back down the american establishment, he did this advice that more than 70 years later, it seems to be eager to test it out with another nuclear power. can be conflict in an over your crane grow into a wider regional, perhaps even global confrontation. well, to discuss that i'm now joined by a retard major general of the indian army and the attitude of the indian military review, debug. she's back too great to talk to you. great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thank you. and now into introduce the world to one of the greatest non violent resistance traditions. i think we all like to consider ourselves to be children of mahatma again, it's also a home to one of the stronger armies in the world. you've given that institution many years, many decades, in fact, of your life as a named him, as a spiritual person under the general i one day. how do you look at war?

when do you find it? if not acceptable, then at least understandable? look good at your tradition as a traditional right? yes. or just when you are fighting or just cause well then you there is no other option that you have exhausted. all right? all methods. ok. and then the other side of the bank, you know, looking for a country that i'm afraid you have to take off of it does cover to start to take off, then that is the tradition of the idea was that i should've responded what you as well we call it just but you know, as i'm sure you would agree with me and it's hard to find an appointment to complete, that doesn't believe that they are fighting. and i'm just for everybody who finding believe that they are on the right side of history. when you look at what's

happening between russia and ukraine, how easy is this for you to figure out who is in the right and who is in the wrong? let me be one of them. i am a soldier. my 1st concern is my company and its perfection love, but in need of integrity. i'd be doing everything that maximizes on national and let me explain that i joined the army and 1971 as a young 2nd didn't i? you was please fall into the 1971 bought a well, the boxes starting ami a big property of the people of is that a bundle of issues that we did? 1000000000 given credit. and then when that bundle of issue, we didn't do it as what you had gotten back to fight because we were to

stop the event. you know, that would have been a, that was a time. and it was getting, well, good soviet option, but why we're going to fight that. then bentley will push back to the wall. mr. tried everything. and at the end of it on the critical rock. in fact the, then we had broken fucking on a bomb. i think of 90000. so it was a desk rob, it was a great victory. and let me tell you about the question. i stood by that not out of the b a. now i think it would probably agree with me that for russia in the military operation is unlike any other. and it's clearly has a certain fraction cycle tone to it. it's a, it's very hard for any russian to see what's going on in ukraine, regardless of whether we support their government decision of whether we oppose it

simply because of the human ties within countries and the questions i want to ask you as a military man and this man, all strategic mine is dated question you politically, but i think emotionally and historically still very press. what do you think an operational like that would have been avoid it? i think a little bit of historical background would be essential when the savvy, if you will, ops to the been american. but they could give me a shot president, but that they would not expand one in history or you forget one. and then then now i can't believe well, which will probably be the public's of the union, which are members of the fact i couldn't, you know, in the middle and the last line of defense,

a lot of russian maybe had, well, you could judge you. oh no country is black. i like, i don't have the amount that i would like as a guy, obviously you will be a the best buy the right. right. so you will need more states. that was what i understand. well, then in 2000 in august at the conference in which it was decided by the american absorb still currently on. so that was the time that the that said, these are out of that like these don't cross them. and unfortunately the deadline was crossed. good. yeah, and then the russian went into action. in 4 days, they had a dog russian. the problem is that after about 5 to 7 on sci fi, they located them all. but

a guy did it different. the next the location when, when people then young, risky. yeah, the russian president for the odyssey a, well, i know once again there was talk, you can join the russia. i said you're going to join nato and you know, just the, i'm out of any of the, of them. but they have, they have to go there again, rush out a food and then you know the militia and there was a light. ok, thank you for this very brief overview of history and say it's hard for me to find

somebody who actually knows the context of our little neighborhood. but i wonder if i'm the bigger problem for recent. he was not even in the abstract intention on the part of your brain to join nature, but very practical, an army of ukraine with all kinds of armaments. and the question i have for you is whether you believe that neither countries, the west was pumping ukraine. this back precisely because of the calculation that russia would never, ever allow self and military action against me for historical and human reason. the 2 of the greatest american know you wanted to go find it out for me. and let me tell you what you said. you know it and this eastern expansion of mental as being a tragic mistake. george gave on

a but when on 2nd made i did the american that to fight. i think, i believe we have signed up with a pension or so with i'll put it, you know, last year in july there was a big out of minutes the exercise in your grade in which american honest truth is live to submit this lead. you know, you claim to believe that if it was shot it over on the ground, they would, i would go like, nothing ever started happen. and i personally, frankly think it is highly in them all, all for the united states. you wish you're good to fight that i should the book,

