ah, ah ah hello and welcome to crossed out. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle or visiting poland. joe biden said out loud, what many in russia have long believed nato eastward expansion has always been about force regime change in russia, and ukraine has been at the center a bad strategy. when people tell you who they are, believe them ah discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guest, george samuel, we in budapest, he's

a podcast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have a marrow. he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis, travel or a gentleman, cross our rules and the fact that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciated. i start out with george in budapest, when people call in a gap, george and it wasn't a gap. he actually said exactly what he thinks, what his administration thinks it must go. we've heard this in an administration that he worked for in the past. obama administration were assad, must go. i mean, so this really the mask is falling off. there's the, there i have no interest in ending this conflict. and ukraine in the, in the ukrainians are going to pay a very heavy price for what is not and nothing less than hubris. george? yes it is. what a chilling address by by them. because not only did you make that comment right at the end when you talk about the putting cannot remain in power. a whole tone was so belligerent, so aggressive, if you compare that were ronald reagan,

at his most aggressive like his speech in london in 1982 when he talked about the evil empire by whose address was more ferocious than anything, ronald reagan said at that time, and it was quite chilling and what was also chilling was that he said this is going to go on for many years, even for decades. so he's essentially mobilizing europe the united states for a long, protracted cold war comb hot. busy war against russia, and of course, it doesn't really justify any of that as to why that any of this is necessary, other than russia is evil. bruton is evil, and it really was an extraordinarily, he never envisage any kind of a way to bring this fighting to an end. it's. so when you look at us,

the g says ready, we're going to just go on with this. you know, we're going to keep boring in more and more arms. we're going to keep encouraging everybody with heightened of belligerent rhetoric. and this is forever. you know, we're going to have to sacrifice our lives for this, this code. or as i say, it's more ferocious than anything we've heard during the cold war. and i think that it's the very chilling visit vision that by laid out a sensually like the other folks of, of centuries ago called it for a crusade. that's essentially what he's done here. exactly. exactly where you know, with the concept of war it's, it's a military conflict, but how you just how you get there, you know, a declaration of war. you know, then there's a, in the anymore, you have surrender, you know, you know, kind of the world war 2 model. we don't have that anymore. there's

a state of war going on right now. it's hybrid in a process, every single sector and plus with the compass cation and freezing of a russian assets and central bank assets. that's a fiduciary matter that is usually been, never touched. they've touched it this time. so it's, it's all out whole throated conflict and it's not going to end until apparently one side is vanquished. that's what it sounds like to me that yeah, yeah, i agree, but you know, in my opinion, biden leave in this such a us because i actually is losing the war you most to were of the u. s. last to war the 1st time again against russia. in 2008 in georgia, the last to were again, the child said when the russia decided to support special ed. and those i live in the center of us with the russian economy. is we? it was the russian economy wizard, the russian army is weakened, the ukrainian army is strong and will defeat the russian army. but it's not the

case, it's completely different. and what i'm, what i'm very surprised that biden can make such a declare some such a war even on economic point of view on the military point of view. but he has no chance actually to win it. so yes, again, he leaves in a pallet word, but it's not the only one imminent call, for instance, method declaration 2 days ago. and he said the same thing that russia is about to the russian economy is about to bankrupt. but it's complete. it's false is going to be false and the russian army, who is it, is about to win this, we're in the and these economy will be, in my opinion, really 1st we use the sanctions to finer new markets. newer providers, new opportunities. so it's again the west, the western elite leave in another world. yes, i georgia it's, it's almost

a fantasy world that are talking about here before, you know, a big announcement announcing a new cold war. maybe we'll come up with our own term here on cross stock, but we have russian officials coming out saying that the 1st phase of their special operation in ukraine has come to an end. what i find very interesting about that and you, and i've talked elsewhere about this, is that the, the russian military and political leads don't really talk much about what they're doing. ok, unlike what you would get from, you know, blow by blow, 2nd by 2nd go or something like that. the russians are really quite demure about it . and it makes one think, you know what the next step is because of course, rush is losing the war. it's there so you know, all this stuff here, there's no evidence of it whatsoever. and then there's a built in assumption that they actually know what the strategy is, but they certainly don't take it away george. right? because the store that russell, losing the war was put out on day one,

