is nazis did to terrorize the population in liberated areas, yoko stove, they threaten people, they hunt for people on social media. they look for their relatives in areas controlled by the ukrainian government because they threaten people directly or threaten their relatives. people fear not only for their lives, but also for the lives of their close ones. we've seen as ourselves, empty jails and prisons, murderous and killers armed and released. if only they agreed to fight for kiev, that will carry out assassinations. vicki live here and alleged would be assassin was caught before he could strike against the local businessman, who like many others, welcomed russian troops. the ukrainian security forces visited me in prison, offered me to kill alexander pony mario, the member of parliament. they offered me a new life, new name, new documents, and $10000.00. i don't know why exactly they wanted to kill him. they just said

that he had some relations with russia, ukraine's nationalists and war criminals used to laugh at russian warnings. they were convinced in their own invulnerability, that they would for ever enjoy total dominance over the country. the population by fear and arms. the special operation has changed their minds. they no longer laugh . now they flee, or i'd gasdio haughty from that johnson ukraine. now, did joe biden miss speak some days ago, or is washington actually seeking regime change in russia? crosstalk was on the evidence. that's next. ah ah

ah a ah ah, ah. hello and welcome to crossed out. were all things are considered. i'm funeral about visiting poland. joe biden said out loud, what many in russia have long believed nato expansion has always been about force resume change in russia. and ukraine has been at the center of that strategy. when

people tell you who they are, believe them ah, discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guest, george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have a miro. he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis, strap hole, or a gentleman cross our rules and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciated. i start out with george in budapest, when people call it a gap. george, when it wasn't a gap, he actually said exactly what he thinks, what his administration thinks that must go. we've heard this in an administration that he worked for in the past. obama administration were assad, must go. i mean, so this really the mask is falling off. there's the, there are, have no interest in ending this conflict. and ukraine and the,

and the ukrainians are going to pay a very heavy price for what is not nothing less than hubris. george? yes, it is quite a chilling addressed by by them. because not only did you make that comment right at the end when you talk about the booting cannot remain in power. a whole tone was so belligerent, so aggressive, if you compare that were ronald reagan at his most aggressive like his speech in london in 1982 when he talked about the evil empire by. 6 whose address was more ferocious than anything ronald reagan said at that time. and it was quite chilling. and what was also chilling was that he said, this is going to go on for many years, even for decades. so he's essentially mobilizing europe the united states for a long, protracted cold war comb hot. busy war against russia,

and of course, it doesn't really justify any of that as to why that any of this is necessary. other than russia is evil. brewton is evil, and it really wasn't an extraordinarily, he never envisage any kind of a way to bring this fighting to an end. if so when you look at us, the g says, really, we're going to just go on with this. you know, we're going to keep boring in more and more arms. we're going to keep encouraging. everybody was, was this heightened of belligerent rhetoric. and this is forever. you know, we're going to have to sacrifice our lives for this, this code. or as i say, it's more ferocious than anything we've heard during the war. and i think that it's the very chilling visit vision that by laid out. it's essentially like the other folks of, of centuries ago called it for

a crusade. that's essentially what he's done here. exactly, we, you know, with the concept of war it's, it's a military conflict, but how, you just how you get there, you know, a declaration of war. you know, then there's a, in the anymore, you have surrender, you know, you know, kind of the world war 2 model. we don't have that anymore. there's a state of war going on right now. it's hybrid and it crosses every single sector and plus with the confiscation and freezing of a russian assets as central bank assets. that's a fiduciary matter that is usually been never touched. they've touched it this time . so it's, it's call our whole throated conflict in it's not going to end until apparently one side is vanquished. that's what it sounds like to me. yeah, i agree, but you know, in my opinion, biden leave in such a us because i actually is losing the war you most were

the u. s. last to war the 1st time again, against russia in 2008 in georgia. the last to were again the child i said when the risha decided to support special ed. and those i live in the mid of us with the russian economy is it was the russian economy. wizard's russian army is weakened, the ukrainian army is strong and will defeat the russian army, but it's not the case, it's competed defense. and what i'm, what i'm very surprised that biden can make such a declare some such a war even on economic point of view on the military point of view. but he has no chance actually to, to win it. so yes, again, he leaves in a pallet word, but it's not the only one imminent michael, for instance medical aeration, 2 days ago. and he said the same thing that russia is about to russian economics is about to bankrupt. but it's complete. it's false is going to be false and the russian army, or is it, is about to win this,

