in ukraine, is there still any common ground to be reached? well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by henry on that end of the school of government and politics and the state institute of international relations. this is something that's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you for your invitation. now the launch of the russian military operation in ukraine came as a surprise not only do many in the way, but i also think too many in russia, including myself. it is true that ukraine over the last couple of years, was increasingly being militarized. it is true that it presented an objective security challenge for russia. but do you personally believe that the issue this problem will be addressed in such a way? i mean, sooner or later, and it should have been done this way because russia doing not only this is even before russia has always signalized threats. and the problems which russia

faces in its relations with the western countries, with nato, with each other nato member said along because threats to be rational, security are never, never taken into account the world, i guess the main target and the main goal of the need to doing last years was to pose a try to so russia propose several times a resolution to this problem in a way russia, russia suited. unfortunately, we have heard that it's not going to happen and we're afraid only language. so i think it was predictable that so no later going to happen like this, i asked this question of many of my guess and i want to run it by you as well. do you think the goldman brains in this with which your crane was militarized recently

as well as with which ukraine openly pursued and to russian policy and policies and politics? do you think it was in fact, based on the calculation that no matter what russia may grumble as much as it was, but he would never average use military force against your brain for a whole host of strategic cultural, emotional, psychological, as well as kinship. read them. no, i guess it was. it's keeping in mind your brain is going to be the one to start regression. another one against done, but people living don't us through june and maybe a against russia as well. so the target was that we should try ukraine and the main i'd say target number one would be to bring russia into this

conflict and make this complex as long as possible. and you can see this by looking at the types of the weapons which are provided to your brain there. they are there and to do towards ukrainians is something soft, which reminds me off the way they worked with to tell him. but any other, they just supply them with weapons which are necessary or parts. you don't work for long and very, very demolition for any country and it's economy and it's population of war and they have no other target. there is a territory which should be kind of been in threat to russia, security, one of your colleagues, somebody. and so before the ration that the key problem of russia foreign policy, what did the low because ability of rest. in other words,

the russia was drawing its red lines and was signaling the latest policy. but essentially, you know, decision makers in the west didn't believe that russia would do anything, cannot say in response to that, do you agree with that? so who was most coast or the west that the kremlin repeated or may not take used to the fact that iraq a country which has lost in the cold war and it was maintenance to, to russia for this 2030 years. however, the world has changed in this 30 years and the russian government so many times that there are some territories which present strategic importance for russian federation. and it's not going to be possible to work with those countries

to make them become harder for national union. so are we going to color, economic or military without taking into account the position of russian federation? maybe up to this moment, they go, we're going to thread, we're going to, i'm going to stress the importance of some points, but we're not going to act out in the most decisive way. however, now no one has a very serious when it comes to read last for security. and then this perception has turned into its exact opposite because when you look at how a media russia is intentionally being turned into a prior to gene is presented as a murder psychopath. the tendency to apply psychological

framework for what is essentially a foreign policy analysis. do you think that the manipulation or is the west indeed, who even around on a structural precursors to this crisis? if we talk about lead to countries, they are fully aware of all the speech we have for the moment. but the things you have mentioned, yes, they are mainly used for the inner politics for the kind of pressure or in the civil society. the countries who each are now talking to russian economy and which are also developing some aggression, aggressive measures against the russian federation. because you, you should be able to explain your population why they are going to suffer in the coming winter. why everything is going to be, why, sorry,

triple more expensive than it used to be several months ago. you should make them believe that this is the price they pay for fighting something terrible and something very dangerous for themselves as well. so that's why they are, yes, they are trying to present russia this way because what the united states do in this moment is they can destroy the perspectives and the future of european the car . because for, for the united states, their relations with russia are much less important than for europe in union because the differences almost 10 times our trade balance with the united states is around $30000000000.00 with new york. it's more than 200000000000. so a huge difference here, and that's why it's very difficult to explain to any german or kelly or any

french or i don't know, citizen, no union, why are you going to live in, in a terrible way in the coming y r a way to pay much more for regular products, which you're used to in case you tell them the truth because the truth 8 years ago, a duration tries to and it is a special operation. in this case, is it possible to explain all these things to your citizens? but if your present russia as a terrible country president, a terrible things are much, let me ask you about the reality check that will also have to happen on the russian side. given the sheer scale of the challenge, is that russia to give it up?

