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a brand new look this wide nato nation and the you censorship. but until then, we'll be showing some of your favorite chose a for season so far. i'm after it and say we're going underground on ukraine's day of resistance to occupation of the autonomous republic of crimea in the city of savannah to fall this at the end of a week in which british politicians have been seemingly attempting to interfere with the independent regulation of broadcasting by calling on you k, p. m bars, johnson, to shut down this channel effectively ending press freedom in the u. k. johnson. the former journalist himself claims the doing what the british labor policy want him to do, would amount to be being as bad as russia, with nato nations in the u, condemning. russian president vladimir putin for authorizing what russia goals a special military operation against the graeme after antony blinkin canceled his meeting with russian foreign minister, counterpart, sergey lever of nation media is talking about a whole new era and geopolitics. let alone nuclear weapon use here are naughty and

had going underground. we seek to question more, as well as provide viewers with all sides of any debate. we have been reaching out to pro ukrainians to hear their side of the ukraine invasion. but in the current climate, many do not want to come on to talk to us. we like therefore, to extend an invite to any ukranian journalists or politicians watching now to come on the show and give your side of the story. but joining me now from moscow in italian, irish at sky, the former vice chairman of the internet of as committee in the russian duma. thanks so much italia for coming on. not sure how much a british media you're watching. i know you're appearing on on it. sometimes, as you might know, ne donation media has been broadcasting. views that vladimir putin has gone mad and burst. johnson has called on the russian people to overthrow what he says is a dictator. it well as the language of course. so for co, modern or western elite leaves much to be the desired or because

even in the 19th century, the notes are to declare was sure began was made sure more. a gentleman lol li, a vocabulary. yeah. well, i believe that i met people have expected, after the dismemberment of the soviet union that such huge jr politic entity as was the historical russian state which grew in centuries and came to occasionally boreum without a word in centers would just be drafted as a 15 or new states and everything could be stable, et cetera. so this a few trial and obsolete paradigm of democracy versus it'll tell italian as you

could or for them. i explain everything. but what about on my poor ukraine? why poor? because is the grace of my ancestors lie, it shall need of region and my grand to what father was before revolution director of a college in chattanooga and my grand grandfather was a priest orthodox priest in saint michael church in chattanooga region. so you understand how, how painful it is all for me, but you grin was composed of a very differing and even conflicting. huge population and parts are. that's history and vladimir putin in his address or to the nation, explained it or not to say that she's not recognized as said that just to explain why it had to explode. because galli sham hadn't

shared the destiny was orthodox ukraine for 500 years because it was under poland, stressed or in 14th century. then under austro hungarians and then again as polish territory between 2 and world wars, et cetera. it hates russians. god then must collides for them. we moscow late and i am all some mixture of barbarian mon walls always ah, ah. busy such shins as while is the ukrainians, their arians will and we have stolen the key of history and byzantine heritage. so and we are so huge and we have multiplied and reached sleet. oh sions. so i and z. these people from gully shit could have become what now

russia ease, but for all that history, since 1945, the united nations was set up. and the un secretary general. and donor gutierrez said that recognizing don, yet andrew hands, the unilateral measures conflicted directly with the principles of the charter of the united nations. and that in for if also said a name checked the international court of justice. i don't know whether for a broad circulation of vladimir putin, if the un secretary general, who, oh, presumably, has some of the history books there. if, if antonio gutierrez says this speaking for the un, then garages, adoration has committed a crime. or by the way, international court of justice doesn't sue anyone. it just gives

legal assessment of a deed or over an, an issue or well, the west bombed over in yugoslavia, signatory to the o. c. air documents and found father founding father of the united states. the states under the retakes that there were genocide against fell by means it was not an aggression. according to the western enter crustacean, it was a humanitarian mission. wise. the west ignores the 80 years going civil war that keep started against the nest and nor ganske people who have been shelved for 8 years and civilians does thousands of them were killed in my house. now in moscow lives now

a woman from logan's creech and whose house is think without windows yet, you know, and she is crying every day, et cetera. why is it? and in the recent, these preceding the act to her, of our president, the shelling exceeded any scale since their fights over the last airport. and there was real threat to the lives of people. and you know, and as you know, in the later leisure media, all we hear about our people from their attacking ukraine. but you mentioned yugoslavia on this program we talk time and time again of alleged violations of the you and charles her by nato members. you mentioned yugoslavia there are, which is often alleged 2 wrongs make a right russia now acting like like the united states. russia.

