ah, if anybody's been trapped in an elevator, 20 minutes can be pretty long time right and the load trapped in an elevator for 20 minutes. not knowing what's gonna happen, not knowing where you are a sense of sensory deprivation. so think about that if your life 20 visits about an hour, not at all. yeah, the intercom is nothing i was trying to get you out. i was keeping you id is your communication. oh thats existence who ah

ah, the billing me for want turn begins with alca, but it does not in there and it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped and defeated. ah i think we lost more in the warranty. so you know, empires and decline,

resort to torture, and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears were so called intense interrogation techniques used by the u. s. officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave no physical traces. it's an extremely destructive practice.

torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering, but also on the society that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy. and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades, so that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booky man, some danger. first, it was communism. then it was terrorism for, we are obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, the communist policy is force no don as the engage in

any political activity or any intelligence there was not approved at the highest level. ah, there was a concern that emerged 1st article, melina informed us that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind. and it was that, that set off this whole pursuit that laid ultimately to the creation of the she eyes, doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that

they hadn't committed or mm. most importantly was the child of cardinal mines and sky and hungry. and jessica was already in natural war 2, quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal. and the primary of the church. they arrested him. they can find him, it was jesus being an aristocrat. he became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church, in a carton, a man known for his courage, under nazi pressure. that if he could be broken, clearly,

the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the c i a's reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing their concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques in the 1920s in 1900 ten's, using sleep deprivation, exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standards, domestic policing tortures. and they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that a american p o w is in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue. and it didn't look like they had been talking during the korean more. what happened was that there were chapter down american aviators,

and there were around 30 pilots, a testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio burgeon alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people . after the armistice, one, these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brain wash. if you described the method used by the communists? interrogated oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture all the start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my face flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was

a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my willpower to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control project starts in 1950. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation, a british american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral scientists. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness. ah, dick, off for medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some other more classified material on people that escaped from the

soviet union and have been tortured in the survey in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with alan dell as the head of the cia and with the human ecology of fine walls offered to who does cia essentially a france in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered. um was $11.00 of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca, doctrine of a psychological torture. they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g b or the inc apd practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subjects stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force

a human being to stay in a certain position, especially position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques, the over technique they discovered was from the, the, the, the biomedical research. there was dr. haps work. he was the chair of the psychology department, and mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monotony. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch, all harsh lines subdued by

a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than $24.00 or 48 hours. the sensory deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's a horrible experience getting worse and worse for a sub he's talked about cooling. what they said was that the degree of board of became intolerable and was once i'd be shed as bad as anything you had left to hitler had ever done to any of his son, teresa victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human. and a let enables a person to have it a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation,

you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired on that then they came up a consult of the she i continued to work for them is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on death, this project funded another guy, mcgill named doctor on cameron. what in cameron did at alamo moreland city was, was close to monstrous. ah, i came in psychotherapy. i was just crying, crying cry was a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward you met that on that day, cameron? that's you and cameron. yes, i met him that we were all was terrified of him. why?

we also here we all had a fear of him and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, it was never there was a patient with them. the patient was all we screaming ah oh, is your media a reflection of reality? in the world transformed what will make you feel safer? isolation, whole community. are you going the right way or are you being led to somewhere? direct? what is true? what is great?

in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah not another body while div easy while furnace us. ah. yeah. for unit one slide yet if south. yeah. ration of south for there was actually that the new duck. awesome. boy, it's an orchard done for me at that a bull up i picked on the is emily up full of radio from?

she'll let me just kim's room. she thought, did you say the was the ela, a bill them come? yes, my thought watching in the it again the audio fortune pretty up my bill at about this morning shows financial these are the days and hours ah, the occasion professor, you and cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field. at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap, but oh,

with lots of patients to work with last as subs that subjects with somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in ah, with ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers and they would be subjected to this as are urging of extreme sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it. that would play a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother hates me and he would blit the brain where broke sensor deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage move. ah oh,

what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the banner prolong basis along with what he could sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the side of the a buried behavior, the bad ideas, the ideas who were messing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas better. convulsive therapy picked up and was widely used in germany. before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to board, the german army wasn't going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers. so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into united states in the clinical note of march 23rd. 1962 confirms

a 129. e. c. t. 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages myself to those that was supposed to be acting strange, right? my mother desire to have. i decided to have the bill to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later and her bathroom has shock group was on me. i was in now on for 6 months, and this would repeat. yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah, it's what you feel you have been through being the patent. yes, i guess and i say you in mariah and her different war older a race somehow could be yeah,

well. 1 they don't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of d patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say, if i ask you what were you, what's the for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? i, i disperse, hospitalized. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me,

and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i've saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i, with the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, the, she is doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in the bar counterintelligence interrogation manual. oh hm. mm mm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensor

deprivation. and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about dissemination about is huge. send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual like a resty or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and it seems that mil gms experiment was a liking part of this project. when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2, how is it possible i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what

conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the mower experiment very simply was a simulated torture. this was one, not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you going to give him, then give him the punishment and read the correct word fair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scale is very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to do to doing what he called an educational experiment in tried to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as

a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think, close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous, and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get that man. that name is lerner lice in and now we must go on until you all refuse to take the responsibility and get her that you're all right. it's actually essential. as you continue teaching, it's still monday left here. i mean j, they go and get draw good. as to when they left. i mean i'm going to take the responsibility if anything happens that i'm responsible for anything that happens here continue. i'm actually slow. wow. dance truck.

music. answer. blaze. wrong. i know 90 my votes. dance. yes, you did this simply with a very simple thing, putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo. the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people

behave in good way. but what makes some people behaving a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students have a good, a prisoners. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no under pans than behind is showing

like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating, lose also, abrupt was quick. it was just, you know, take them off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser. and i was living in the cell. what some bardo did was a very cheap dark off of the kind of thing that milgram was doing. not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial and that's on true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were

instructed by the experimenters to get over. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. we're merely a tool of the research is to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself or i was responsible for coming up with all these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push up to do jumping jacks i had never once stopped to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah.

a harms me. how did, how does it, how does that mean that people can be like, yeah, and let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced firsthand. i read about it, i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it. and i've never seen someone turn that way and i know you're a nice guy. you know, well, you and then what would you have that? i don't know. ah ah.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation. let it be in arms. race is often very dramatic, that development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very particular time time to sit down and talk. situational forces can overwhelm, can dominate even the best of us, ordinary people put in a bad evil environment, can become transformed to become part of that negative environment. and it's any of

us or in fact, most of us the office of naval intelligence was pretty consistent. cut out front for she i they funded much of this research and i don't know if there was a yield that they, they produce a yield for this cruel science. i don't that's maybe more, i just don't think they do. it might play out spectacularly in the military, so the connections would be much further down the road. it would be particularly in the iraq war and in the setting up of getting low and all of that. and by the time you get to 2001, it's already this cultural artifact. and so it is going to be picked up by

by anyone for any purpose in.