and i don't only mean the military operation in the west and sanctions it from other, but also i think our country bears national responsibility for rebuilding the infrastructure . and you know, creating at least a modicum of governance in the ukrainian territory is now under russia's control. do you find all that burden that russia took? wanted south realistic? do you think if can bear it and how long do you think they'll pay and how much it will take away from russia own development? okay, well i think to answer this question, i really have to answer another one. well, don't so many times in different interviews, that special operation might be in ukraine. however, the war is against the west in general, and against the order which we have for this moment. then when the special

operation. and we're going to change that over in the future of ukraine. but also the way the international relations are composed. and the way the international financial system is composed and the way actually in the countries down who's russia is 30 years. this is important because i'm fully, i'm absolutely sure that russia is capable. and it's not really capable. but then russia is going to bring can the special operation to a successful and afterwards, i'm sure that russia is going to get all the points for each for strategic cortez, for russia federation before this special operation and all the requirements and the mass we russia is presented to the ukraine in government, they are all going to be met. but then i'm sure that afterwards the world has to

change and we're going to live in a completely different world. because just to just to make sure that that's going to happen. just imagine that we're doing this one month, the western countries, and the so called global world, it cetera. they have they, they've taken all the resources, they've had, they've taken all the instruments and mechanisms, they have and ages to it, to destroy russian economy. they are everything to destabilize russian political system, then everything, all the steps are taken now are to make the russian citizens protest and oppose its own government, which is not happening. not going to happen for sure, because the russian government is much more legitimate than b american government or, and you can go to, i have to do something here because we need to take a very short break,

but we will be back in just a few moments to talk about how the world is going to change, stacy and i am oh, nice to come to the russian state. i never, i've stayed on the most landscape with within 55 with speedy when else with we will fan in the european union. the kremlin media machine, the state on russia today, and our

t sputnik given our video agency, roughly all brands on youtube and still with me. mm hm. mm. welcome back to was appointment camry. i'm jean of the school of governance and politics and in moscow state institute of international relations. mr said that before they break, we were talking about the shifting world, the weather. and i know that's what you, it is a much bigger issue than just your grand here are ones that historically,

russia has already wise how to shape the architecture will secure it at 1st after the in vienna congress. and then after the yalta conference, i you saying that we are now witnessing a story that time. it's surely going to happen like this. i have no doubt. because as soon as the special operation and russia, yes oh the, in all the points we presented, the demands towards the ukrainian government is very to be obvious that the resources of the united states, which is considered to be the main dictator and the but i can get like a dictatorship that's, that is interesting because if different from

other forms of government is that dictatorship doesn't have any law which is going to limit its power. and we have seen that do not have invaded the countries we say considered they, they could, they never paid attention to any international law obligations. so in the 30 years, they have behaved themselves. and i mean, the traditional relation says, as a dictator, now, when, when it, when it becomes obvious that all the resources they had are not enough to try to, ah, oppose russia. it's very justified the mass, the world will have to change and many countries are now looking at this process. and it should be said that when we succeed in this special operation is going to be much easier for us to talk with friends and with its enemies. with

opponents and with allied is going to be much easier. so many countries around the world now look and see what is this world which exists for this is where the united states for the only center for taking. what is this world politics really capable of what it is capable of? and you don't already all the resources against russia when they are going to fail in their attempts to limit our territories, which she presents for us for russia. then those countries are also going to have their own thoughts on the way they're going to behave in the coming. so i say before that, unlike the united states, russia is not speaking global leadership or level of gemini. not only because it's

clearly a lack of resources to maintain it, but also because essentially, philosophically amounting polar system based on a balance of interest says multiple batter. why that russia has never presented any sort of idea ology or any sort of teaching. which idea would be to incorporate all the nations and all the people of the world into one system or one more the government for 70 years? russia was a common is country, but the economy said there was nothing but russia in europe doing the 1000 used processes through. we see that russia was never the country which intended to create the universe. so teaching, which would be obligatory for all the nations, russia territory or any sort of universal model of governors political system,

political regina center. you can see that those nations which war part of the russian empire, they always kept their own national identity. russia was very thoughtful and very attentive towards their religion and their religious culture and heritage in general. this is the father of physician of russia. whereas when we look at our counterparts, wherever they come, they try to do their left, his liberal political philosophy, which they try to bring into a political systems must. and the universe east cause all over the world wherever they come. and the result of that is best that those system, they just, they don't. and where we have to each are which they become