whoa. as far as co course her work is concerned. there was no referendum at all. and the west recognized course of a contrary to all the rules on to regulation, so they will not a 1st random not let me, let me, let me just say another saying this is only one aspect of what has happened already . another aspect is that the west was not sparing any effort to shrink. oh, the russian zone of our security and with every step in this shrinking, were accused more and more of allegedly, being so aggressive had said so we had to pay and to pay for our losses. this drink was compressed to the limit and mister putin and our government are warned in december, and they openly, ah, you know, declared the prince post,

which walt our satisfy russia. exactly in terms of its legitimate security. just imagine if mexico is declining, jerry ha, america in government and russia stout suck, lying it with soviet union, stars supplying it with arms, with grosbeaks to from mexico to enters the warsaw pact. oh, do you think? what is united states do, in this case, when all what they did during the caribbean crisis when cruise shelf installed, some was watkins while next, reaching the american territory. and we were on the brink also nuclear war that we were ways enough, you know, to step back. so this link is considered a compressed as an image. it can only and, and clench, and that if we have to pay, that's my own opinion. you know,

i'm not an as that erst estate function. i am just an expert. and besides for my carstairs, member of parliament for 1st of all, i am a historian and from the family renowned historians. i studied international relations from ha, still 20th century. okay. whether it's will arguably a jelly the we have to re, if we're b let's, it's better to bake for gains and not for losses. while arguably the united states, sir, i had to figure it out of hand with the mexican revolution in a very different way. and obviously did occupy territory, but then why did vladimir putin say he wasn't going to invade and war were all the russian drills, military drills that occurred in belarus and in russia beforehand, while russian or even the foreign minister. so gay lover of all assuring everyone

there would be no invasion. was it just that particular nights shelling by ukraine, that is alleged that cause this invasion? or had this been a plan for months and even years? russia was believing and understanding and seeing that obviously in the west, to have a pretext not to. i'm in the united states, of course, and maybe also britain, because europe is now has no voice. it needed so much intensive ideas, concepts net sent here. so oh, it's a real gang. this. i've been to this. according to osler, spangler asked me to have a pretext, not to answer, rush us demands in regard to security. in their situation,

certainly spawn served or the aggravation of situation against a region which you grant performed. especially to pro though crash. it was clear. so if you want this, now you have it because we have left no other, wait out or wait with current to leave our people who beg, rush and where are you, you know, are without health. so just because just because you provoke doesn't mean you need to respond to provocation, and you mentioned wrangler. i'd, i think hardly the person that i will go into degredation of, you know, i'm not sure. and i think that's a good one to, to mention at this stage value narrative sky, i'll stop you there more from the former vice chairman of international affairs committee in the russian do after this break to what we've got to do is

identify the threats that we have it treat even foundation, let it be an arms race is on authentic, very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very critical in time to sit down and talk with you

ah, welcome back. i'm still here with natalia nurture sky, the former vice chairman of the international finance committee in the russian duma . the pro moscow line seems to be talking about as of battalions and neo nazis. what do you think about president zalinski saying you are told we are nazis, but can a people, subordinates, is that gave more than 8000000 lives to the victory over an autism? how can i be a nazi tell my grandpa, who went through the whole war in the infantry of the soviet army and died as a colonel in independence ukraine. that's what sir lensky says. all i, i read, i read the address of the landscape. it said that he never said it 5 years ago when nay's is poor. trish who are carried to long streets of keys with torches and glorifying z, hitler. we're henchmen. there are screenings reviews. i'm

sure that in countries here in the media, in nature, nation countries and, and then formation picture in europe is totally different from ours. that's why we do not understand chavez. you know, because or is he even to go, they are glorifying or been there are that may be the cases where as you see it, they deny that. and in fact, they continuously. and boris johnson in his statement are comparing the invasion to sedate land implicitly referencing hitler, and we hear the ukrainians continually comparing rather me a bridge in to hitler. what do you think the russian people, russian politicians rushing to leads and the ordinary russians think when they are being compared to hitler and the nazis routinely now in the united states and in

western europe? well of course we're not the solution about the west, but you know, the west has all were dosed it sir. busy you know, unique journalism towards russia some 20 years ago. russians were sensitive to what was said about to russia and its leadership in the west. now they couldn't care less anymore because they don't trust the west. they see that no matter how we behave, we are barbaric, you know, blanket is exact of world history for them. and they are, they cannot stand that we are still sort of wiring and especially they are so hysterical. i mean, in the worst that russia are, which all its programs and the economy and in, not in enough for, you know, income per, per capita still is zill lieschen,

the only people and the on the leadership who's national state will is equal to cumulative oil of the whole west and that happens again when hitler concord the whole europe, because they were afraid of collateral damage because they couldn't risk as a comfortable life. and it was only a rush in the form of soviet union, which declared better grieve than sleeve. and to chris in a glove and now it repeats the west now, you know sort of organized and muley and munich, a court again 22 or he and all what they can use. thankfully we have enough arms so that they never, there are against russia. but after each munich, there is noon bank,

