[000:00:00;00] a so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic, development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very critical time to sit down and talk with

me and walk which was important their own war at the wrong place at the wrong time and when they're wrong. and i mean, this is how the 5 star years general omar bradley advocated against extending the korean war to china in 1915 back down the american establishment heated the civilized. but more than 70 years later, it seems to be eager to test it out with another nuclear power can be conflict in an over ukraine grow into a wider regional, perhaps even global confrontation. well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by a retired major general of the indian army. i'm the editor of the indian now try review g back. she yelled back to great to talk to you. great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thank you and now introduce the world to one of

the greatest non violent resistance traditions. i think we all like chickens. there is to be spiritual children of my god. it's also home to one of the strongest armies in the world. and, you know, given that institution many years, many days, in fact, of your life as an indian, as a spiritual person, and as a general i one. yeah. how do you look at more? why do you find it? if not acceptable, then at least understandable a tradition as a traditional right? yes. or just when you are, i think part are just going well then you there is no other option that you have exhausted. all right. all right. and then if the other side of it then, you know, looking for ben to point 3 average, do you think that i'm afraid you have to pick up? oh,

it does cover to start to pick up on that. that is the tradition of the idea of what you want the caller just want the general as i'm sure you would agree with me and it's hard to find an appointment to counseling that doesn't believe that they are fighting. and i'm just for everybody who's finding believe that they are on the right side of history. when you look at what's happening between russia and ukraine, how easy is it for you to figure out who is in the right and who is in the wrong? let me be one of them. i am a soldier. my 1st concern is my company and its perfection. love energy. if need of an integrity, i'd be doing everything that maximizes our national id. but let me explain that i joined the army and 1971. as a young 2nd didn't i?

it was please call into the 1971, bought a b b, a big a deal of the people lot of is that a bundle of issues that we did 1000000000 with and then the bundle of issues that we didn't do it as what you had no option but to fight because you were to stop the event. you know, that would have been a lot of the additional that was the time and it was getting so we have option back to fight. we're going to fight that. then we'll push back to the wall. mr. tried everything and at the end of it, but it cost a lot. in fact the then we had broke and focused on a. i think a lot of that's why it was a great today. and let me tell you about the question that stood by us,

that in and out of b. so b, when we play that. now i think you would probably agree with me that for russia in the military operation is unlike any other. and it's clearly have traction cycle tone to it. it's a, it's very hard for any russian to see what's going on in your brain. regardless of whether we support or government decision of whether we oppose it simply because of the highest human type in countries and the questions i want to ask you as a military man, as a, as a man, all strategic mine media know dated question you politically. but i think emotionally and historically still very press, what do you think an operational like that would have been avoid it? i think a little bit of historical background would be essential when the soviet union collapsed. um, i think the ben i made a good part of that could give me a short president,

but so that they would not expand one. it is to us by you for good fun. and then now that being funny, well, which will probably be the publics of the union, which are members of the war back. i couldn't, you know, in the big and the last line of defense that a lot of russian maybe had. well, you could just, you know, your country is black. i like, i don't have the amount that i would like as a guy. so quite obviously you will be the price to the best credit on the and then right, right. so you will need one more stage. that was what i understand. then in 2000, it august at the conference in which it was decided by the american will absorb the stroke on please also that was the time that the russian that,

that these are that like these don't cross that. and unfortunately the deadline was crossed. good. yeah, and then the russian went into action. in 4 days they had a, the door, russian b robinson captured about 567, all the fees. they like it did them all. but a defense. the next a location in 20. 14, then young, risky. yeah, the russian president of the odyssey revolution, so i thought, well, i know once again, that was all. you can join the russia. i said you're going to join nato and you're going well just the, i'm going to be. and then

a, again, i shot, gave you a food, and then you know the militia and there was a light. ok, thank you for this very brief overview of history. it's hard for me to find somebody who actually knows the context of our little neighborhood, but i wondered if i could be here probably for recently was not even the abstract intention on the part of you're going to join nathan, but very practical, an army of ukraine with all kinds of armaments and the question i have for you is whether you believe that major countries, the west, was pumping ukraine. this happens precisely because of the calculation that russia will never ever allow itself

a military action against me for historical and human reasons. the greatest american? no, you wanted to go find it out for me and let me tell you what you said. you know it and this eastern expansion of mental as being a tragic mistake. george gave on a but when on 2nd made i did the american that is the actor fight a rush. i believe we have signed up with a pension or are you serious me? i'll put it. you know, last year in july there was a bit of minutes the exercise in your grade in which american troops on the park dissipated this lead. you know,

