of all this, at the end of a week in which british politicians have been seemingly attempting to interfere with the independent regulation of broadcasting by calling on you k p. m. bars. johnson. to shut down this channel effectively ending press freedom in the u. k. johnson, a former journalist himself claims the doing what the british labor party wanted to do would amount to be being as bad as russia, with nato nations in the u, condemning. russian president vladimir putin for authorizing what russia calls a special military operation against ukraine. after antony blinkin canceled his meeting with russian foreign minister, counterpart survey, leverage nation media is talking about a whole new era in geopolitics. let alone nuclear weapon use here are naughty and had going underground. we seek the question more, as well as provide viewers with all sides of any debate. we have been reaching out to pro ukrainians to hear their side of the ukraine invasion region. the current climate, many do not want to come on to talk to us. we like therefore to extend an invite to any ukranian journalists or politicians watching. now,

do you come on the show and give your side of the story? but joining me now for moscow is natalia nourish at sky, the former vice chairman of international of as committee in the russian duma. thanks so much italia for coming on. not sure how much a british media you're watching. i know you're appearing on on it sometimes. as you might know, ne donation media has been broadcasting. views that vladimir putin has gone mad and burst. johnson has called on the russian people to overthrow what he says is a dictator. it well as the language of course. so for co, modern or western eat leaves much to be, you know, desired because even in the 19th century, the notes are to declare was sure began was mad. sure. more gentlemen long lea, a cavalry or well,

i believe that i met depot, have expected, after the dismemberment of the soviet union. that such huge geopolitics entity as was the historical russian state which grew in centuries and came to actually broom without a word in centers. would just be drafted as a 15 or new states and everything could be stable, et cetera. so this few trial and obsolete paradigm of democracy versus it'll tell italian as you could for them. i explain everything. but what about on my poor ukraine? why poor? because is the grace of my ancestors like it should niga of region and my grand to what father was before evolution director of

a college in chattanooga and my grand grandfather was a priest orthodox priest in saint michael church in chattanooga region. so you understand how, how painful it is all for me. but you grin was composed of a very different and even conflicting. huge. our population and parts are. that's history and vladimir putin in his address or to the nation, explained it or not to say that she's not recognized. they said that just to explain why it had to explode. because gully sham. hadn't shared the destiny was orthodox ukraine for 500 years because it was under poland. trails are in 14 century. then under austro hungarians and then again as polish territory between 2 and world

wars, et cetera. it hates russians. god then must collides for them. we moscow light and i am all some mixture of barbarian mon waltz, who is, ah, ah. busy such sins at while is a ukrainians. they are arians, you know, and we have stolen the key of history and byzantine heritage. so, and we are so huge, and we have multiplied and reached slee oceans. so and they, these people, from golly shit could have become, what now russia ease. but for all that history, since 1945, the united nations was set up. and the un secretary general and tony gutierrez said that recognizing donates andrew hands,

the unilateral measures conflicted directly with the principles of the charter of the united nations. and that in for if also said a name checked the international court of justice. i don't know whether for a brought occasion of letting me bruton, if the un secretary general, who presumably has some of the history books there. if, if antonio gutierrez says this speaking for the un, then garage in federation has committed a crime. or by the way, international court of justice goes into a new one. it just gives legal assessment of a deed or over an or an issue or well, the west bombed sober in yugoslavia signatory to the

o. c. no documents and found father founding father of the united states. the states under the retakes that there were genocide against the albanians . it was not an aggression. according to the western interpretation, it was a humanitarian mission. wise. the west ignores the 8 years going civil war that he started against the nest and no ganske. people who have been shelved for 8 years and civilians does thousands of them were killed in my house. now in moscow lives a woman from logan screech and whose house is think without windows yet, you know, and she is crying every day, et cetera. why is it? and in the recent, these preceding the act to her, of our president,

the shelling exceeded any scale since their fights over the, the last airport. and there was real threat to the lives of people. and you know, and, and you know, in the later nation media, all we hear about our people from their attacking ukraine. but you mentioned yugoslavia on this program we talk time and time again of alleged violations of the un charter by nato members. you mentioned yugoslavia which is often alleged 2 wrongs make a right russia now acting like like the united states. russia. whoa as far as qual, course or what is concerned, there was no referendum at all. and the west recognized course of a contrary to all the rules on to regulations of the laborers. random not let me, let me, let me just say another thing. this is only one aspect of what has happened already