fail case, there's the worst result, possible speaking risk back that i agree with you. russia historically has demonstrated to its neighbors. busy or even people living within the larger russia . i will, i want to ask you about how it applies to ukraine in this one of your, because you said the russia still have a stake in montana, ukraine's face who ukraine sovereignty provided corps, the science to military and neutrality. why is that? why would the russia be interested in this day and age to have your grand as an independent say, russia has never put as its target into making any other part of writing, duration, or acceleration, or any other state. we've had many cases where part of the stage we populated

by different groups. they have declared their independence and their willingness to be part of russia. that is the thing that happened if the part of ukraine returned to crimea live, ask, and it's done. in republics, they don't wish to be part of russia and they wish to be part of said, or i don't know. maybe they will because there is, i don't know what's going to happen because russia surely not the country to occupy the territory. so for us to say, any territory of the country that has never happened before, and russia declared for many times that our military operation doesn't have target all to plan asap. was that the united states actually,

what the united states actually need desperately needs is a model based on the constant everlasting threat of mutual destruction. so even if americans don't have an enemy that wants to pick up the fight with them, they will have to either in the band one or create some semblance. i've talked to like to try. why would that be beneficial to washington? first of all, the political elite of the united states always needs that in order to to have the political programs and the, and to act the way they usually do the study. they always have someone who was willing to destroy the united states that was not important that was saying, or wal mart duffy or but what all of them have. so i don't know why, but they were so dangerous for the american people that the united states had spend

billions of dollars to act and to our military campaigns, the church of those state or to, to the lives of thousands of their own people. and also the citizen of the country, they haven't made it before. so this is the 1st target, the 2nd one. and you can see as soon as there is russia for the united states as very easy to control the european countries. i mean, one year or 2 years ago, we were talking about the job enormous debt. now each time joseph visits any european country or makes his speeches, he is saying that we're all together. nato countries are together. we are casala, they mainly have because they try to picture russia. and the last one is to

destroy the over the country. so the european continent, it becomes much easier to control, mainly on guessing that the most aggressive neutral member countries are the baltic states and those same are the ones who are pushing the most in the most aggressive against russia. and in order to make to re, or, and the other european country which was before this was so it cared much less about those threats. now it's a very easy way to pressure the public opinion to change the public opinion to consolidate them longer. united states ruling even higher on the higher level. you mentioned a couple of western last or, and for a long time, those wars, the populations of those western countries were isolated from the consequences of

those war. and especially the americans who have the benefits of to oceans. but i think starting about rising especially ban syria, europeans started to feel the pain 1st and to wave my grandson down, you know, responsibilities that they have to increasingly take for the african security nowadays, or with russian crisis. as you mentioned, the europeans are going to see in their stores in that pocket said that gas stations, et cetera. do you think they will still be housed in stockholm syndrome mentality and being a medium to the americans? or can it actually have an opposite effect when to push comes to shock people? and when the, when, when the current is palpable enough, that people may actually change our way of thinking and realize that perhaps the world is not. as they have been told it is, i think so no later the things are going to change. i meant sure that your opinion

is going to exist in a way, at least in a way into this now. and i'm not sure that all in the future. so when we are going to have the next 2 years, maybe we're going to see the 1st result in the european countries. i mean, the wants to take place in half a year in the countries were leading political forces or the ruling forces were to lose maybe a month ago. maybe they are going to succeed now because they were going to lose 2 political parties and leaders, which were not pro ration, but they were much more were they were saying that we cannot exist with russia. we should have a dial or central know because of the history and because of the,

the hysterical propaganda which to last me being the countries neurons for this, for this, for, for at least the law for those political parties is to be much more difficult now. but if you look at the perspective of 23 and 4 years, i think that you are going to suffer a lot because of what they do know they're going to have problems with agriculture . they're going to have problems with guess which oil. and as a result, maybe during the elections, students are now going to have a direct connection between what happens in the period of sanctions which their governments have imposed towards russia and what they have on their shows in the so in any way they are going to boulder, gaze, those governments,

and i'm charges going to same place. i think her, what was going to change a lot for russia as well is that we shouldn't know, wait for the attitude from the european countries change towards russia. or we shouldn't have hopes that you know, going to have another president, and maybe there's going to be better this. i'm going to be better. we should do that in mind. and we should understand what our real national interests are. and we should work in a way that our national interests are always followed by the are the states. if not, we have our last and are actually going to be like this. ok, well, on the slide mr. saturday and we have to leave it here. thank you. very much for meeting with you. thank you for watching hope to see again next week with

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