in 950 back down the american establishment. he did this divide that more than 70 years later, it seems to be eager to test it out with another nuclear power. can be conflict in an over your crane grow into a wider regional, perhaps even global confrontation. well, to discuss that i'm now joined by a retard major general of the indian army and the attitude of the indian military review debug. she's actually great to talk to you. great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thank you and be now into introduce the world to one of the greatest non violent resistance traditions. i think we all like to consider ourselves to be children of mahatma again, but it's also a home to one of the stronger armies in the world. you've given that institution many years, many decades, in fact, most of your life as a named him, as a person under the general i one day. how do you look at war one?

do you find it if not acceptable, then at least understandable a tradition as a traditional right? yes. or just when you are fighting or just cause well then you there is no other option that you have exhausted. all right, all methods. ok. and then the other side of the bank, you know, looking for conflict, vendor, wondering beverage, do you think that i'm afraid you have to take off of it does cover to start to take off then that is the tradition of the idea was that i should've responded well, yours won't be color just want to, but you know, as i'm sure you would agree with me and it's hard to find an appointment to counseling that doesn't believe that they are fighting. and i'm just more everybody who's fighting believe that they are on the right side of history. when you look at

what's happening between russia and ukraine, how easy is it for you to figure out who is in the right and who is in the wrong? let me be one of them. i am a soldier. my 1st concern is my company and it's for fiction. solve it in need of an integrity. i'd be doing everything that maximizes on national and that that may be straightforward. but i joined the army and in 1971 as a young 2nd didn't i? it was please call into the 1971 bought a. well, a big a deal of the people lot of is that a bundle of issues that we did? 1000000000 event and then the bundle of issues that we didn't do it as what you had gotten back to fight because you were to stop the event. you know,

that would have been a that was a time when it was getting well, good soviet option, but why we're going to fight that. then we'll push back to the wall. mr. tried everything at the end of it, but it could cost a lot. in fact the, then we had broken pocket on a bomb. i think 90000. so it was a desk rob, it was a great victory. and let me tell you about the question. i stood by that in and out of the b a. now i think you would probably agree with me that for russia in the military operation is unlike any other. and it's clearly has a certain fraction cycle tone to it it's, it's very hard for any russian to see what's going on in ukraine,

regardless of whether we support or government decision of whether we oppose it simply because of the human ties within countries. and the questions i want to ask you as a strategic mine is dated question you politically, but i think emotionally and historically still very press. what do you think an operational like that would have been avoid it? i think a little bit of historical background would be essentially when the soviet union collapsed. if i think the was the been american, but they could give me a short president, but that they would not expand one in history or you forget one. and then then, now i can't believe well, which will probably be the publics of the union, which are members of the wall. so i couldn't, you know, in the middle and the last line of defense that the russian lady had. the buffer,

as russian maybe had. well, you could judge, you know, country is black. i like we're going to have the might be in the amount that i would like as a guy, obviously you will be a, the best buy the right. right. so you will need one more stage. that was what i understand. well then in 2000 in august we're at the conference in which it was decided by the american absorb. the still, frankly, also that was the time that the russian, that said, these are out of that like these don't cross them. and unfortunately, the deadline was crossed. good. yeah. and then the russian went into action. in 4 days, they had a dog russian. the problem is that after about 5 to 7 on sci fi, there located them all for

a defense. the next the location. when, when people beat, then young, risky. yeah, the russian president for the odyssey a, well, i know once again there was talk, you can join the russia. i said, you know, you're going to join the nato. and you just the, i'm that of any of the soviet libby and then back to, you know, they again, rush out a food and then you know, the militia and then there was a light. ok, thank you for this very brief overview of history and say it's hard for me to find

somebody who actually knows the context of our little neighborhood. but i wonder if i'm the bigger problem for recent. he was not even in that abstract intention on the part of your brain to join nature, but very practical, an army of ukraine with all kinds of armaments. and the question i have for you is whether you believe that neither countries, the west was pumping ukraine. this precisely because of the calculation that russia would never, ever allow self and military action against me for historical and human reason. the 2 of the greatest american know when it becomes funded for me. and let me tell you what you said, you know it and this eastern expansion of mental as being a tragic mistake. george gave on

a but when on 2nd made i did the american that is an active fight. i believe we have signed up with a pension, or are you serious? may i you know, last year in july there was a bit of minutes the exercise of your grade in which american honest truth is live, dissipated. this lead. you know, you claim to believe that if it was shot it over on the ground, it would, i would go like, nothing of this has happened. and i personally, frankly think it is, i mean them all, all for the united states, you wish you're going to fight that?