you claim to believe that if it was shot it over the ground, they do it would, i would go like, nothing ever started happen. and i personally, frankly think it is, i mean, bottom, all, all for the united states. wish you're good to fight that i should. but i shouldn't be. i mean, i'm going to leave them. i would write this i'm, i'm still fighting. the russian lost your credit for that i thought was due in december and december though, the major a by, you know, the united states have been the but i still got you and, and the united states website or are you,

if you could talk to those to be a ship, a, b, b, all these what propagation, the american bar, the middle part that russia is b, b, i, b, economic, b, w a r b. i personally meeting as a starting of it, but it is the minute to the when it comes back to us, which i you know, as well as i show as now. good luck with that. the united states padded and bubble across the especially with the s 400. it can carry out and be accessed and then i got to stop it out and i stopped a mission. i don't wanna rush as back. you know, this is actually a very interesting point and review anything. most technical analysts would agree and weapons analysts would agree that russia has a logical action over the americans right now when it comes to strategic

governments. but it seems that the last try, you are russia where it's for the most by actually coming ever closer to the russian boys. we've come to national at weapons and all the churches that were traditionally considered by russia as you know, cars or it's not a sterile tree, but at least you know, it's historical landscape. so in a way that it was also a cunning move, don't you think that to trying to try to turn the crank and i guess russian as a way of i'm to mining rushes, logical superiority. no, that is precisely what i'm saying. that it is in the convention that russia has not only close the guy, but in that a lot. and you see russia already has the edge. so $1300.00 plus you can run it by $1500.00. all

your blood pressure has the form that i put on the lights. i. russia has an edge, you know. yeah. but the critical thing is the a conventional weapons which has been a russia why, what is the right, you're not going to mention. it has the best part of it. and you see, i'm not saying, i'm not saying a lot of good, a very famous american one. you said trying to bring georgia and you granted was groaning. all the dodge get out here to expansion was a tragic mistake. the is for expansion, or i think you read the bottom of this and not as is being made out of the western media. it does pull things desire to recreate the soviet union. well, generally we have to take in very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments stating,

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a robot must protect its own existence with a welcome back to wells afford retired, major general of the engine army and the attitudes of the indian military review. generally, actually, before the break, you mentioned the russian president, and he recently made a point in announcing the celebration, put in to make a clear declaration of war, of the kind that used to be done back in the 19th and 20th century, essentially went on public media and announced to russia and the rest of the world, what russia was going to do. obviously you can't read his mind,

but why do you think such a declaration was important to him? you are absolutely right. it's a very interesting, you're starting to look at it. the fact is that if the all i've gone, i'll go, well, i went out of fashion after the 2nd world war, we have not received a declaration of war. and the point is, you know, when there was a problem, you know, they were like a conflict graph a point, but the bob was coming back to match. and number 2, there was no ostensible declaration health problems. and i know that when i, oh, maybe understand, i understand most of the i've been on the 1st on the 2nd floor where there was a displacement. but it was a lot of in against one of these, which was a just, you know,

just the for this board for president. i'm back on there. and then the 3rd game and then when spoke to, why did. and then he had asked for the russian order, but it's just that there was any john. so we did, he saw that. he says yes, it appears to be something that's not a b, b, b a y, a u. and we'll discuss all good discussions. i'm no, i'm good. there will be no change for them to look good. i think that's the address that has to be a lot. now if you have exhausted often, there's lots of outreach in a western world in media with regards to russia's actions. and as i said, this is

a painful situation for many russians to end up taking it easily. but one thing, you know, after covering many wars in my journal is to korea. one thing that i kind of understand is all the moral and ethical outrage over still a limited military action in ukraine when the western audience has been all but aloof to all the blocks that have been going on in the world over the last couple of days. i think the west has trivialized a normalized war, lonely go on. my question to you is, why do you think people in the west of treating this more as something absolutely exceptional as the end of the world is something that has never happened before. where you actually look at the map and the number of refugees, a number of people killed, the number of people in hunger in the country destroyed. you know,

this is the reality that has been going on for many, many years. let me tell you, when you're united, i backed it up. you know, there was a, a level. what did you have a list of media, a like a well. and so the bill came back to us. it all was to start the american road. when the medical that back, you have a good that can happen. this country was again a did you have a then i it off of the 2nd when the americans with, with, i mean i can give those examples. so this is

