an american village. and maybe a american saloon where, you know, who is the strongest, is calling the shots. and they said they are succeeding to, to mobilize behind themselves. and on the basis of their own interest, the entire, the entire western less than the mold. which is indicative of how independent nate members and european union members and which is indicative what, what the place the order in union, as i said, would have in the future configuration of, of the world situation and wall system dara players who would never accept the level village under the miracle sheriff and china india, brazil's, argentina, mexico. i am sure this countries do not want to be just in the position of an uncle

. sam ordered them something, and they say, yes sir. and of course, russia is not in the category of countries who would be, who would be ready to do. so actually, when people save and the americans to invest in the europeans and say that russia was defeated in the general assembly because vast majority of countries vote against the russian action in ukraine. it's misleading. because if you take the population represented by the countries who are not voting against russian. and especially if you take the number of countries who introduce sanctions against russia. majority of those who voted against us did so, and the huge pressure and the blackmail ah, including could i know this for sure,

including the threats to individual delegates regarding the assets in the united states bank accounts, children studying in universities and so on and so forth. it's absolutely not an unprecedented blackmail and pressure i was out any scruples. so majority of those countries who whoa did the, with the west, they did not, and they would not enter your sanction. cindy's rush, they believe that it's, you know, not very big price to pay for their own practical corporation was russia just to vote on something to which is needed for the worst, for him daily, propagandistic purposes. so, ah, we will be as always, open to go. duration was any one who is ready to do so on the equal basis of the basis of mutual respect and searching for balance of interests and

the countries in the east or fresher, much more, much more disposed to act on this basis. and we will certainly reciprocate for the, for the, for the benefits of both us and our partners. now we're not closing the door on the west. they are doing so. but when they come back to the census, and when this door use reopened, we will be looking at proposed projects of coal duration. was very important thing in mind to which i knew that already that we will be going into the duration with them knowing very well that we cannot be sure that they are reliable and that they are credible. as long as i'd like to take the discussion now to sort of different topic these u. s. sponsored file labs and ukraine. i mean,

for years already, russia has been trying to bring the world's attention to them and the latest piece of evidence connected to them. the russian military just put forward not too long ago with documents signed by us officials in connection to them. why do you think the world is not paying so much attention to these bio labs and will washington endurance allies be held accountable for what they're doing? they're actually, it's interesting that the special military operation launched by the president of the restaurant in duration discover many things which are very important for understanding of what is going on. recently, the military of russia together is danielle scott le ganske forces discovered dr. and some of the grain in general stuff indicating clearly that they

was preparing a massive attack against then yes, gonna look at republics. so the alteration which was launched by russia in fact preempted the threat and did not allow them to implement what they wanted to do. and they wanted to do exactly what they failed to to do implementing the music agreements. they were trying to use what they called glenn b and to take these territories by force of bloodshed in non believable sc on believable scale in addition to what they have been doing to civilians for the last 8 years. but another set of documents which was discovered these, as you said, documents related to military biological activity of the united states in ukraine. the documents for signatures of ukrainian officials, u. s. military,

those laboratories, created a being, have been created by the united states all over the world, more than 300 laboratories in various countries. many of them on the, during the of the russian federation in the former soviet republics, including ukraine. ukraine is probably the biggest project for the pentagon who is running this is show the special stance threat reduction agency over the pentagon is in charge of this biological activity. and they develop, developing very dangerous, better genes, including the plague, including brucellosis on tracks many others, which are really very dangerous. and we know that they would experimenting on the but then show infections which could be

related to the espn groups living in the east of ukraine. and in neighboring regions, so fresh we have been raising decision international organizations for a while, i would say almost more than 20 years in 2002. and we suggested that the country is participating in convention on prohibition of biological and duction weapons should develop a verification mechanism which would be transparent, which would be understood by everybody and the plight to every but because the convention itself provides for consultations, if any, but dissipating state has some suspicions or some information to be sure the states would like to clarify and the if these consultations indicate

that there is a good reason for some kind of investigation, then investigation is supposed to billing, but there is no mechanism to investigate them. there is no mechanism which would require each and every country in response to an address to provide information and the warranty transparency of his biological activity anywhere. didn't your own territory or abroad by the way, the american some years ago decided that that is too dangerous to do the sink. these things on their own soil. so they moved all this threatening and dangerous activities to other countries and more and more, they concentrate the research and experiments around the borders of the russian federation and chain. so we will be insisting on this issue to be picked up by the by jackal weapons convention. but also by the security council, because it's