london. now russia losing your booting was expecting to win this within 24 hours. you know, how london know this? and why would russia assume that you grain population 46000000 armed forces? the size of 260000 jar me particularly one that has been trained replenish for years and years by made. so why would they think it's all going to be over 24 hours? it was never explained, but they created the narrative that russia losing and from then on it's been repeated over the russia, losing russia, losing the russian offensive assault. and so, what, whatever will happen, because at some point in russia, it will announce that we have finished with completing our operations. there are going to be any negotiations. it's clear that was made. so the united states, everybody is telling don't negotiate with anything, you know, don't,

don't waste your time. you're winning your winning and we keep helping your so it's not going to be any the go she ation. so russell at some point and now it's over. we have achieved what we wanted to achieve. and then that moment the western media will was repeat that russia law, russia this fits this was a catastrophic decision by booting will be overthrown in no time at all. because the military leave is very dissatisfied with what has accomplished. but i think as i said, russia is accomplishing slowly but surely everything that he's doing and there are on the ukrainian counter offensive. you know, the ukraine isn't achieving anything military. it's a little skirmish here and there, you know, they destroy ahmed, no carrier or something that isn't the counter offensive. that isn't winning. and i think that's in russia what you want to watch. it is a state, you know,

garcia and then you know, ukraine can just of poland can have what's left of your grade. it was about a year ago. if i can remember correctly, that the foreign minister love said that if, if the ukraine were to become a member of nato, ukraine is the starboard state would cease to exist, they didn't make it into nato. but the in the thrust to get it in is actually resulted in the same outcome here. if there is no negotiations, which i agree with george, they go up to their roots and they chit chat and they run out the clock. they have no intention of negotiating while their country is falling apart. i mean, one of the, this is probably the most asinine strategy i've ever heard in my life. meanwhile, up to 4000000 people have left the country. i mean, well, what is it going to be left to fight for? i mean, i, the, the strategy coming out of western capitals. is it totally expensive ukraine, in every sense of the word go ahead. no, actually the param for the worst that put in is not a player. and he said on the 5th of march, he said that, oh,

demands are clear. we want recognition of for independence. for republics, we want recognition of the, of the cream a as a part of russia. and we want you to know that she kate and to are not released. but it said at the same time on the 5th of march, this is a current proposal. but there is no dates, you have to respect, and in my opinion, the russian demands are changing. know, and if you look at what they do in the cities, a completely control for instance, in class on, in the middle. and the sooner in malleable, they put in place and you and ministration. and for instance, are arrow road that i read that in person in the christian region. there we start to use a ruble in april. so in my, you, the russian war mp's have changed because again,

the thing that put in could change his mind. but when put in said something, and he said on the 5th of march, if you don't accept quickly, our demands, our demand would change and it's changing. and so this is the complete fault, the zelinski, and the as an excuse sponsors fault that they can't accept the fact that when russia says something you said about love her telling her one year ago if you, if you want to take a crisis, i not to do it, we won't accept it. they say that in november in december, if you want to start ethnic cleansing apparition the famous creation solution a, so we will erect, the said, exactly. yes, the mazda chief of stuff said it's the minister of defense, to go studied level of said, it put in said it, but the don't want to listen. it's a georgia me, i've always founded quite whimsical. when you read western media, american cable tv, what is people thinking, what is it? why?

it's always the same thing. just like, why don't you just go to the kremlin website or thompson, maybe just read official announcements. i mean, can take it with a grain of salt, but it's there in black and white. it's pretty easy. if you go to task, for example, there's a always write everything in very simple sentences. if you notice that it's very simple and it's the strange thing is that now there's a lot of belligerent talk about, hey, well, why don't we escalate, you know, with, you know, even putting in as poland proposes when in these a nato peacekeepers into ukraine or less of a no fly zone while our boat isn't going to escalate. he's not crazy enough to stop the nuclear war. we. it's ok. we can do this in a low. there's no danger that big. like ambassador michael mccaul. say this kind of thing or put in isn't or does, it is quite clear that button and the russians along bluffing. they are very, very serious. and they are making it very clear. if you get involved in this war,

we will attack you, we will attack nato. there are, don't doubt about it. and so is it. but it's bizarre that people just continue to get or know who can is just bluffing. he's not going to risk a war with a mighty later with mike the united states. believe it or not, they were going to go into a short break. and after that sharper go, can you know our discussion on some real new stay with our ah ah a christina it isn't with

