ah, neither a news and tax on other countries economic sanctions are often just the beginning. another thing you like to do is play some military pressure on the countries which are talking about and there has to be an effort to demonize that country and the leader of that country. we have a responsibility for the whole war and we need to make rules for the rest. because without out there we can

do if anybody's been trapped in an elevator, 20 minutes can be pretty long time right and alone. trapped in an elevator for 20 minutes. not knowing what's gonna happen. no. we wore a sense of sensory deprivation. i think that is your life. 20 visits about an hour. not at all. yeah, the intercom is nothing i was trying to get you out. i was keeping you in is your communication? oh, i think sistant, who ah ah,

i'm more of the building. mm . no more on turn, begins with alca, but it does not in there. it will not. and until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped and defeated. ah, i think we've lost more the warranty. so you know, a comparison decline, resort to torture, and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by

torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears were so called test interrogation techniques used by the u. s. officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave no physical traces. it's an extremely destructive practice. torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering. but also on the sidey that becomes

a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy. and that through terrorizing a population, over a period of decades said that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booky man, some danger. first, it was communism. then it was terrorist for obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, the communist policy is force and no doubt as the engage in any political activity or any intelligence. it was not approved.

at the highest level, there was a concern that emerged 1st started coal in the late notice that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break in my mind. and it was that sir of this whole pursuit that lead ultimately to the creation of the she eyes, doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that they hadn't committed or mm.

most importantly was the trial of cardinal months and sky and hungry. and jessica was already in natural war 2, quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal and the primary, the church. they arrested him. they can find him, it was choose of being an aristocrat. he became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church, a man known for his courage under not to pressure that if he could be broken clearly, the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the c i a's reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the

concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques. in the 1920s in 1900 ten's, using sleep deprivation exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w's in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue, and it didn't look like they had been torturing during the korean more. what happened was that there were chapter down american aviators, and there were around 30 pilots that made testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio bear june,

alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people. after the armistice, one, these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brainwash. could you describe the method used by the communist, the cherokee? oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture, all the start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my faith flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was a start day designed to try to wear down

my resistance to their interrogation to break my well power to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control project starts in 1950. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation of british american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral scientists. so these 3 countries, in order to kind of crack the code of human consciousness of medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some other more classified material on people that escaped from the soviet union and have been tortured in the survey and wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had

a personal relationship with alan dell as the head of the cia and with the human ecology of fun walls offered to who does cia essentially a france in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered. i was 11 of the 2 foundational techniques and the cia doctrine of a psychological torture. they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g b or the inc apd practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in a certain position, especially position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely

excruciating. but nobody slain a figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques, the over technique they discovered was from the, the, the, the biomedical research. there was dr. hat's work. he was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolonged monotony. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch, all harsh lines, some due by a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than $24.00 or 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of

producing 3 monotony. it's a horrible experience getting worse and worse for a sub is talked about cooling. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was one subject shed as bad as anything you had left to hitler had ever done to any of his son, teresa victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding, human contact is what makes us human. and a leg enables a person to have it a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation, you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired. and then they came okay. consult with the she i can she had to work for them. is

really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on death. this project funded another guy regale named doctor on camera. what you and cameron did at elmwood on city was, was close to monstrous. ah, i came in psychotherapy, i was just crying, crying cry was a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward you met that man, that the cameron, that's you and cameron. yes, i met him and we were all was terrified of him. why? we all felt fear. we all had a fear of him, and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, whenever there was

a patient with them, the patient was always screaming ah when i was showing wrong when i just don't move to see how it becomes the advocate

an engagement, it was betrayal. when so many find themselves well the part we choose to look so common ground ah, with industry to restore, just look up a little silly muscle around noon. she kitty doesn't being an exemption on nice to me as possible. mama cook as goose creek to somebody to look at that. this ashley of a dc, one of the most of the biggest pieces goes down to one to 3. but of course, i did not put the key, but actually i'm in my work for phones or something like that. and then we got that with them.

these are the days and hours. oh, the occasion professor, you and cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field. at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap pedo with lots of patients to work with last as subs. dad, subjects was somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in ah, worth ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers and they would be subjected to this czar written of xtreme sensory

deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a server football helmet with a tape recorder in it. it would play a tape on look up to 500000 times savings like my mother hates me. and he would blit the brain with drugs and to deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage move. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the banner prolong basis along with what he could sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the site, the a buried behavior, the bad ideas,

the ideas who were messing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas electrical parts of therapy picked up and was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to war. the german army was not going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers. so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into the united states or the clinical note of march 23rd. 1962. confirmed a 129. e. c. t. 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st, november, 3rd, november, 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages myself to those that was falsely acting strange, right. my mother desire to have. i decided to have the bill to the

and find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later and her bathroom has the shock on me. i was in now on for 6 months and this would repeat. yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah. is it what you feel you have been through being the patent? yes, i guess am i say you mean mariah and her different war older a race somehow could be yeah, well. 1 they don't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions at d patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say, if i ask you what were you?

what's that for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? oh, this 1st hospital life. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in this sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i with the 1st 3 weeks,

i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, the, she is doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in the bar counterintelligence interrogation manual. oh hm. mm mm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensory deprivation and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about, dissemination about, diffuse, send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual, like

a resty or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and it seems that milligrams experiment was like an art of this project. what i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2. how is it possible i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the marines permit very simply, was assimilated torture. this was one,

not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to give him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment in try to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get

that man saying that he's i, there i want to learn a lie. so now we must go on until he's done wrong. i refuse to take the responsibility and get her. i mean, he's under our end, it's actually essential. as you continue teacher the still when he left it, i mean ged, go ahead, get wrong, good. as to learn in last i mean i'm going to take the responsibility apparently had was the gentleman responsible for anything that happens here? continue with i national slow. wow. dance truck. music answer plays wrong. ah 95 volts dance. i mean, yeah. he did this simply with a very simple thing,

putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but i make some people behaving a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world, evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people to

get the students involved. i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students who got a president. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants that behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating, lose also, abrupt was quick. it was just, you know, take them off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser. and i was living in the cell.

what some bardo did was a very cheap dark off of the kind of thing that milgram was doing. not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get over. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. we're merely a tool of the research is to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison

guard that i could make myself or that i was responsible for coming up with all these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push up to do jumping jacks, i had never once stop to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah. a harms me. how did you, how does it hard? just to claim that people can be like yeah, it, let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced firsthand. i read about it. i read a lot about it, but i never experienced it firsthand. i've never seen someone turn that way and i

know you're a nice guy. you know, well, you and then what would you have that i don't know. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offense. very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time. time to sit down and talk in united states has always had a variety of tools in use and tax on other countries. we have a responsibility for the whole world and we need to make room for the rest. because

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