a clear threat to international peace and security. and the, the meeting of the security council, initiated by the russian federation, is taking place on the 18th of march itself. and we will be again, emphasizing the importance of negotiating the legally binding protocol to the convention on biological weapons, which would be require obligatory transparency measures by any participating state. the americans of north life is known would be against it. but this position of this of them is not, there's not defendable. i am convinced that more and more countries understand how dangerous this this plan is. and we will continue to fight the whole thing on the topic of washington's role and all of this. i mean, there's been a lot of talk specifically from zelinski calling for weapons to come to his country

from the west. he's talked about a demand for establishing a no fly zone over ukraine. and this is something that joe biden just recently, again said is not going to happen because that would leads no doubt to outright war between russia and nato and the united states. why do you think ukraine is so desperately trying to make some sort of scenario like that happened while they st. ukraine understands the joe biden. what they like to think of some of his statements is very experience petition and he understands that that is absolutely in admissible to, to establish something like a no fly zone to provide the planes to drain and to do other things which will bring the risk of direct confrontation between nathan, russia just, you know, immediately, skills understands there are much more, much less responsible politicians and united states who are being educated by

ukrainian love, be, and jazz very run by rosa for the feelings. and many of them i am congress. and as you know, they, they adopt every now in the resolutions condemning russia threatening russia. and i believe he, he, he is counting on them pushing the president in the direction of more confrontational approach. while we clearly said that any, any cargo moving into ukrainian theory 30, which we would believe is carrying weapons would be a fair game. and i mean this, this is clear because we are implementing the duration, the goal of which is to remove any threat to the russian federation coming from the ukranian. so and this was part of our proposal in december last year,

when suggested that when you go sheet was native security guarantees the way which would be quantifying the all agreement reached at the highest level that no one, no country should increase of security at the expense of the security of others. so they know what that is all about. number 2, they also speak about about the missile defense and the 4 of his reasons for pragmatic reasons. they think of asking nato members who possess a soviet defense systems. to shoot this with them, i would like to remind the countries who might be playing with this idea that the soviet and the russia made systems of missile defense. so of any other purpose of the year on the basis of inter governmental agreements on concerts,

which includes and the user certificate and the end user. it says certificate does not allow them to send this reference to any 3rd country without though a consent. this is a legal obligation. i understand that the galaxy and legitimate and the legal obligations is not something which allison colleagues are respected place they already, you know, thrown away the presumption of innocence, the private property of being sacred and many other dealers on reached quote unquote. liberal values have been, have been resting for so many centuries, indicates, but this is a serious matter and i can assure you that we would not allow it. we would not allow this risks to be materialized. the purpose of our duration is to protect the civilians which have been

a bond done. sheldon murdered for the 8 years and dimly there as a military ukraine. so that, as i said, it does not possess any threat than the russian, jerry and the to find security guarantees which would be uh, based on this equal indivisible security principle for your brain, for russia, for all european countries. we have been proposing this for many years, and of course dennis of vacation is an absolute must. and that includes not only cancelling the laws encouraging nicest ideology and practices. but that also includes, was throwing in the legislation which discriminates russian language and the other national minority languages. and in general, national minority rights and ukraine, which have been hugely discriminated and defend.

or we've talked a lot about the kinetic war, but i wanted to ask another question about the information war. actually a few days ago, the white house had a briefing with several popular tick talkers in the united states. and they were basically, you know, briefed on a new anti russian narrative that washington wants to put forward. what do you think about it is such an sort of on hand, underhanded propaganda technique when it's usually russia that they're accusing of misinformation and underhanded tactics? well, we are very, very small player in the national information war. it's the, the information of the old information is dominate that, that by the media belonging to the americans. the breeds, anglo saxon, so in general, and of course of the germans, the french and the others. it's another. what is the quality of those of those

information outlets. they more and more become, oh, if you take see, and then they prefer to avoid an elliptical materials and they more and more concentrate on some reports which would be made of slogans. russia is an aggressive a. russia is murdering her civilians. russia is abusing the sports and so on and so forth. when they, when they concentrate on the cheek token, that the resources like this. another pledge forms and when they target kids, because the stock is about young boys and girls. i believe this is an attempt to brainwash them for the rest of their life and this as indecent and not fear. if you want for information and competition, if you want competition among good media outlets,