we're in the and these economy will be, in my opinion, really, 1st we use the sanctions to finer new markets. newer providers, new opportunities. so it's cert, again, the west, the western elite leave in another world. yes, i georgia, it's, it's, it's almost a fantasy world that are talking about here. before, you know, a big announcement announcing a new cold war. maybe we'll come up with our own term here on cross stock. but we, we had russian officials coming out saying that the 1st phase of their special operation in ukraine has come to an end. what i find very interesting about that and you, and i've talked elsewhere about this is that they, the russian, a military and political leads don't really talk much about what they're doing. ok, unlike what you would get from, you know, a blow by blow, 2nd by 2nd go or something like that. the russians are really quite demure about it . and it makes one think, you know, what the next step is because of course,

russia is losing the war. it's their stall, you know, all this w where there's no evidence of it whatsoever. and then there's a built in assumption that they actually know what the strategy is, but they certainly don't take it away george. right? because the story, the rustle of losing the war was put out on day one. you know, you know, london now or a russia losing or booting was expecting to win this within 24 hours. you know, how one of the london know this, and why would russia assume that you grain population 46000000 armed forces? the size of 260000 jar me particularly one that has been trained replenish for years and years by may. so why would they think it's all going to be over 24 hours? it was never explained, but they created the narrative that russia is losing, and from then on is being repeated every day. the russia losing rushes,

losing the russian offensive assault. and so what, whatever will happen, because at some point, i think russia, it will announce that we have finished with completing our operations. there are going to be any negotiation display that was made. so the united states everybody is selling. so don't negotiate with anything, you know, don't, don't waste your time, you're winning your winning, i will keep helping you. so it's not going to be any the go she ation. so russell at some point and now it's over. we have achieved what we wanted to achieve, and in that moment the western media will was repeat that russia law, russia this fits this was a catastrophic decision by voting will be overthrown in no time at all. because the military leaders will be very dissatisfied with what, who did as a compass, but i think, as i said, russia is accomplishing slowly but surely everything that he's doing and there are

on the ukrainian counter offensive. you know, the ukraine isn't achieving anything military, it's a little skirmish here and there, you know, they destroy an ahmed carrier or something that isn't the counter offensive that isn't winning. and i think you know, that russian what you, what it was to expect is a state, you know, garcia and then you know, ukraine can just a poland can have what's left of you. great. it was about a year ago. i can remember correctly that the foreign minister law offset that if, if the ukraine were to become a member of nato crane is a sovereign state, would cease to exist. they didn't make it into nato, but they, in the thrust to get it in is actually resulted in the same outcome here. if there is no negotiations, which i agree with george, they go up to their roots and they chit chat and they run out the clock. they have no intention of negotiating while their country is falling apart. i mean,

one of the, this is probably the most asinine strategy i've ever heard in my life. meanwhile, up to 4000000 people left the country. i mean, what is going to be left to fight for? i mean, i, the, the strategy coming out of western capitals. is it totally expensive ukraine, in every sense of the word go ahead of, you know, actually the problem was the worst that put in is not the player. and he said on the 5th of march, he said that our demands are clear. we want recognition of for independence. for republics, we want recognition of the creamy as a part of russia. and we want you to know that she kate and to are not released. but it said at the same time, on the 5th of march, this is the current proposal, but there is no dates. you have to respect. and in my opinion, the, the russian demands are changing. know, and if you look at what they do in the cities, a completely control for instance, in class on, in a minute or put in the sooner in valuable,

they put in place and you and ministration. and for instance, or i wrote, i read that in person in the christian region. so we start to use a ruble in april. so in my, you, the russian war mp's have changed because again, the thing that put in could change his mind. but when put in said something, and you said on the 5th of march, you should not accept quickly our demands, our demons would change and it's changing. and so this is the complete fault, the zelinski, and the in ski sponsored fault that they can't accept the fact that when russia said something you said about love learning your one year ago. if you, if you want to take a croyden side, not to do it, we won't accept it. they say that in november in december, if you want to start ethnic cleansing apparition the famous creation solution. so

we will erect, the said exactly. whereas the most of the chief of stuff said it, or the minister of defense to go studied level of study put in, said it, but they don't want to listen. it's a georgia me. i've always found quite whimsical when you read western media, american cable tv, what is people thinking, what is it? why it's always the same thing. just like, why didn't you just go to the kremlin website or pass and maybe just read official announcements. i mean, can take it with a grain as all, but it's there in black and white. it's pretty easy. if you go to task, for example, there, they always write everything in very simple sentences. if you notice that it's very simple. and the strange thing is that now there's a lot of belligerent talk about a, well, why don't we escalate, you know, with, you know, even putting in poland proposes when in these a nato peacekeepers into ukraine, or less of a no fly zone. while our boat isn't going to escalate,

