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in retention you're watching going on the ground, the team, and i will be back soon with a brand new look, despite nato nation and you censorship. but until then, we'll be showing some of your favorite chose a for season so far. i'm after it, nancy, we're going underground on ukraine's day of resistance to occupation of the autonomous republic of crimea in the city of so vast of all this at the end of a week in which british politicians have been seemingly attempting to interfere with the independent regulation of broadcasting by calling on you k, p. m. bars, johnson, to shut down this channel effectively ending press freedom in the u. k. johnson. the former journalist himself claims the doing what the british labor party wanted to do, would amount to be being as bad as russia, with nato nations in the u,

condemning. russian president vladimir putin for authorizing what russia calls a special military operation against ukraine after antony blinking cancelled his meeting with russian foreign minister counterpart, sergey lavern of nathan asian media is talking about the whole new era and geo politics. let alone nuclear weapon use here in our te and had going underground. we seek to question more, as well as provide viewers with all sides of any debate. we have been reaching out to pro ukrainians to hear their side of the ukraine invasion return in the current climate. many do not want to come on to talk to us. we like therefore, to extend an invite to any ukranian journalists or politicians watching now to come on the show and give your side of the story. but joining me now from moscow in italian, irish at sky, the former vice chairman of the international affairs committee in the russian duma . thanks so much italia for coming on. not sure how much a british media you're watching. i know you're appearing on on it sometimes. as you might know, ne donation media has been broadcasting. views that vladimir putin has gone mad.

and boris johnson has called on the russian people to overthrow what he says is a dictator. it well as the language of course. so for co, modern or western elite leaves much to be, you know, desired, or because even in the 19th century, the notes are to declare was sure began was mad show more gentlemen, more lee or vocabulary. and yeah, well, i believe that i met people have expected, after the dismemberment of the soviet union that such huge jr politic entity as was the historical russian state which grew in centuries and came to actually broom with alter ward in centers. would just be drafted

as a 15 or new states and everything could be stable, et cetera. so this a few trial and obsolete paradigm of democracy versus circle tal. italian is good for them. i explain everything. but what about on my poor ukraine? why poor? because the grace of my ancestors lie, it shall niga of region and my grand to what father was before revolution, director of a college in chattanooga and my grand grandfather was a priest, orthodox priest in saint michael church in church, michael bridges. so you understand how, how painful it is all for me. but ukraine was composed of a very different and even conflicting huge population and

parts, or that's history and vladimir putin in his address or to the nation, explained it or not to say that she's not recognized. they said that just to explain why it had to explode, because galli share hadn't shared the destiny. was also looks ukraine for 500 years because it was under poland, chest, or in 14th century. then under austro hungarians and then it again as polish territory between 2 and world wars, et cetera. it hates russians. god then must collides for them. we moscow light and i am all some mixture of barbarian mon was always said ah,

ah. busy such shins as while is the ukrainians. they are arians, you know, and we have stolen the key of history and byzantine heritage. so, and we are so huge and we have multiplied and reached sleet oceans. so at and z, these people from golly ship could have become, what now russia ease. but for all that history, since 1945, the united nations was set up. and the un secretary general and donor gutierrez said that recognizing donates and no hands. the unilateral measures conflicted directly with the principles of the charter of the united nations. and that her in, if also said a name checked the international court of justice. i don't know whether for a broad circulation of letting me bruton, if the un secretary general,

who presumably has some of the history books there. if, if antonio gutierrez says this speaking for the un, then garage and federation has committed a crime? or by the way, international court of justice doesn't sue anyone. it just gives legal assessment of a deed or all that and an issue. well, the west mom, clover in yugoslavia, signatory to the boys c, air documents and found father founding father of the united states. the states under the retakes that there were genocide against fell by means it was not an aggression. according to the western enter crustacean, it was a humanitarian mission. wise. the west ignores the 80 years going

civil war that keep started against the nest and nor ganske people who have been shelved for 8 years and civilians does thousands of them were killed in my house now in moscow lives now a woman from logan's carriage and whose house is think without windows yet, you know, and she is crying every day, et cetera. why is it? and in the recent these preceding the act to her. busy of our president, the shelling exceeded any scale since the fights over the, the last airport. and there was real threat to the lives of people and you know, and things. and you know, in the later nation media, all we hear about our people from their attacking

a ukraine. but you mentioned yugoslavia on this program we talk time and time again of alleged violations of the you and charles her by nato members. you mentioned yugoslavia there are, which is often alleged 2 wrongs make a right russia now acting like like the united states. russia. whoa. as far as co course her work is concerned. there was no referendum at all. and the west recognized course of a contrary to all the rules on to regulations of they will not a tourist random. no, no, let me, let me, let me just say another thing. this is only one aspect of what has happened already . another aspect is that the west was not sparing any effort to shrink. oh, the russian zone of our security and with every step in this shrinking, were accused more and more of allegedly,

being so aggressive had said so we had to pay and to pay for our losses. this drink was compressed to the limit and mister putin and our government are warned in december, and they openly, ah, you know, declared the principals which lot are satisfied. russia. exactly, in terms of its legitimate security. just imagine if mexico is declining, jerry ha, america in government and rational, stout suck, lying it with soviet union, start supplying it with arms miss grosbeaks to from mexico to enters the warsaw pact. oh, the think, what is united states do any this case? when all, what great did during the caribbean crisis, one cruise shelf installed some rockets while next reaching the american territory