russian. people are now support very much, you know, how much of all protest i sent them. and so russian, there are a lot of pro to sentiments on in russia. i mean, during goals is years in new, it's not very calm in our society, but 90 percent of all these protests are, are not liberal, but they blame the government, the leadership that it's indecisive and did business. and so the way it should, you know, how much proven in russia really grand, if you, if you is that he is greater to a russian or people in the ukraine that he doesn't defend them, et cetera. now they said, oh, or, or finally, trying a live that's real answer to all these atrocities. and finally, after 8 years of this war, but the, the u. k. daily mail,

which i think is involved in a court gaze with for prince harry actually here in britain, they report that 150 senior russian officials of signed an open letter calling the invasion, an unprecedented atrocity. how stable is the russian federation? now the decision has been taken to invade you mentioned how many, 150 senior russian officials probably there are working in the banks and their children. study in london, oxford or hanging he yard sir, or carriers, et cetera, 100 sheesh to people who we are millions who support and think differently. so you claim that the russian peebles aboard vladimir putin in the russian dumas decision,

even though the un secretary general served the principles of the un charter and norton ala carte menu. oh, very elegant, very aga elegant sir, and you're phrasing, but it has nothing to do with reality. there's nothing to do well. i swear and a shield that it was not russia's choice to lead this situation to such a scale that she had to interfere. and i'm sure if you green is more sober, if the united states talk a sponsoring, can't, endorsing all are also talking action search in from key of source key for with regard to people ordones anglo ganske. this san operation would like surgical operation would end when are their lives here, where is she cute and unit and her nothing more. nobody has

a desire to occupy ukraine. we've had a surgical strikes and the language being used by the russian side is like the language nato used in the rog, libya, syria, and afghanistan, arguably. again, gutierrez said they are not peacekeepers at all. how can there be peacekeepers if civilians ukrainian civilians are dying? ukrainian civilians are not dying for wage and we're reports of civilians dead. and how can any one trust what comes out of the kremlin given they said they were just drills over the past few weeks that he wouldn't invade that he wasn't going to threaten care of. o, you say that you are not trusting coil or gas is not trusting and thank to not

independent source of news or what comes from our country. but sir, are your so so, so reliable after call and towel, you know, showed, or corn starch in glass, saying that this is explosives in iraq. yes, but believe in all sources are saying that this happened that an invasion has happened. but is moscow doing what moscow has been accusing washington of doing all through the so called cold war? well, i moscow is becoming washington only in one respect. that it clearly declares of its national interest and will never used such sure, you know, faker, et cetera. and moscow was all planned when in december it sent designated states and nato, its concerns. it's

a list of concerns. no. mr. coins, which are of crucial importance for and we're waited for 2 months. so the same if keith would be sober and decided to relax, the situation now think would have happened like what is happening to day in a and now like washington coord, let's it, yogi, or jury in english, non liter tioga, what are is entitled to jupiter is not entitled to their boot. it's oh, we're almon layton. cro verb and you know, it's it only arrogant. was there room was an empire to i've got to ask you, do you think diplomacy? and obviously washington denies any wrong doing in all its foreign operations. since 1945 perhaps. will there be diplomacy now to end the current violence?

i think our diplomacy is always needed until it be erroneous to say or when our bombs are exploding to diplomacy is closed. no, no, i am sure. and to i, i would love to hear that there are some diplomatic steps to, to discuss what is happening and what is a good position and shooting of each of the parties concerned. lansky says, diplomacy is over. he found vladimir putin, the result was silence. well, president zalinski ha. oh god with him. he is not doing some church in it. but why? why did vladimir burton not speak to president zalinski before the invasion began?

because zalinski declares that russia, is it more country aggressor long before you know, many years ago in the continues to say so. yeah, well i, they buy a lot of coal from my seller da schwartz in oil gas. so. busy for, you know, salmon to concrete, it's ok because there are no construction materials for lack, always in cash to step kind to ukraine, et cetera. you know, the, our num on to, for a tree to was, ukraine is enormous. you know, is enormous. you claim could flourish between russia and the west. when i say, with 1000000, do you cows milking to girls? you know, because each party, i mean, rush and the westwood new know, earning a pamper ukraine to gain more attention and ukraine could,

could flourish. but no, no, the, no galle shannon irving and been there a man or could not be satisfied with her. and her vague no imposed tender communist nomenklatura or 219 the power to read. it immediately took it, the banners of calisha and philosophy, you know, and her, then it like a snowball. you're only our aggravated and i will always say neighbor, countries on nato countries deny any wrongdoing. they say the blame squarely with russia and her soda's, sir. so, so does it come from key of that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season, the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your country and remember you can continue to watch or going underground episodes on odyssey and latino come very soon.

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