he's not crazy enough to stop the nuclear war. we. it's ok. we can do this. you know, there's no danger of that big. like ambassador michael mccaul say this kind of thing that i put in is it doesn't, it is quite clear that button and the russians are not bluffing. they are very, very serious. and they are making it very clear. if you get involved in this war, we will attack you. we will attack nato and i don't doubt about it. and so it, it. but it's bizarre. people just continue to get, oh no, no. hootin is just bluffing. he's not going to risk a war with a mighty later with mike the united states. believe it or not, do it really go into a short break and after that sharper go can you know our discussion on some real new stay with our ah ah

a news and tax on other countries. we have a responsibility for the hey we need to make rules for the rest. because without us there will be can be a welcome back to cross stuck. were all things are considered. i'm peter. well, this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah,

let's go back to what just george's making a point. we went to the break here in it's something that i thought about and said actually quite a few times. the russians don't bluff the act, and this is a fundamental misunderstanding that the west is had. i mean one of the things and i didn't cross talk after cross talk after cross talk from december all the way to february 24th. is that you're, you're not listening. these are serious demands. actually, ultimatums. call it what they are. you know, if you know, one do nato one to the united states, the decision maker, the united states. if you do not take our demand seriously, is going to end badly. i told you, so this is what's happened here. you know, i could add that it's serious and resolve the bill demands. actually, whether it was the husk for 4 months was ago already. but again, nobody want to listen to them. and actually if you look at the west and the wisdom it, yes, what they do, the, the try to find some sign of, for instance,

the last 4 days of wasn't available because it is working. so it has no time to go to the area. everybody where, where it shows up, you know, they want to find some science. we will show that put in e, he's unhappy by your what happened in a crane? so is going to fire through that, did exactly the same with the chief of the are intelligent surveys or did exactly the same whizzer with a central bank, but no, actually everything going up following the plan. and it was every month and everything is okay. and as you say, just to, just to say, russia said what they want to do, it's always very clear. you just have to listen to what, what they want and what they want. no, it's too and destroys o'quinn army because a men forces of european army is in the east, so they are destroy them in male invaluable. they are not destroying them in the

north region of dun bus, around earth come at us on science. and after that, they're going to move to take the city which are necessary to be taken to or implement in my opinion soon you will political solution in this region. so they will take a is i will take a hunk of there will take this up there will take nicholas and actually is a west. it can't do anything. again that's so this is time to negotiate. but as you said, it exactly, the point is on the surface. lensky sponsor don't want to negotiate. and so if you don't negotiate george, then the russians will all create political facts on the ground that no one can do anything about this is that this is the, the, the now the in the stupidity of this approach here. oh, and plus more and more ukrainians die needlessly when a negotiated and can come about. but that, that, that, that's a,

that's an zalinski. ok, that sounds lensky. but there's, there's a plethora of theories out there of how this will move forward. you and i have talked about in the past, and on the independent states have treaty obligations with russia, a new entity, nobody will see, it would be tightly aligned with russia and the 22 new independent states. and there's nothing anybody can really do about that unless you know, michael mccaul wants to go new killer. ok, nobody will seriously wants to do that. go ahead. yeah, no, that's fine. i mean, they're creating facts on the ground. and unfortunately, no ukraine is led by absolutely disastrous leaders, as has happened really since 2014. and they were, they started off with a big, huge country now with crimea, and they're slowly losing every, you know,

boss on. so this country, they've already lost crimea. they're about to lose, you know, the guns and more of the car and so on there about also to lose know they've already lost the also see goes well lose the black see goes. so that's the result of a terrible leadership in kia that took its lead from the united states on the west. not realizing the united states always has no interest in ukraine, that absolutely no interest in the welfare of ukrainians. they always saw ukraine as just a battering ram against russia, and they have less than that. it's still taking the cues and zalesky probably on the hollywood auster show and everyone will stand up and play. and they love the whole t shirt on shaven look and everything. but it's not delivering anything for ukraine . losing more of this country and going back to bite and speech whitening messages