i should, i should be i and then leave them. i would write this, i'm on school. i think the russian lost your credit for that. i thought was need, well, in december and december there was a major a, b by, you know, the united states have been a still good you good. and, and the united states website for a ship, a, b, b, all these, what propagation, the american parts, the parts that russia is b, b, i, b, economic, b, w. and therefore it would be a starting of it. but it is the minute to the when it to the fact us, which out it you know,

a russia as now. good luck with that the united states padded and bubble across the, especially with the s 400. it can carry out and be accessed and then i got to stop it up and i fucked. a position. i don't wanna rush as back here. this is actually a very interesting point. i really do anything. most technical analysts would agree and weapons analysts would agree that russia has a logical action over the americans right now when it comes to strategic governments. but it seems that the last try to, i keep russia where for the most, my actually coming ever closer to the russian boys with conventional weapons and all the churches that were traditionally considered by russia as you know, cards or if not this territory. but at least, you know,

it's historical landscape. so in a way that it was also a cunning move. don't you think that to trying to try to turn the crank and i guess russian as a way of honoring whining, rushes logical superiority. no, that is precisely what i'm saying, that it is in the convention that russia has not only close the guy, but in that, that a lot. and you see russia already has the edge. you go, you want a $6300.00 plus. you can run it by 1500. all your blood pressure has the design. i put on the lights. i. russia has an egg with the critical thing is the a conventional weapons which has been a russia. why? what is right. you're not going to mention the benefit of it

and you see, i'm not saying, i'm not saying a lot of good, a good one. thank you said trying to bring judge. yeah. and you can even put it was going all of the judge, get up expansion wasn't magic mistake. the is fraud expansion, or i think you read the bottom of it and not as is being made out of the western media. it does pull things desire to recreate the soviet union, while general we have to take in very short break right now, but we will be back in just a moment. mm. mm hm. with no one. no, no, no. hon. hello, job. no,

no. what goal more? real to what the ship unit 731 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever known. ah

ah welcome back to wells important, retard major general, the engine army, editor of the indian military review, to get back to general actually before the break, you mentioned the russian president. and he recently made a point in announcing the celebration, put in and made a clear declaration of war, of the kind that used to be a done back in the 19th and 20th century. he essentially went on public media and announced that to russia and the rest of the world was russia was going to do obviously, you can't read his mind, but why do you think such a declaration was important to him?

you are absolutely right. it's a very interesting you started the process. the fact is that if the all i've gone, i'll go, well, i went out of fashion. after the 2nd world, we have not received a declaration of war. and the point is, you know, when there was a problem, you know, they, they were like a conflict graph a point, but that was what i mean. got it matched. and number 2, there was no ostensible declaration health problems. and i don't know that when i, oh, maybe understand, i understand most of the i've been on the 1st on the 2nd floor where there was a good displacement. but it was a lot of in against one of these, which was just, you know, just before this board for president and michael on there. and then

the game and discuss them within spoke to why did and then he had asked the russian, i don't, but it's just that there was any john did he saw that? he says, yes, it appears to be somebody, not a, b, b, b, a y, a u. and we'll discuss all the discussions. i, you know, i'm pretty good. there will be no change. well then they'll go again. i think that's the address that has to be unlocked. now if you haven't left it on option b, there's lots of outreach in a western world, in media with regards to russia's actions. and as i said, this is a painful situation for many russians to end up taking it easily. but one thing i,

you know, after covering many words, a journalist, korea, one thing that i kind of understand is all the moral and ethical outrage over still a limit that military action in ukraine when the western audience has been all but aloof to all the blocks. that have been going on in the world over the last couple of days. i think the west has trivialized a normalized war lonely go. and my question to you is, why do you think people in the west of treating this for as something absolutely exceptional as the end of the world is something that has never happened before? we're actually look at the map and the number of refugees, the number of people killed, the number of people in hunger and the number of countries destroyed. you know, this is the reality that has been going on for many, many years. let me tell you,

when you're united, i backed it up. you know, there was a, a, what did you have a list of media, a light that the best company was. and so the bitter came back to us. it all was to start the american road. when the american, the fact you have a good that can happen, this country was again, love did you have a good then i get off of the 2nd when the americans with, with, i mean i can give those examples. so i got to be what i

