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johnson, to shut down this channel effectively ending press freedom in the u. k. johnson. the former journalist himself claims the doing what the british labor party want him to do, would amount to be being as bad as russia, with nato nations in the u, condemning. russian president vladimir putin for authorizing what russia calls a special military operation against the graeme. after antony blinkin canceled his meeting with russian foreign minister, counterpart, sergey lever of nation media is talking about a whole new era and geopolitics. let alone nuclear weapon use here are naughty and had going underground. we seek to question more, as well as provide viewers with all sides of any debate. we have been reaching out to pro ukrainians to hear their side of the ukraine invasion later in the current climate. many do not want to come on to talk to us. we like therefore, to extend an invite to any ukrainian journalists or politicians watching now to come on the show and give your side of the story. but joining me now from moscow in natalia nourish at sky, the former vice chairman of the international of as committee in the russian duma.

thanks so much italia for coming on. not sure how much a british media you're watching. i know you're appearing on on it. sometimes, as you might know, ne donation media has been broadcasting. views that vladimir putin has gone mad. and boris johnson has called on the russian people to overthrow what he says is a dictator. it well, as the language of course of her modern or western elite leaves much to be in a desire for because even in the 19th century, the notes are to declare was sure began was made sure more. a gentleman lol lee, or cavaloni, or well i believe that i met t po, have expected, after the dismemberment of this colbert union that such huge jr politic

entity. as was the historical russian state which grew in centuries and came to occasionally boreum with outer ward in centers would just be drafted as a 15 or new states and everything could be stable, et cetera. so this a few trial and obsolete paradigm of democracy versus certified italian is good for them. i explain everything. but what about on my poor ukraine? why poor? because is the grace of my ancestors lie each in need of region and my grand to what father was before revolution, director of a college in chattanooga and my grand grandfather was a priest orthodox priest in saint michael church in chattanooga region. so you

understand how, how painful it is all for me, but you grin was composed of a very different and even conflicting. huge population and parts or that's history and vladimir putin in his address or to the nation, explained it. busy not to say that she's not recognized as said that just to explain why it had to explode because galli sham hadn't shared the destiny. was also looks ukraine for 500 years because it was under poland crest or in 14th century. then under austro hungarians. and then it again as polish territory between 2 world wars, et cetera. it hates russians. god then must collides for

them. we moscow light and i'm all, some mixture of barbarian mon walls always. ah, ah. busy such, shins at while is the ukrainians. they are arians, you know, and we have stolen the key of history and byzantine heritage. so and we are so huge and would have multiplied and reached 3 o sions. so at and z, these people from golly ship could have become what now russia ease. but for all that history, since 1945, the united nations was set up and the un secretary general antonio gutierrez said that recognizing donates andrew hands. the unilateral measures conflicted directly with the principles of the charter of the united nations,

and that in for if also said a name checked the international court of justice. i don't know whether for a broad circulation of vladimir putin, if the un secretary general, who, oh, presumably, has some of the history books there. if, if antonio gutierrez says this speaking for the un, then garages, adoration as committed a crime. or by the way, international court of justice goes into any one. it just gives legal assessment of a deed or over an issue or well, the west mom soccer in yugoslavia, signatory to the boys, see no documents and found father founding father of the united states. the states under the retakes that there were genocide against albanians. it was not

an aggression. according to the western interpretation, it was a humanitarian mission. wise. the west ignores the 80 years going civil war that keith started against the nest and la ganske, people who have been shelved for 8 years and civilians does thousands of them were killed in my house now in moscow lives now a woman from logan's carriage and whose house is think without windows yet, you know, and she is crying every day, et cetera. why is it? and in the recent, these preceding the act to her, of our president, the shelling exceeded any scale since their fights over the, the last airport. and there was real threat to the lives of people and you know,

and as you know, in the later nation media, all we hear about our people from their attacking ukraine. but you mentioned yugoslavia on this program we talk time and time again of alleged violations of the you and charles her by nato members. you mentioned yugoslavia there are, which is often alleged 2 wrongs make a right russia now acting like like the united states. russia. whoa, as far as co course, her work is concerned. there was no referendum at all. and the west recognized course of a contrary to all the rules on to regulation, so they will need to rest random not let me, let me, let me just say another thing. this is only one aspect of what has happened already . another aspect is that the west was not sparing

any effort to shrink. oh, the russian zone of our security and was every step in this, shrinking, wilbur accused more and more of allegedly being so aggressive for her. so we had to pay and to pay for our losses. this drink was compressed to the limit, and mister put him and our government a warrant in december, and they openly, ah, you know, declared the prince bos, which ruled out, satisfy russia. exactly, in terms of its legitimate security. just imagine in mexico is declining. jerry ha, america in government and rational, stout suck, lying it with soviet union. start supplying it with arms. miss grosbeaks to from mexico to enters the warsaw pact. oh, the think,