but i should be i and then leave them. i would write this i'm, i'm still fighting the russian with the lost your credit for that i thought was what i need. well, in december and december, there was a major, a, b by, you know, the united states have been the but i still go, you good. and, and the united states website for a ship, a, b, b, all these, what propagation, the american parts, the parts that russia is b, b, i, b, economic, b, w. and therefore it would be a starting of it. but it is the minute to the benefit factors which are you know,

as well as i show as now. good luck with that the united states padded and bubble across the, especially with the s 400. it can carry out and be accessed and then i got to stop it up. and i fact america is in no position. i don't wanna get russia back. you know, this is actually a very interesting point. i really do anything. most technical analysts would agree and weapons analysts would agree that russia has a logical action over the americans right now when it comes to strategic governments. but it seems that the last try to, i keep russia where for the most, my actually coming ever closer to the russian boys with conventional weapons and all the churches that were traditionally considered by russia as you know, cars or if not territory. but at least, you know, it's historical landscape. so in

a way that it was also a cunning move. don't you think that trying to try to turn the crank and i guess russian as a way of i'm doing, whining, rushes, and being a logical superiority. no. that is precisely what i'm saying, that it is in the convention that russia has not only close the guy, but in that, that a lot. and you see russia already has the edges. so you can have a big problem $300.00 plus. you can run it by 1500, or you're not sure i have the design. i put on the light is i russia has an egg with the critical thing is the a conventional weapons which has been a russia. why? what is the right? you're not going to mention the benefit of it and you see,

i'm not saying, i'm not saying a lot of good, a good one. thank you said trying to bring judge. yeah. and you're going to put it all was going all the judge, get up expansion was a mistake nissan expansion. or i think you read the bottom of it and not as is being made out of the western media a desire to recreate the soviet union. while general we have taken very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. mm. mm. i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a

robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about personal intelligence at that point. obviously is to great trust rather than fear with the area with artificial intelligence. real. somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with oh, no one, no son, no, not a joke. no, no, no more real to what the ship unit 731 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was

to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever. no. ah welcome back to wells afford retired major general of the engine army, editor of the indian military review, g back general. actually before the break, you mentioned the russian president, you recently made a point in announcing the celebration, put in and made a clear declaration of war, of the kind that used to be a don back in the 19th and 20th century. he essentially went on public media

and announced that to russia and the rest of the world, what russia was going to do, obviously you can't read his mind, but why do you think such a declaration was important to him? you are absolutely right. it's a very interesting you started the process. the fact is that if the all i've gone i'll go well what i went out of fashion after the 2nd world we have not received a. busy vision of all the, you know, when there was a problem, you know, they never let a conflict graph a point that the food was coming, got it. and number 2, there was no ostensible declaration, health problems. and i don't know that i will be understand where the stand a stand, the 1st on the 2nd world war where there was a displacement. but it was

a lot of in against one of these, which was just, you know, just before this board for president, i'm back on there just then the game and discuss them in spoke to why did and then he had asked the russian pardon, but it's just that there was any john, so we did, he saw that. he says yes, it appears to be somebody not a b, b, b a y, a u. and we'll discuss all the discussions. i, you know, i'm pretty good. there will be no change. well then again, i think that's the address that has to be unlocked. now if

you haven't left it off, well, there's lots of outreach in a western world in what's media with regards to russia's actions. and as i said, this is a painful situation for many russians to end up taking it easily. but one thing i, you know, after covering many work in my internal is to korea, one thing that i kind of understand is all these moral and ethical outrage over still a limit that military action in ukraine when the western audience has been all but aloof to all the blocks that have been going on in the world over the last couple of days. i think the west has trivialized a normalized war lonely go. and my question to you is, why do you think people in the west, the treating this more as something absolutely exceptional as the end of the world is something that has never happened before. we're actually look at the map and the

number of refugees, the number of people killed, the number of people in hunger in the number of countries destroyed. you know, this is the reality that has been going on for many, many years. let me tell you, when you're united, i backed it up. you know, there was a, a level. what did you have a list of media, a boston like that a good that company was and so the bill came back to us. it all was to start with the american bar. when the american, the fact you have a back up in this country with again, but did you have a good then a 2nd when the americans went to ship

with, i mean i can give those examples. so i don't really what i do is like a well i think a lot of the be a. busy except the fact that you have russia, you have pushed it against the want it over to me. i think i don't think we should be surprised. general, i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think over the last couple of years on the western russia have been involved in what i would call the end of history made because americans, in the former se secretary can believe, arise. what we're trying to tell russian specifically in the cold war is over

and russia has lost. that is a specific quote from kind of lisa, right, which was surprisingly at the 2008 with was present and where georgia and ukraine were indeed very conspicuously given the green light for the prospect of membership. and in response to all, all the major talk, russia continued to says that whatever is the american view of history in the history process, russia still has a strategic see here, the interest on it will define that way. how do you see these a historical debate developing from now on a, the american geopolitical? you said it was an opportunity for president by to react strategically. what was happening. you couldn't look over the structure of the european going to be

the one of the arms control agreements. we did become an attribute at last and elevate the we're going to take that as india, as we think the lead to demand, to get it done. all of it, i think it's you see if you deny that a lot, you know, on the leave a spread democracy. well, i part communism. russia led to walk to see how much of our democracy as you may have your plan for b, r a, b, or any of the united states a, you know, i know 2nd to them either. so how is it that the american democracy is superior to the one of the video to the wanted it on anybody?