do is like a well i think a lot of the be a. busy except the fact that you have russia, you have pushed it against the want it over to me. i think i don't think we should be surprised. general, i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think over the last couple of years, the western russia have been involved in what i would call the end of history made because americans, in the former se secretary can believe, arise. what we're trying to tell russian specifically in the cold war is over and the russia has lost. that is a specific quote from kind of lisa, right, which was surprisingly, as the 2008 with was present and where

georgia and ukraine were indeed very conspicuously given the green light for the prospect of membership. and in response to all of all the major talk, russia continued to says that whatever is the american view of history in the history process, russia still has a strategic see here, the interest on it will define that way. how do you see these a historical debate developing from now on a, be american geopolitical? you said it was an opportunity for residents to react strategically. whatever was happening. you can look over the start of the european going to be the one of the arms control agreements we did with an attribute of water left

last elevate 0 to go to the to take that as india, as we think the demand to get it done. all of it, i think it's you see if you deny that a lot, you know, on the leave a spread democracy. well, i part communism russia. i had to walk to see how much of our democracy as you live, you pay for b r a to be on any of the united states a, you know, i was 2nd to, to them either. and so how is it that the american democracy is superior to the one of the video to the wanted it on anybody? i mean, you know, democracy be all about the people. so the point is that i'm sorry that i have the problems of the word, but the 2nd for the 2nd one. well,

if they want to get it from you on a, you're going to also be able to do it. so we have to thank you. have a general, as you understand, such as drastic action that russia has allowed itself to t is bound to have certain international consequences. and i want to ask you about a broader geopolitical context. do you think they're international players will change the way they present themselves as an inch, as defined their interest on the global stage in the aftermath of a operation that roughly on taking you know, as a study, i see the end of the unit on the united states was,

it was the, what the, i think is the, is the big felicia of the all once again, 5 people out of the global or don't forget the started off. and the 1st one, what happened? it was a multiple art. and the 2nd world war happened. it was a month before the order. and now that we have, and i bet i think for the order list, you will find that there was water on the words like butt and quick like what we have already done with it. i'm in the rest of the world is that this is becoming already made the fire that as a reaction will be operation special operation. if you're the best of problems, have you all that so you can all the thank you on russia. right. and the simple fact is, do you think that the rush haven't been invented?

so like a 99, you brought it to collapse and not if you haven't read them, you know, special, right. and if the way i think it easily, you know, escalate beyond control. get into that because you know, to exchanges and the like, which would be got us profit for the vote. can i ask you one last strategic and tactical question, because there are many analysts now that i'm looking at china and some of them are suggesting that meeting will be presented with the most over to moment to take control over time. want immediately after russia finishes it's knowledge operation . and you can precisely because the western ability penalizing sanctions on to china will be very limited and would essentially mean b weekend of the western economic dominance. do you think that that's

a real possibility. you think that may come to pass on? may i remind you, you see history men are exactly the people that i could find when the cuban crisis happen. john jones, that opportunity. you get a price to a guy not back in 1962 a for a, a possibility. and then i live in the back room with the chinese and then i want them not to do this. the simple fact is that if the technical factors, if you need to do this because in the conventional and then you could,

if you need it, i think on that edge or the united states. i like it for the but if we had one thing and it's on backyard, i'm afraid china as of now, that's not a good one. been over the united states. and the combination of against that intensive decides to take a look at it end up and then you, i don't like bite on the what would be the effect of, you know, let me do that. see if i don't want to do that. that's perfect. i think would be there because that are huge population invest in a abilities that would be what happens or . and finally general, i began our conversation by quoting the american general omar bradley and i want to

finish it. another call of his american back in the ninety's was running on the golf. lee asked the story one document to run down. god, how america should look like really needs to help us all to find common sense with mercy, strategic thinking, compassion and mutual respect. we are the main condition for lasting peace. i really prayed for that. thank you very much for being with us today. i hope you are sure i will do all the nations of the lord. i hope all, most of it have to stop a guy. well, i think that has been like, i'm sure it's going to be a back to except that he doesn't want to join it out. that there's 25 days back.

there would not have been all that the structure even now in a way out by the way. i'm sure this will happen and i'm sure i'll be happy or time that i thank you. very interesting. thank you very nice, but reach out to our question. thank you, and thank you to our audience for watching hope to see you again. next week i will depart ah ah,

in united states a news and tax on other countries and i'm exemptions are, are often just the beginning. another thing you like to do is place some military pressure on the countries that you're talking about and there has to be an effort to demonize that country and the leader of that country. we have a responsibility for the whole world. and we need to make rules for the rest because without out there will be in

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