as a responsibility for the whole and we need to make rules for the rest. because without out there will be a bit trapped in an elevator. 20 minutes can be pretty long time. right and a load trapped in an elevator for 20 minutes. not knowing what's gonna happen. no, we wore suits of sensory deprivation. i think that if your life 20 visits about an hour, not at all. yeah, the intercom is nothing i was trying to get you out. i was keeping you id. is your communication? oh, i think sistant, who ah

ah, a more of the building. mm . on turn begins without got. mm. but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped and defeated, ah,

thinking lost more in the warranty. so you know, empires and decline, resort to torture. and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears were so called test interrogation techniques used by the u. s. officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave note physical traces. it's an extremely destructive practice.

torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering. but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy. and that through terrorizing a population, over a period of decades said that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booty, man, some danger. first, it was communism. then it was terrorist for obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, the communist policy is forced no dog as a c,

i engage in any political activity or any intelligence. it was not approved. at the highest level, there was a concern that emerged the 1st article in the late notice that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind. and it was that sir of this whole pursuit that lead ultimately to the, the creation of the c eyes, doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused

a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that they hadn't committed or mm. most importantly was the child with cardinal minds and sky and hungry. and jessica was already in natural war 2, quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal in the primary of the church. they arrested him, they can find him, it was choose of being an aristocrat, it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church, in a carton, a man known for his courage,

under nazi pressure. that if he could be broken clearly, the soviets work session of techniques. the c i a's reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques. in the 1920s in 1900 ten's, using sleep deprivation exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w's in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue, and it didn't look like they had been talking during the korean more. what happened

was that there were chapter down american aviators and there were around 30 pilots, testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio badging alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people. after the armistice, one of these pilots release for bought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brain wash. if you described the method used by the communists? interrogated oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture all the start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention having my faith flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to. it consisted of being confined in

a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my willpower to force me in some manner. to confess. a mind control project starts in 250. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation, a british american operation at the highest levels in order mobilize the naval scientists of these 3 countries in order to kind of crack the code of human consciousness. ah, nicholas roth. medical doctors are cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some other more classified material on

people that escaped from the city and been tortured in the service. in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with alan dell as the head of the cia and with the human ecology of fun, wolf offered to the cia, essentially a friends in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered. i was 11 of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca, doctrine of the psychological torture. they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g, b a n k v d practice was not crude physical buildings. but simply making subject stand

immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in a certain position, especially position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody slain figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques. the over technique they discovered was from the, the bio medical research was, doctor hat's work. he was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong malott me. their hands and arms were softly

covered to muffle a sense of touch, all harsh lights subdued by a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than 2448 hours. sensory deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's horrible experience getting worse and worse, somebody, somebody talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was once i'd be said as bad as anything you had to hitler had ever done to any of his son, the teresa victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human. and a let enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation. you will literally

easily become severely mentally impaired on that then they came up a consult. she continued to work for them is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on death. this project funded another guy, mcgill named dr. illinois, cameron, what aaron cameron did at alamo, maryland city was, was post a monstrous ah, i came in for psycho therapy. i was just crying, crying cry was a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward you met up on that, that cameron,

that's you and cameron, yes, i met him and we were all was terrified of him. why? we also fear we all had a fear of him and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, whenever there was a patient with them, the patient was always screaming. oh, that's a conflict in ukraine continues. so does the information war, the liberal west appears, determined to deny any meaningful debate about the conflict? freedom of expression is now something of the past and an information, iron curtain as to say, ah, not another word. while div easy, while furnace us. ah,

yes. we knew that one slight yet if south. yeah, thrashing south. there was angela neely v. bethany duck awesome boys. now watch them up all mutable up. i peter, is emily, up a little video from sheila vicious kim's room. she thought video says the was the ela, a bill come? yes, my thought, watching in the again the audio fortune pretty up in the be a lot about this morning after search financial these are the days and hours. ah, the occasion professor, you and cameron was