. another aspect is that the west was not sparing any effort to shrink. oh, the russian zone of our security and with every step in this shrinking, were accused more and more of allegedly, being so aggressive had said so we had to pay and to pay for our losses. this drink was compressed to the limit, and mister put him and our government a warrant in december, and they openly, ah, you know, declared the prince boz, which walt ow satisfy russia. exactly, in terms of its legitimate security. just imagine if mexico is declining, jerry ha, america in government and russia stout suck,

lying it with soviet union, stars supplying it with arms miss grosbeaks to from mexico to enters the warsaw pact. oh, do you think? what is united states do in this case, when all will agree? did during the caribbean crisis when cruise shelf and installed, some was watkins well next, reaching the american territory. and we were on the green, also nuclear war that we were wise enough, you know, to step back. so this drink is considered good, compressed isn't it, it can only and, and clench, and that if we have to pay, that's my own opinion. you know, i'm not and being asked that erst state function, i am just an expert. and besides her, my carstairs member of parliament for 1st of all i am a historian and from the family renowned historians. i studied international relations from hg still 20th century. okay. wow. those will arguably,

are generally the we have to re, if we're b let's, it's better to bake for gains and not for losses. while arguably the united states, sir, as a village of han with the mexican revolution in a very different way. and obviously did occupy territory, but then why did vladimir putin say he wasn't going to invade and war were all the russian drills, military drills that occurred in belarus and in russia beforehand, while russian or even the foreign minister. so gay lover of all assuring everyone there would be no invasion. was it just that particular nights shelling by ukraine, that is alleged that cause this invasion? or had this been a plan for months and even years? russia was believing and understanding and seeing that

obviously on the west to have a pretext not to. i'm in the united states, of course, and maybe also britain, because europe is now has no voice. it needed so much intensive ideas, concepts, med center. so, oh, real gang. this, i've been to learn this. according to oslo. spangler asked me to have a pretext, not to answer russia's demands with regard to security. in their situation. certainly spawn served or the aggravation of situation against the region which you grant performed. especially to pro though crash. it was clear. so if you. 4 want this, now you have it because we have left no either wait out or wait with

con to leave our people who beg, rush and where are you? you know, without health. just because just because you are provoked doesn't mean you need to respond to provocation. and you mentioned wrangler. i think hardly the person who the flow is going to degredation of you know, i'm not sure enough. that's a good one to, to mention at this stage value narrative sky. i'll stop you there more from the former vice chairman of international as committee in the russian do after the spring. ah, oh crazy joe biden says those are w m d f dot imminent in the ukraine. well,

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a computer for me for that already completed. done with that you put it in yet. did you want to walk? see yeah, i was ah, welcome back. i'm still here with natalia nurture sky, the former vice chairman of the international affairs committee in the russian duma . the pro moscow line seems to be talking about as offer carrion's and neo nazis. what do you think about the president zalinski saying you are told we are nazis, but can people subordinate is that gave more than 8000000 lives for the victory

over naziism. how can i be a nazi tell my grandpa, who went through the whole war in the infantry of the soviet army and died as a colonel in independence. ukraine. that's what zalinski says. oh, well i, i read. i read this address of mister zelinski. it teaches that he never said it 5 years ago, went noisiest or poor. trish were carried to long and seats of keys with torches and glorifying the hitler. we're henchmen. there are screenings with isn't sure that it in countries here and the media, nato nation countries. and her and busy information picture in europe is totally different from ours. that's why we do not understand each other, you know. and because the, even to glue they are glorifying or been there are that may be the cases where as

you see it, they deny that. and in fact, they continuously. and boris johnson in his statement are comparing the invasion to sedate land implicitly referencing hitler. and we hear the ukrainians continually comparing rather me a good in to hitler. what do you think the russian people, russian politicians rushing to leads and the ordinary russians think when they are being compared to hitler and the nazis routinely now in the united states and in western europe, of course were no dissolution about the west, but you know, the west has all were deuced, it's her, you know, nicholas and tours russian. some 20 years ago. russians were sensitive to

what was said about russia and its leadership in the west. now they couldn't care less anymore because they don't trust the worst. they see that no matter how we behave, we are barbaric, you know, blag zigzag of world history for them. and they are, they can not stand that we are still so wiring and especially they are so hysterical. i'm in the worst that russia, which all its programs and economy in not them enough for, you know, income per, per capita still is zoom only. nation the only people and they only do the ship whose national state will is equal to cumulative. who will of the whole west? and that happens again when hitler conquered the whole europe, because they were afraid of collateral damage because they couldn't risk as

a comfortable life. and it was only rushing the form of soviet union, which declared better grieve than sleeve. and to chris in a glove. and now it repeats that the west now, you know, sort of organized and muley a munich, a court again, 22, orient all what they can use. thankfully we have enough arms so that they never, there are against russia. but after each mune exerted newman, russian, people are now support very much, you know, how much of all protest i sent them in. so russian, there are a lot of pro to sentiments and in russia. i mean during goals is years in new, it's not very calm. in our society, but 90 percent of all these protests are,