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with them. a welcome back to cross up were all things are considered. i and peter labelle, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news let's go back to what just george is making a point. we went to the break here and it's something that i thought about and said actually quite a few times. the russians don't bluff, they act. and this is a bundle, little misunderstanding that the west is hand. i mean one of the things and i didn't cross talk after cross talk after cross talk from december all the way to february 24th. is that you're, you're not listening. these are serious demands. actually, ultimatums, it's call it what they are. you know, if you know,

one do nato one to united states, the decision maker, the united states. if you do not take our demand seriously, is, is going to end badly. i told you, so this is what's happened here. you know, i could add that it's serious and reserve the bill demands. actually, whether it was the husk for 4 months was ago already. but again, nobody want to listen to them. and actually if you look at the west and the wisdom and yes, what they do, the, the try to find some sign of, for instance, the last 4 days ago wasn't available because it is working. so it's not time to go to the i everybody, what we're showing goes of, you know, the want to find some science. we will show that, put in e, he's unhappy by your, what happened in crane. so he's going to fire through the did exactly the same with the chief of the or intelligence service. it did exactly the same with,

with the central bank, but no, actually everything going, following the plan. and it was everything, everything is okay. and as you say, just to, just to say, russia said what they want to do, it's always very clear. you just have to listen to what, what they want and what they want. no, it's too and destroyed sort of korean army because a men forces of european army is in the east, so they have destroyed them in may invaluable zeno destroying them in the north region of dun bus around us come at us on slow young. and after that, they are going to move to texas city, which are necessary to be taken to a clements. in my opinion soon, you will political a solution in this region. so they will take a will take, a hunk of they will take this up, is they will take nicholas and actually is a wescal. can't do anything. again, that's so this is time to negotiate. but as you said, exactly,

the point is on the surface. lensky sponsor don't want to negotiate. and so, if you don't negotiate george, then the russians will all create political facts on the ground that no one can do anything about this is that this is the, the, the now the in the stupidity of this approach here. oh, and plus more and more ukrainians die needlessly when a negotiated and can come about. but that, that, that, that's a, that's an zalinski. ok, that's on the landscape. but there's, there's a plethora of theories out there of how this will move forward. you and i have talked about in the past, and on the independent states have treaty obligations with russia, a new entity, nobody will see, it would be tightly aligned with russia and the 22 new independent states. and there's nothing anybody can really do about that unless you know,

michael mccaul wants to go new killer. ok, nobody will seriously wants to do that. go ahead. yeah, no, that's right. i mean, they're creating facts on the ground and unfortunately, so ukraine is led by absolutely disastrous leaders as has happened really since 2014. and they were, they started off with a big, huge country now with crimea, and they're slowly losing every, you know, boss on. so this country, they've already lost crimea, they're about to lose, you know, the guns and more of the car and so on there about also to lose know they've already lost the also see goes well lose the black sea coast. so that's the result of a terrible leadership in kia that took it lead from the united states on the west. not realizing the united states always has no interest in ukraine,

that absolutely no interest in the welfare of ukrainians. they always saw ukraine as just a battering ram against russia, and they have let's still taking the cues and zaleski who probably on the hollywood auster show. and everyone will stand up and play. and they love the whole t shirt on shaven look and everything. but it's not delivering anything for ukraine, losing more of this country and going back to bite and speech by the messages. this isn't going to go on forever. he doesn't care about what he does. you great. he just wants to go on forever because he sees this politically very useful. the united states isn't really, but nonetheless biting a lot of people around him like victorian london, lincoln. and the rest of this is a really good thing for the united states to politically. yeah, i think it could end up a run state, you know, it could be called newland stand or maybe