then there must be some rules. and they would remind you and your viewers that in 1990 when the soviet union was living under this new thinking concert than the o human values, common values for the mankind. the western colleagues in organization of security and cooperation in europe, they were pushing very actively and finding support on the soviet side. the no series of documents and no c on freedom of speech and excess through information. and such documents. roy endorsed by consensus in organization for security and cooperation in europe. these days when on your channel. and the sputnik many years ago banned from not attending, for example,

breast conferences in briefings in lizette in paris. ah, and when we war, saw drawing the attention of the french colleagues that this was against their commitment the notice see, they were saying no, no, no, no, no excess. the information is applicable only to mess media and our dns put new. they're not miss me. did their propaganda tools and another example of abusing the commitments and obligations when couple of years ago in london, there was a conference on freedom of media in the more than volts, we will not even invite and the no russian media wasn't. so we know the manners and the tricks which had being used by the western countries to manipulate media we,

we understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent western media . i think they neither states only fox news is trying to present some alternative point of view. but when you see you, which are the channels and when you, when you watch read the social networks and the internet platforms, when acting president was, was blocked. as you know, and they said no, censorship continues in very big away. and the no substitution of no notions whenever, whenever something is happening by, by the way of mess brought this mess demonstrations, which they don't like. they immediately call it the mystic theories. so

it's, it's, it's, it's a war and it's a war which involves the methods of information. there isn't, there is no doubt about this. the very interesting example was yesterday when billed the newspaper in germany published a piece saying that myself on the evening of wednesday, left moscow by playing to go to china. but in the area of nowhere severe sc the plane during beck. because either boot and told me to come back or the chinese said, we don't want to talk to you. it was published by yes it's it that the lawyer but that there's millions of curtis and it's it's, it's a shame that we have this habits being introduced into the information world by

over france. and that is not by, by incident that pigeon said about the existence of the empire of life. well, just one more question for you miss elaborate. of course this conflicts in ukraine is not going to go on forever. when it does come to an end, what do you foresee as the main challenges in future russia? ukraine relations? well, we've never had any issue with the ukrainian people. i have menu growing in france. the 2 peoples very close. culturally, practically all of them speak. and those who don't there understand the russian language, culture, common history, boy of life added to the life, traditions of families and communities. so i hope that when this and

normally is over, this will gradually come back, it will have to be gradual. it can come back fast because the efforts of west and colleagues to make ukraine arrows for dick and then they rush an instrument and they russia as put encoded they started long ago. and they are already deeply rooted in ukrainian mentality, especially the young generation which was born after the demise of the soviet union. they had been indoctrinated in the very, very good way. and then the efforts for taken systemically to drain military officers on the basis of radical and their answer here. which style methodology

the purpose being to make sure that they would not become friendly to russia again and that they would build their nationalism nationalistic feelings. as the means to strengthen the statehood of the or of their country. but this, this, the therapist, the purpose was always to make sure that russia does not have ukraine as a friend. it's like as big as in ski in the late ninety's, last century he said russia was ukraine. was a friend, lu crane next to it is a super power. russia was ukraine, which is not friend at the russia is just originally. so this a concept is very deeply rooted in, in the minds of american policymakers. so, and it will take time to get 3 of those negative legacies.

and even, even now, when the armed forces of ukraine are fighting, trying to trying to progress in their crisis. this is happening because the leaders of ukraine was the help of american and the west and advisors reformed the army the way which foods the this, the radicals. but they're like trained officers to, to, to lead. all mean more, less meaningful units in the cranial arms. and this people radicalize and terrorize others, especially those who don't believe that this should be the fate of their country. and the way they behave in the cjis and mario. but the refugees who are coming from

mario, but the russia in dozens of sullivan's, they tell their stories. it's really threatening how this, this, this kind of people command men and women. but then sure, at the end of the day the historic closeness of to for, to, on the nation. so will, so can improve on that let and on that. now, mr. law, rob, thanks again for giving us this interview and showing our viewers the russian viewpoint. i was a great discussion. thank you very much. ah.

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