are not liberal, but they blame the government. the leadership that it's indecisive a did, doesn't answer the way it should. you know, how much put in russia really grand. if you, if you is that he's greater to a russian people in the ukraine that he doesn't defend them, et cetera. now they said, oh, or, or finally trying their lives. that's real answer to all these at ross, if this again alumnis. and finally, after 8 years of this war, but the, the u. k. daily mail, which i think is involved in a court gaze with for prince harry actually here in britain, they report that 150 senior russian officials of signed an open letter calling the invasion, an unprecedented atrocity. how stable is the russian federation? now the decision has been taken to invade you mentioned how many,

150 senior russian officials probably there are working in the banks and their children. stay in london, oxford or hanging, he ard search for carriers, et cetera. and to teach to people who we are millions who support and think differently. so you claim that the russian peebles aboard rather improving than the russian dumas decision. even though the un secretary general serve the principles of the un charter or norton ala carte menu. also very elegant, very egg, an elegant sir, meaning of phrasing, but it has nothing to do with reality. there's nothing to do well. i swear,

and i feel that it was not russia's choice to lead this situation to such a scale that she had to interfere. and i'm sure if ukraine is more soleberg, if the united states talk are sponsoring, can't, endorsing all are also talking action search in from kia, soft key for, with regard to people ordinary continental ganske. this an operation would like surgical operation would end when are their lives in here we're see cute in there and do nothing more. nobody has a desire to occupy ukraine. we've had a surgical strike some. the language being used by the russian side is like the language nato used in the rog, libya, syria in afghanistan, arguably. again, gutierrez said they are not peacekeepers at all. how can they be peacekeepers if

civilians ukrainian civilians are dying? ukrainian civilians are not dying for wage and we're records of civilians dead. and how can anyone trust what comes out of the kremlin given they said they were just drills over the past few weeks that he wouldn't invade that he wasn't going to threaten care of. busy oh, you say that you are not trusting call, you again says not to asking saying to not independent source of news. so what comes from our country. but so are your so soon reliable after colin powell, you know, showed or caught in storage in glass saying that this is explosives in iraq? yes. but, but even her all sources are saying that this happened that an invasion has

happened. but is masika doing what moscow has been accusing washington of doing all through the so called cold war? well, moscow is becoming washington only in the laundry. spect that it clearly declares of its national interest and will never used such sure, you know, faker, et cetera. and moscow was all planned when in december it sent designated states and nato, its concerns. it's a list of concerns, no. which points which are of crucial importance for and we're waiting for 2 months. so the same if keith would be sober and decided to or relax the situation. now i think would have happened

like, what is happening to day, you know, and now like washington coord leads it yogi, or jewelry in english, non liter tioga, what it is entitled to jupiter is not entitled to her boot. it's oh, we're allman layton, crows, herb. i know it's it only area when i was in my room was an empire. do i've got to ask you, do you think diplomacy? and obviously washington denies any wrongdoing in all its foreign operations. since 1945 perhaps will every diplomacy now to end the current violence i think are diplomacy is always needed until it be erroneous to say or when our bonds are exploding, that term diplomacy is closed? no, no, i am sure and to i, i would love to hear that there are some diplomatic steps to,

to discuss what is happening and what is a good position and shooting of each of the parties concerned helen ski 3rd diplomacy is over. he found vladimir putin, the result was silence. well, president zalinski ha. oh god with him. he is not doing some church in it. but why? why did vladimir burton not speak to president zalinski before the invasion began? because zalinski declares that russia, is it more country aggressor long before you know, many years ago in the continues to say so. yeah. well, are they buy a lot of coal from? marcella of schwartz, new oil gas. so. busy for, you know,

salmon to concrete, it's ok because there are no construction materials for lack always in there. she step kind to ukraine, et cetera. you know, go to our no amount to for 3 to who is ukraine is enormous. you know, is enormous. you claim could flourish between russia and the west. when i say with 3ww new cows milking to girls, you know, because each party, i mean, rush and the westwood new know, earning a pamper ukraine to gain more attention and ukraine could, could flourish. but now no, the no galle shannon and been there a man who could not be satisfied with her. and her vague no imposed tender communist nomenklatura or 219 the power to read.

it immediately took it, the banners of calisha and philosophy, you know, and her, then it like a snowball. you're only our aggravated and i will always a neighbor country zone. nato countries deny any wrongdoing. they say the blame is squarely with russia and her so does her so. so does it come from key of that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season. the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your country and remember you can continue to watch or going underground episodes on odyssey and latino come see very soon, ah, ah ah

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