a very what i do is like a well, i think a lot of people be about a. busy except for the fact that you have russia, you have pushed it against the want it over to me at the i don't think people should be surprised. general, i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think over the last couple of years on the western russia have been involved in what i would call the end of history of a big americans in the former state. secretary can delete, right. what we're trying to tell russian specifically fusion, that the cold war is over and the russia has lost. that is a specific quote from kind of lisa, right,

which was surprisingly at the 2008 with was present and where georgia and ukraine were indeed a very conspicuously given the green light for the prospect of membership. and in response to all of all these need to talk, russia continue to says that whatever is the american view of history in the history process, russia still has it. strategic. see here, the interest on it will define that way. how do you see these a historical debate developing from now on a, be american geopolitical? you said it was an opportunity for residents by react strategically towards what was happening. you can look part of all the stuff you're going to be working on the arms control agreements,

we get with it and i proceed. and one last 0 to go to the to that as india, as we need to do to get it done. all of it, i think it's you see if you did, i that a lot, you know, on the leave a spread democracy. i part communism russia lead to want to see how much of our democracy as you may have your plan for b, r a, b, or any of the united states a, you know, i was 2nd to, to them either. so how is it that the american democracy is superior to be one of the, to the one if it already that is, i mean, if you're not a democracy all well by the pop of the people. so the point is that i'm setting

up the problems of the word, but the 2nd for the 2nd one. well, if they want to get it from you or i think that it would be a bad word, right? well, but it doesn't, even if you also be able to do that. so we have to thank you, have a general, as you understand, such as drastic action that russia has allowed itself to t is bound to have certain international consequences. and i want to ask you about a broader geopolitical context. do you think there international players will change the way they present themselves as an inch, as defined that interest on the global state? and in the aftermath of a operation that roughly on taking, you know, as a minute to study and i see the end of the unit for

a moment the united states were the host. it was the phone for what the i think is the, is the pollution of the once again, people out of the, the global art. don't forget. and it started off. and the 1st word, what happened? it was a my people are on the 2nd world war happened. it was a lot of people are. and now that we have, and i bet people order list, you'll find that there was water on the words like butt. and we're like what, what, what we have already done with it and the rest of the world is that this is becoming ready. that'd be fine. that as a reaction, the operation special operation, if you invest in power,

have you all that so you can all the sanction on russia. right. and the simple fact is that you think that the rush haven't been invented. so like in 99, you brought it to collapse and not it back. but you have learned the new facial is right. and if the name in the when i say this, i've got a big it is a me, you know, escalade beyond control. get into that because you know, exchanges and the like, which would be got us profit for the vote. can i ask you one last 2? you can tactical question because there are many analysts now that i'm looking at china and some of them are suggesting that meeting will be presented with the most opportune moment to take control over time. want immediately after russia finishes it's knowledge operation. and you can precisely because the western ability

penalizing sanctions on to china will be very limited. and what essentially mean b weekend of the western economic dominance. do you think that's? that's a real possibility. you think that may come to pass on? may i remind you, you see history men are exactly the people that i could find when the cuban crisis happen. china jones, that opportunity. you get a price to a china back in 1962 a for a, a possibility. and then i live in the back room with the chinese and then i want them not to do this. the simple fact is that if the technical factors,

if you need to do this because in the conventional and then you could do the entire pick on that edge or the united states. i like it would put us on the. but if we had one thing, and it's on backyard, i'm afraid china as of now, that's not have that been a good one. been over the united states. and the combination of against that intensive decides to take a look at it and up. and then you, i don't like bite on the what would be the effect of you know, less, but i haven't given that to see if i don't want to do that. that's perfect. i think would be there because that are huge population investing. what i see is the military capabilities that would be what happens or. and finally general,

i began our conversation by quoting the american general omar bradley and i want to finish it. another call of his american back in 98 is, was running on dimension all. got lee asked history one document to runs down, got how america should look like really needs to help us all to find common sense with mercy, strategic thinking, compassion, and mutual respect. we are the main condition for lasting peace. i really pray for that. thank you very much for being with us today. i hope you can russia, i will do all the nation of the word, i hope all, most to no children have. i would have to die. well, i think that has been like, i'm sure it's going to be brought to look

a back to except that he doesn't want to join it out. if you had said this 25 days back, there would not have been all that this project even now is a way out by the way, i'm sure this will happen and i'm sure we will be happy or time that i thank you. very interesting. thank you very nice, but reach out to our question. thank you and thank you to our audience. we're

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