. this isn't going to go on forever. he doesn't care about what he does. you great, he just wants to go on forever because he sees this politically very useful. the united states isn't really, but nonetheless, by the people around him like victorian london, lincoln. and the rest of this is a really good thing for the united states to believe it. yeah, i think it could end up a run state, you know, it could be called newland stand or maybe a hostile names for it here on a more serious note here. i mean the world is watching all of this. the indians are not on board. the chinese are not on board, most of africa, almost all the south america, as you said, right, quite rightly a few minutes ago, russian security demands were quite reasonable. they were never addressed and said, now you're, you're creating a conflict, whether it's not necessary. and when,

you know, we have the case of the confiscation of venezuela gold. now getting assets from the russian central bank, i think the indian chinese, they know we're not banking with you people anymore. and also the dollar you trifle with it too much. why should we invest in that? this is a financial suicide for the west side. yeah. exactly. actually biden. and the, and the, the western a lead that just killed britain hood. so the, the full tourist, the britta agreements in a $945.00. so the destroys a fortress, they used to dominate the world. and if you look at you are just talking about india, india is about to implement a new system to pay the good the $1.00 to buy in will be chinese. other of the, such a system and no, in russia, every bank want to be connected to the c i. p s. even saudi arabia.

they want to sell the all to china using a you on a currency. so it's a, it's an offer one word and it's the birth of a new one. and this new one is not a including the west. that's a big problem because the future of economy of the world economy is in asia. everybody knows that for the last 15 years. and what we observe know, is that the russia dizzy choice, because we are we, i mean, the west or through russia in the, in the arms of the, in the arm of the, in the end of the china. and i in india, in brazilian brazil don't want, doesn't want to support sanctions against russia even at this moment about. so now ask for risha, asked russia for building submarines. so it's a complete disaster for the west, and i've just lost, does this is incredible, advantageous is a, is a currency. and not only is a dora,

but actually euro as well. nobody will use definitely euro and their us as a reserve currency. and this is a big for in, for instance, for a country like france, because france is a strongly a, some strongly dept either about to buy a crappy on the country of russia. so if we can't use our money to make it to take some credit with a lower rates, it will be very problematic and we are about to, to meet very, very stronger economic crises, currency energy, food. it would be terrible if i had a bad day, a lot of debt as well here in our church. i sometimes wonder if the germans say in the world we should be on the other side of a game because they're going to be crucified. if the bible gets what he wants, ok, essentially this is a flipping the switch off, the lights will go out in europe if biting and, and blinking and sullivan, him,

newman, and boris johnson and sergeant schultz. you know, they all, you know, that and they go down that path. it is just a nomic suicide for the you who would want that currency if germany is not, you know, the factory of europe go ahead. yeah, exactly, and that's the point. once they did this, this is an extraordinary spectrum. seizing a country is a central bank for reserves. well, what country is going to want to hold it? reserves in dollars or euro knowing. but if they pursue any policy that the united states doesn't like that money can be seen, i mean, anything, i mean, you know, let's say that they're doing business with russia. we don't like that. we'll have to, we'll take your currency. so i was it done. she's going to start moving away, you know, i was putting them into different banks holding the money in something different, but just goal oriented we, you know,

something tangible. busy rather than the dollars, but going back your point about the sergeant shows that germany rejected the plan that was envisaged by russia. you know, from the 1990 s on which is a kind of a partnership in russia, in the raw materials of boston market and german industrial. no why germany rejected that is the mystery. but now it's essentially, europe has become completely subordinate to the united states. and really, there isn't any europe, i mean, who's going to do with your, of you much will go to the boss. the boss is washington, you know why, why deal with europe? it's all now you know, at the end of the day, you know, this, this entire strategy to create a euro without russia even against russia. is it severely damaging europe's future? because i would make the claim that this strategy is isolating euro. it's not

isolating. russia certainly not china, not india, not brazil. zavion. actually, it's worse than that because what they're doing know by increasing the energy price, they're destroying the gemini economy, which will be less a performance. and the problem is, at this time 0 opinion leave on germany's money. that's a point and for instance, when i look at the polish government, wanted to put more sanction to complicate the economical situation for germany. and at the same time, they receive 3 percent of the g, d, p as a loan, not as a loan, as a gift from the european union. so a gift from your opinion is a gift from germany, essentially, and from france and from a italia. but what they do know that this brings a european economy, but the lead, thanks to this european economy. and that's,

that's incredible. what they do. as i said in the beginning of this program, they live in a mattress as a cabinet of us. and they don't understand how they get the money and they get away from gemini and others. or you've got out of the time when i like to point out to is the strategy is destroying the west middle class. maybe that's, you know, another topic for another day. i want to thank my guess, here in moscow and go to pass on. i think our viewers are watching as you're not the see you next time. remember, cross ah ah, for

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