what is united states do in this case, when all, what great did during the caribbean crisis when cruise shelf installed, some was watkins while next, reaching the american territory. and we were on the green, also nuclear war that we were wise enough. you know, to step back. so this link is considered and compressed as an image. it can only and, and clench. and that if we have to pay, that's my own opinion. you know, i'm not an, as that erst state function. i am just an expert. and besides for my carstairs, member of parliament for 1st of all, i am a historian and from the family renowned historians. i studied international relations from ha, still 20th century. ok, whether it's will arguably, arguably the we have to break it. we're b let's. it's better to bake for games and not for losses. while arguably the

united states, sir had to fill them in japan with the mexican revolution in a very different way, and obviously did occupy territory. but then why did vladimir putin say he wasn't going to invade? and war were all the russian drills, military drills that occurred in belarus and in russia beforehand, while russian or even the foreign minister. so gay lover of all assuring everyone there would be no invasion. was it just that particular nights shelling by ukraine, that is alleged that cause this invasion? or had this been a plan for months and even years? russia was believing and understanding and seeing that obviously in the west, to have

a pretext not to. i'm in the united states, of course, and maybe also britain, because europe is now has no voice. it needed so much intensive ideas. concepts you had sent year, so oh, it's a real long dis. i've been to london according to us for spangler asked me to have a pretext, not to answer rush us demands in regard to security. in their situation. certainly spawn served or the aggravation of situation against a region which you grant performed especially to provo crash. it was clear, so if you want this now you have it because we have left no other, wait out or wait with current to leave our people who beg, rush and where are you,

you know, are without health. so just because just because you are provoked doesn't mean you need to respond to provocation. and you mentioned wrangler. i'd have big, hardly the person. so that's why i was going to degredation of, you know, i'm not sure. and i think that's a good one to, to mention at this stage value narrative sky, i'll stop you there more from the former vice chairman of international affairs committee in the russian do after this break. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it creve even foundation, let it be an arms race is on offense. very dramatic ad i'm going to resist. i'll see how that strategy will be successful. very political time to sit down and talk

with. welcome back. i'm still here with natalia nurture sky, the former vice chairman of the international affairs committee in the russian duma . the pro moscow line seems to be talking about as of battalions and neo nazis. what do you think about the president zalinski saying you are told we are nazis, but can people subordinate is that gave more than 8000000 lives who the victory oven autism? how can i be in nazi? tell my grandpa, who went through the whole war in the infantry of the soviet army and died as a colonel in independence. ukraine. that's what zalinski says. oh, well i, i read. i read the address of the landscape. it's it teaches that he never said it 5 years ago when noisiest portrays, were carried to long seats of keys with torches and glorifying z,

hitler. we're henchmen, there are screenings with sure that it in countries here in the media, in nature, nation countries and, and information picture in europe is totally different from ours. that's why we do not understand each other, you know, because the, even to glue they are glorifying. i've been there that may be the case as well as you see it. they deny that. and in fact, they continuously. and boris johnson in his statement comparing the invasion to sedate land implicitly referencing hitler, and we hear the ukrainians continually comparing rather me a good into hitler. what do you think the russian people, russian politicians rushing to leads and the ordinary russians think when they are

being compared to hitler and the nazis routinely now in the united states and in western europe? well of course we're not the solution about the west, but you know, the west hence oh we're deuced it sir. busy you know, nicholas and towers russian some 20 years ago. russians were sensitive to what was said about to russia and its leadership in the west. now they couldn't care less anymore because they don't trust the worst. they see that no matter how we behave, we are barbaric, you know, blanket zigzag of world history for them. and they are, they cannot stand that we are still sort of wiring and especially they are so hysterical. i'm in the worst that russia are, which all its programs and the corner me in the not in enough for, you know,

income per, per capita still is. zillow only nation. the only people and the on the leadership who's national state will is equal to cumulative. the will of the whole west, and that happens again when hitler concord the whole europe, because they were afraid of collateral damage because they couldn't risk as they are comfortable life. and it was only a rush and the form of soviet union, which declared better grieve than sleeve. and to chris in a glove. and now it repeats the worst now in substance organized in muley, a munich, a court again 22, or he and all what they can use. thankfully we have enough arms so that they