. and we were on the green, also nuclear war that we were wise enough, you know, to step back. so this link is considered a compressed as an image, it can only and, and clench, and that if we have to pay, that's my own opinion. you know, i'm not an as that erst estate function. i am just an expert. and besides my carstairs member of parliament for 1st of all, i am a historian and from the family renowned historians. i studied the international relations from ha, still 20th century. ok, whether it's will, arguably, or galle the we have to re, if we're b let's it's better to bake for games and not for losses. while arguably the united states, sir, i had to feelings of hand with the mexican revolution in a very different way. and obviously did occupy territory,

but then why did vladimir putin say he wasn't going to invade and war were all the russian drills, military drills that occurred in belarus and in russia beforehand, while russian or even the foreign minister. so gay lover of all assuring every one there would be no invasion. was it just that particular nights shelling by ukraine, that is alleged that cause this invasion war? had this been a plan for months and even years russia was believing and understanding and seeing that obviously on the west to have a pretext not to i'm in the united states of course, and maybe also britain because europe is now has no voice. it needed. so much intensive ideas, concepts, net center. so, oh, it's

a real gang this. i've been to london according to us for spangler asked me to have a pretext, not to answer russia's demands in regard to security. in their situation. certainly spawn served the aggravation of situation against a region which you grant performed especially to pro though crash. it was clear. so if you want this now you have it because we have left no other, wait out or wait with current to leave our people who beg, rush and where are you, you know, without health. so just because it's just because you are provoked doesn't mean you need to respond to provocation. and you mentioned wrangler. i think hardly the person. so that's why it will go into degradation of you earlier. i'm

not sure. and i think that's a good one to, to mention at this stage value narrative sky. i'll stop you there more from the former vice chairman of international affairs committee in the russian to after the spring. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it treated, confrontation, let it be an arms race, his on offense, very dramatic. devout, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time. time to sit down and talk with welcome back. i'm still here with natalia nurture sky, the former vice chairman of the international affairs committee in the russian duma

. the pro moscow line seems to be talking about as of battalions and neo nazis. what do you think about the president zalinski saying you are told we are nazis, but can people subordinate is that gave more than 8000000 lives to the victory oven autism. how can i be a nazi tell my grandpa, who went through the whole war in the infantry of the soviet army and died as a colonel in independence. ukraine. that's what zalinski says. oh, i read. i read the address of mister zelinski. it teaches that he never said it 5 years ago, when nay's ists are poor. trish who are carried to long and seats of keys with torches and glorifying z, hitler. we're henchmen, there are screenings really of you don't sure that it in countries here in the media, in nature, nation countries and,

and be there information picture in europe is totally different from ours. that's why we do not understand each other, you know? because the, even to glue they are glorifying, i've been there that may be the cases where as you see it, they deny that and in fact, they continuously. and boris johnson in his statement comparing the invasion to sedate and land implicitly, referencing hitler. and we hear the ukrainians continually comparing rather me a good in to hitler. what do you think the russian people, russian politicians, rationalists and the ordinary russians think when they are being compared to hitler and the nazis routinely now in the united states and in western europe? well of course we're now the solution about the west, but you know,

the west has over deuced it sir. busy you know, unique journalism towards russia some 20 years ago. russians who were sensitive to what was said about to russia and its leadership in the west. now they couldn't care less anymore because they don't trust the worst. they see that no matter how we behave, we are barbaric, you know, blanket zigzag of world history for them. and they are, they cannot stand that we are still sort of wiring and especially they are so hysterical. i mean, in the worst that russia are, which all its programs and the economy in, not in enough for, you know, income per, per capita still is. zillow only nation. the only people and the on the leadership who's national state will is equal to cumulative

a will of the whole west. and that happens again when hitler concord the whole europe, because they were afraid of collateral damage because they couldn't risk as they are comfortable life. and it was only a rush and the form of soviet union, which declared better grieve than slave. and to chris in a glove. and now it repeats the western out hill sort of organized and munich, a munich, a court again, $22.00, or he and all what they can use. thankfully we have enough arms so that they never, there, we are against russia. but after each munich, there is new, then russian, people are now support very much, you know, how much of all protest i sent them. and so russian, there are