a possible names for it here on a more serious note here. i mean the world is watching all of this. the indians are not on board. the chinese are not on board, most of africa, almost all the south america is you said right, quite rightly a few minutes ago, russian security demands were quite reasonable. they were never addressed and said, now you're, you're creating a conflict, whether it's not necessary. and when, you know, we have the case of the confiscation of venezuela gold. now getting assets from the russian central bank, i think the indian chinese, they don't know, we're not banking with you people anymore. and also the dollar you trifle with it too much. why should we invest in that, that this is a financial suicide for the west side. yeah, exactly. actually, biden. and the, and the, the western a lead that just killed britain would. so they killed the,

for the rest, the bridge agreements in a $945.00. so the destroys a fortress. no, they used to dominate the world. and if you look at you are just talking about india, india is about to implement a new system to pay the good the they want to buy in will be chinese, other already such a system and no in russia, every bank want to be connected to the c, i p s, even saudi arabia. they want to sell the all to china using a you on a currency. so it's a, it's an offer one word and it's the birth of a new one. and this new one is not a, including the west. that's a big problem because the future of economy of the world economy is in asia. everybody knows that for the last 15 years. and what we observe know, is that the russia dizzy choice, because we are we, i mean,

the west or through russia, india in the arms of the, in the arm of the, in the end of the china and i in india, in brazilian brazil don't want, doesn't want to support sanctions against russia even at this moment about so now ask for risha, asked russia for building submarines. so it's a complete disaster for the west and they have just lost. does the incredible advantageous is a, is a currency. and not only is a dora, but actually euro as well. nobody will use definitely euro and their us as a reserve currency. and this is a big for in, for instance, for a country like france. because france is earth strongly a, some strongly dept either about to buy crappy on the country of russia. so if we can't use our money to make it to take some credit with a lower rates, it will be very problematic and we are about to, to meet very, very stronger economic crises, currency energy,

food. it would be terrible if i had a bad day, a lot of debt as well here in our church. i sometimes wonder if the germans say in the world we should be on the other side of a game because they're going to be crucified. if the biden gets what he wants, ok, essentially, this is us, flipping the switch off, the lights will go out in europe if biting and, and blinking and sullivan, him, newman, and boris johnson and the sergeant schultz. you know, they all, you know, that and they go down that path. it is just a nomic suicide for the you who would want that currency if germany is not, you know, the factory of europe go ahead. yeah, exactly, and that's the point. once they did this, this is an extraordinary spectrum. seizing a country is the central bank for reserves. well, what country is going to want to hold it?

reserves in dollars a euro knowing. but if they pursue any policy that the united states doesn't like that money can be seen, i mean, anything, i mean, you know, let's say that they're doing business with russia. we don't like that. we'll have, we'll take your currency. so i was in countries are going to start moving away, you know, i'm putting them into different banks holding the money in something different, but just goal oriented we, you know, something tangible. busy rather than of dollars, but going back your point about the sergeant shows that germany rejected the plan that was envisaged by russia. you know, from the 1990 s on which is a kind of a partnership in russia, in the rural materials of boston market and german industrial. no why germany rejected that is the mystery. but now it's essentially, europe has become completely subordinate to the united states. and really,

there isn't any europe, i mean, who's going to do with your, of you much will go to the boss. the boss is washington, you know why, why deal with your but all now, you know, at the end of the day, you know this, this entire strategy to create a euro without russia even against russia, is it's severely damaging europe's future because i would make the claim that this strategy is isolating europe. it's not isolating. russia certainly not china, not india, not brazil. zavion. actually, it's worse than that because what they're doing know by increasing a energy price, they're destroying the german economy, which will be less a performance. and the problem is, at this time 0 opinion leave on germany. money. yeah, that's a point. and for instance, when i look at the polish government, wanted to,

to put more sanction to complicate the economical situation for germany. and at the same time, they receive 3 percent of the g, d, p as a loan, not as a loan, as a gift from the european union. so a gift from your opinion is a gift from germany, essentially, and from france and from a italia. but what they do knows are this brings a european economy, but the leaves, thanks to this european economy. and that's, that's incredible. what they do. as i said in, in the beginning of this program, they're living on a bit of us. and they don't understand how they get the money and they get away from germany. and i like to point out to is the strategy is destroying the west middle class. maybe that's, you know, another topic for another day. i want to thank my guess, here in moscow and go to pass on. i think our viewers are watching us here to see you next time. remember across apples

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