a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field. at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap, but oh, with lots of patients to work with last as subs that subjects was somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in ah, with ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers, and then they would be subjected to this bizarre urging of extreme sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it. that would play a tape and look up to 500000 times,

say things like my mother hates me and he would blit the brim with ropes, answer deprivation, and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage blue. ah oh, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the banner prolong basis along with what he called sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the side of the ab a buried behavior. the bad ideas, the ideas who were messing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas better. convulsive therapy picked up and was widely used in germany

before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to board. the german army wasn't going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers. so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into the united states in the clinical note of march 23rd 1962. confirmed a 129. e. c. t 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st, november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. myself to those that was supposed to be acting strange, right? my mother decided to have, i decided to have the bill to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to the our on a couple of months later and bathroom have they for the shock group on saw me.

i was an allowance sir 6 months and this would repeat over days and days and weeks and yeah, it's what you feel you have been through being the patent. yes, i guess. and when i say you in mariah and her different were older and being your race somehow could be yeah, well they didn't finish the treatment for me. so when i came out i was still active and so on. but they did, you went through 3 sessions of de patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember, like, i'd say, if i ask you, what were you, what's the for you typing for the national defense, for instance, on rap. now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? oh,

this 1st hospitalized. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom, i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i was the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, this yes, doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the decade,

the 1950s. and was caught a fired unbar counterintelligence interrogation manual. oh hm. mm hm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensor deprivation . and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the shiny and allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about dissemination about is huge. send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual like a graph g or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and that seems that milligrams experiment was liking part of this project.

when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2, how is it possible i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what conditions would a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the mower experiment very simply was a simulated torture. this was one, not at all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong

answer, he would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to get him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment in try to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get that man. think it, there it is. i there, i want to learn. i liked it or not,

we must go on until he's done wrong. i refuse to take the responsibility and get her. i mean, he's under our end, it's actually essential as you continue teacher and a still monday last year. i mean, ged going get wrong, good. as to learn a lot. i mean i'm going to take the responsibility. if only have was that gentleman responsible for anything that happens here? continue with i national slow. wow. dance truck. music answer plays wrong. ah 95 volts dance. yes, you did this simply with a very simple thing, putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is

embargo the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but i make some people behaving a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students who got a president. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology

department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no under pans than behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating. that was also abrupt, was quick. it was just, you know, take them off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser. and i was living in the cell. what some bardo did was a very cheap dark off of the kind of thing that milgram was doing. not always embargo, but i think, you know,

the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial and that's on true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. we're merely a tool of the research to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself or i was responsible for coming up with all these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers,

do push up to do jumping jacks i had never one stop to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah, i've been a harm's me. how did, how does it, how does that mean that people can be like, yeah, and let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced firsthand. i read about it, i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it. and i've never seen someone turn that way and i know you're a nice guy. you know, well you and then what would you have that i don't know for

o wasn't a century ago marked when remarked that god created more so that americans would learn geography. and few us officials have done more to put that into practice than my guess today, or us national security adviser and former us ambassador to the united nations. john bolton has supported all recent american lab wars. he's absolutely appalled by russia's actions in ukraine. why is that? ah, in united states, a news and tax on other countries

economic sanctions are, are often just the beginning. another thing you like to do is place some military pressure on the countries that you're talking about here. and there has to be an effort to demonize that country and the leader of that country. so we have a responsibility for the whole world and we need to make room for the rest. because without us, there will be k m situation forces can overwhelm, can dominate even the best of us, ordinary people, put in a bad evil environment. can become transformed to become

part of that negative environment. and it's any of us, or in fact most of us the office of naval intelligence, it was a pretty consistent cut out front for ca. they funded much of this research. and i don't know if there was a yield that they, they produce a yield for this cruel science. i don't, i that's, it's maybe more, i just don't think they do. it might play out spectacularly in the military. so the connections would be much further down the road. it would be particularly um in the iraq war and in the setting up of get mo and all of that. um, and by the time you get to 2001, it's already this cultural artifact. and so it is going to be picked up by

a by any one.