a lot of pro to sentiments on in russia. i'm enduring goals is years and no, no, it's not very calm, you know, whole society, but 90 percent of all these protests are, are not liberal, but they blame the government, the leadership that it's indecisive and did business. and so the way it should, you know, how much put in, in russia really grand, if you, if you is that he is to greater to a russian or people in the ukraine that he doesn't defend them, et cetera. now they said, oh oh, oh, finally trying a live. that's real answer to all these are to ross if this again and finally after 8 years of this war. but the, the u. k. daily mail, which i think is involved in a court case with for prince harry actually here in britain, they report that 150 senior russian officials of signed an open letter

calling the invasion, an unprecedented atrocity. how stable is the russian federation? now the decision has been taken to invade you mentioned how many, 150 senior russian officials probably they're working in the banks and their children. study in london, oxford or hanging, he art sir. a canary is et cetera. and to teach to people who we are millions who support and think differently. so you claim that the russian peebles aboard vladimir putin in the russian dumas decision, even though the un secretary general served the principles of the un charter and norton ala carte menu. oh, very elegant,

very aga elegant sir, and you're phrasing, but it has nothing to do with reality. there's nothing to do well. i swear, and i feel that it was not russia's choice to lead the situation to such a scale that she had to interfere. and i'm sure if ukraine is more soleberg, if the united states talk, sponsoring, can't, endorsing all are also for big action search in from key of source key for, with regard to people ordones continental ganske. this an operation would like surgical operation would end when are their lives here were see, cute and nina and her nothing more. nobody has had desired to occupy ukraine. we've had a surgical strikes and the language being used by the russian side is like

the language nato. used in the rog, libya, syria in afghanistan, arguably. again gutierrez said they are not peacekeepers at all. how can they be peacekeepers if civilians ukrainian civilians are dying? ukrainian civilians are not dying or reports of civilians dead. and how can anyone trust what comes out of the kremlin given they said they were just drills over the past few weeks that he wouldn't invade that he wasn't going to threaten key f. o you say that you are not trusting call. you again says not trusting and thank to not independent source of news. so what comes from our country. but sir, are your so soon reliable after colin powell, you know,

showed or caught in storage in glass saying that this is explosives in iraq? yes. but, but even more, all sources are saying that this happened that an invasion has happened, but is masika doing what moscow has been accusing washington of doing all through the so called cold war? well, most go is becoming quashing can only in the laundry. spect that it clearly declares off its national interest and will never used such sure, you know, faker, et cetera. and moscow was all planning. when in december it sent to soon as it states and nato, its concerns. it's a list of concerns with coins which are of crucial

importance for and we're waited for 2 months. so the same if keith would be sober and decided to relax the situation. nothing would have happened like what is happening to day, you know, and now, like washington coord leads it yogi. or jury in english, non liter tioga. what are is entitled to jupiter is not entitled to their boot. it's oh, we're among layton cro verb. i know it's it only arrogant, was there room was an empire to i've got to ask you, do you think diplomacy and obviously washington denies any wrong doing in all its foreign operations. since 1945 perhaps. will there be diplomacy now to end the current violence? i think her diplomacy is always needed until it be erroneous to say

or when our bombs sound exploding that diplomacy is closed? no, no, i am sure. and i, i would love to hear that there are some diplomatic steps to, to discuss what is happening and what is a good position and shooting of each of the parties concerned. her lansky thought diplomacy is over. he fond vladimir putin, the result was silence. well, president zalinski ha. oh god with him. he is not to eastern church in it. but why? why did vladimir burton not speak to president zalinski before the invasion began? because zalinski declares that russia, is it more country aggressor long before you know,

many years ago in the continues to say so. yeah, well, are they buy a lot of coal from my cell or the schwartz enjoy of gas? so. busy for, you know, salmon to concrete, it's ok because there are no construction materials for lack, always in cash. you step kind to ukraine, et cetera. you know, go to our no amount to for our tree to who is ukraine is enormous. you know, is enormous. ukraine could flourish between russia and the west, when i say, with 1000000 glucose milking to girls, you know, because each party, i mean, rush in the west wood new, you know, earning a pamper ukraine to gain more attention and ukraine could, could flourish. but now, no, the, no, galle shannon irving and been there

a man or could not be satisfied with and a vague no impulse. and to communist nomenklatura or 219 the power to rit immediately took the banners of gulshan philosophy, you know, and her. then it's like a snowball. you're only our aggravated and i will always a neighbor, countries on nato countries, denials wrong doing. they say the blame squarely with russia and her soda's, sir. so, so does it come from key of that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season, the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then, you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your country and remember, you can continue to watch all going underground episodes on odyssey and latino come see very soon.

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