never dare we are against russia. but after each munich, there is noon bank, or russian. people are now support very much, you know, how much of all protest i sent them. and so russian zara, a lot of pro to sentiments and in russia i'm enduring goals is here and you know, it's not very calm. you know, our society, but 90 percent or all these protests are, are not liberal, but they blame the government, the leadership that it's indecisive and it doesn't answer the way it should. you know, how much put in russia really grand, if you, if you is that he is greater to a russian people in the ukraine that he doesn't defended them, et cetera. now they said, oh oh, oh, finally trying, i live. that's real answer to all these atrocities. okay, hold on. mm hm. finally,

after 8 years of this war, but the, the u. k. daily mail, which i think is involved in a court case with for prince harry actually here in britain, they report that 150 senior russian officials have signed an open letter calling the invasion an unprecedented atrocity. how stable is the russian federation? now the decision has been taken to invade you mentioned how many c, 150 senior russian officials. probably there are working in the banks and their children are savvy in london, oxford or hanging he yard, sir. a canary is et cetera. and to teach to people who we are millions who support and think differently. so you claim that the russian peebles

aboard vladimir putin in the russian dumas decision, even though the un secretary general said the principles of the un charter and norton ala carte menu. also very elegant, very aga elegant singing and phrasing, but it has nothing to do with reality. there's nothing to do well. i swear and a shield that it was not russia's choice to lead the situation to such a scale that she had to interfere. and i'm sure if ukraine is more sober, if the united states talked her sponsoring, can't, endorsing all, are also talking action search in from key of source key for, with regard to people on the net continental ganske. this an operation would like surgical operation or end when are their lives here were see cute

and there and urge, nothing more. nobody has a desire to occupy ukraine. we've had a surgical strikes and the language being used by the russian side is like the language nato. used in the rog, libya, syria, and afghanistan, arguably. again, gutierrez said they are not peacekeepers at all. how can they be peacekeepers if civilians ukrainian civilians are dying? ukrainian civilians are not dying for wage and we're reports of civilians dead. and how can any one trust? what comes out of the kremlin given they said they were just drills over the past few weeks that he wouldn't invade that he wasn't going to threaten care of. busy oh,

you say that you are not trusting coil or gas is not trusting and thank to not independent source of news. so what comes from our country? but so are your so so, so reliable after colon powell, you know, showed her court in storage in glass saying that this is explosives in iraq. yes. but, but even her all sources are saying that this happened that an invasion has happened, but is masika doing what moscow has been accusing washington of doing all through the so called cold war? well, i moscow is becoming washington only in one respect, that it clearly declares off its national interest and will never used such sure, you know, faker, et cetera. and moscow was all planned when in december,

it sent to soon as it states and nato, its concerns. it's a list of concerns, you know, which coins, which are of crucial importance for and we're waited for 2 months. so the same if keith would be sober and decided to or relax the situation. now i think would have happened like, what is happening to day in a and now like washington coord leads it yogi. or jewelry in english, non liter tioga, what it is entitled to jupiter is not entitled to their boot. it's oh, we're almon layton. cro verb and oh it's it only arrogant. was it ever room was an empire, do i've got to ask you, do you think diplomacy? and obviously washington denies any wrongdoing in all its foreign operations. since

1945 perhaps. will there be diplomacy now to end the current violence? i think our diplomacy is always needed until it be erroneous to say or when our bonds are exploding, that term diplomacy is closed? no, no, i am sure. and to i, i would love to hear that there are some diplomatic steps to, to discuss what is happening and what is a good position and shooting of each of the parties concerned. lansky thought diplomacy is over. he found vladimir putin, the result was silence. well present and the lance care. oh, oh god with him. he is not doing some church in it but why?

why did vladimir burton not speak to president zalinski before the invasion began? because zalinski declares that russia is it more concrete aggressor? long before you know, many years ago in the continues to see so. yeah, well i, they buy a lot of coal for a marcella of schwartz new oil gas. so. busy for, you know, salmon to concrete, it's ok because there are no construction materials for lack, always in cash in a step kind to ukraine, et cetera. you know, go to our no m on to for our 3 to is ukraine is enormous. you know, is enormous. ukraine could flourish between russia and the west. when i say, was there really near lou cows milking 2 girls? you know, because each party, i mean, rush and the westwood and, you know, earning

a pamper ukraine to gain more attention and ukraine could, could flourish. but now, no, the no galleys shannon irving and been there a man who could not be satisfied with and a vague murray who imposed and the communist nomenklatura or 2. 19 the power to rit immediately took it. the banners of galatians philosophy, you know, and her then it's like a snowball. you're only our aggravated and. busy i will of is a neighbor countries, nato countries, denials wrong doing. they say the blame squarely with russia and her so does her so . so does it come from kia? that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season. the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look, but until then you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your

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