i mean, you know, democracy, be all about the pop with the people. so the point is that i'm sorry that i have the problems of the word. well, the 2nd for the 2nd one. well, if they want to get it from you or i didn't get it going to be a a, you're going to also be able to do it. so we have to thank you. have a general, as you understand, such a drastic action that russia has allowed itself to t is bound to have certain international consequences. and i want to ask you about a broader geopolitical context. do you think are international players will change the way they present themselves as an interest defined their interest on the global stage? and in the aftermath of

a operation that she's on her team, you know, as a study, i see the end of the unit all over the united states was it was the phone for what the i think is the, is the coming. felicia on a once again 5 people out of the global or don't forget the started off and the 1st one, what happened? it was a multiple art and the 2nd world war happened. it was a lot of people are. and now that we have, and i bet i think or the order list, you'll find that there was water on the words like butt and quick. we're like what we have already done with it. and the rest of the world is that this is becoming ready that he think that as

a reaction will be operation special operation. if you're the best and i will have you all that. so you can all the sanction on russia. right. and the simple fact is, you would think that rush haven't been invented. so like a $99.00, you brought it to collapse and not if you haven't read them, you know, special, right. and if the way i've seen this, i've got a big easily, you know, escalate beyond control. didn't do that because you know, to exchanges and the like which would be got us profit for the vote. can i ask you one last strategic and tactical question, because there are many analysts now that i'm looking at china and some of them are suggesting that meeting will be presented with the most over to moment to take control over time. want immediately after russia finishes it's knowledge operation

. and you can precisely because the western ability penalizing sanctions on to china will be very limited and would essentially mean b weekend of the western economic dominance. do you think that's? that's a real possibility. you think that may come to pass on? may i remind you, you see history men are exactly the people that i could find when the cuban crisis happen. john jones, that opportunity. you get a price to go out of my god, i'm back in 1962 a for a particular a possibility. and then i live in the back room with the chinese and

then i want them not to do this. the simple fact is that if the technical factors, if you need to shop this, it was in the conventional and then you know, but if you need me to pick on that edge or the united states, i like it for the better to be at one thing and it's on backyard, i'm afraid china as off now. that's not a good one for all of the united states. and the combination of against it, in case it decides to take a look at it and up. and then you, i don't like, i don't think it would be the effect of, you know, let but to see if i don't want to do that. that's perfect. that would be there because that are huge population invest in

a but i think that would be what happens or and finally, general, i began our conversation by quoting the american general omar bradley and i want to finish it another call of his he's not that american back in the and i can see was running on the god, lee asked history one moment to run down. god, how america should look like really needs to help us all to find common, sound, wisdom, mercy, strategic, thinking, compassion and mutual respect. we are the main condition for lasting peace. i really prayed for that. thank you very much for being with us today. i hope you are sure i will do all the nature of the word. i hope all, most of it have to stop all a guy. well, i think that has been i'll,

i'm sure it's going to be a accept that he doesn't want to join it. or if you had said this 25 days back, they would not have been all that destruction even now in a way out. by the way, i'm sure this will happen and i'm sure we would be happier time that i thank you all very interesting program. thank you very nice, but reach out to our question. thank you and thank you to our audience for watching hope to see you again. next week i will depart. ah mm

hm. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. so see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time time to sit down and talk a news and tags on other countries. we have a responsibility for the whole world and we need to make rules for the rest.

because without us, there will be k i d o, you plane to place it inside martial law to temporarily bad, 11 opposition parties for the suppose it pro, russian stands. the parties warned vladimir valencia's move is illegitimate. civilians and the next town are trapped in a destroyed hospital after ukrainian troops allegedly opened fire at it from a tank. or should have been sitting in this basement for more than 2 weeks. i have even lost track of what date is the fighters. we're all based here on the 2nd on 3rd force and conducted an active hostilities from the hospitals territory. we had about 400 civilians in the basement. here the fighters knew this and 100 pit the space of pizza to protest italy's and major shipping of weapons from bay to ukraine

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