destruction and who must save the economic future of our continent, or that is for me miss r. i will be back in about 30 minutes with another full infrastructure newsday with our international. ah, is peace at hand, russia, ukraine negotiations. the and the conflict appear to be a real possibility. compromise seems to be prevailing. will this impact the west offensive against russia? ah with mm

hm. well, well, the part, some mind and good instincts have always been, must have qualities for those thinking and welding power. but the definition of food, or even effective politics, is much harder to formulate with russia and the west, non trading accusations of irrationality and even the madness over their senses in ukraine. is there still any common ground to be reached? well, to discuss that i'm now joined by henry, sat on dean of the school government and politics at the state institute over international relations. is there something that is great to talk to you? thank you very much for your time. thank you for your invitation. now the launch of the russian military operation in ukraine came as a surprise not only do many in the way, but i also think too many in russia, including myself. it is true that ukraine over the last couple of years, was increasingly being militarized. it is true that it presented an objective security challenge for russia. but do you personally believe that this issue,

this problem will be addressed in such a way? i mean, sooner or later, it should have been done in this way because russia doing not only this is that even before russia has always signalized threats and the problems which russia faces in its relations with the western countries with nato, with each oh nato member said, along because threats to be rush, security are never taken into account the world, i guess the main target and the main goal of the need to doing day last years was to pose a try to to. so russia proposed several times a resolution to this problem in a way, russia,

unfortunately, we have heard that it's not going to happen and we're afraid only language. so i think it was predictable. so no later, going to happen like this. i asked the question of many of my guess and i wanna run by you as well. do you think the boldness brains in this with which your crane was militarized recently as well as with which ukraine openly pursued and to russian policy and policies and politics? do you think it was in fact, based on the calculation that no matter what russia may rumble as much as it was, but it would never average use military force against your brain for a whole host of strategic cultural, emotional, psychological, as well as kinship. read them. now i guess it was keeping in mind that ukraine is going to be the one to start regression. another one again,

don't much people live in, don't the region and maybe a against russia as well. so the target was that we should know, tries ukraine in the main i'd say target number one would be to bring russia into this conflict and make this complex as long as possible. and you can see this by looking at the types of the weapons which are provided to ukraine. there they are there and to do 2 words. ukrainian says something soft, which reminds me of the way they work with to tell him any other. they just supply them with weapons which are necessary or parted on war for a long and very very demolition for any country. and it's economy and it's population of war and they have no other target,

their territory, which should be kind of sent in threat to russia. security one of your colleagues, somebody saw them before. this is that the key problem of pressure foreign policy. what you did below the village, your craft. in other words, the rush was drawing its red lines and was signaling discomfort made of policies. but essentially, you know, decision makers in the west didn't believe that russia would do anything, cannot say in response to that, do you agree with that? so who was most coast or the west that the kremlin repeated or need not take countries used to the fact that russia a country which has lost in the cold war and there was maintenance to, to russia for this 2030 years. however,

the world has changed in 30 years and the russian government so many times that there are some territories which present strategic importance for russian federation. and it's going to be possible to work with those countries to make them become hard. so traditional unions or we're going to kill or a cannot make or military without taking into account her position of russian federation. maybe up to this moment. they are going to thread, we're going to, i'm going to stress the importance of some points, but we're not in the most decisive way. however, i think now no one has a very serious when it comes to read last for security.

and then this perception has turned into exact opposite because when you look at how a russia is intentionally being turned into a prior fusion is presented as a murder psychopath. the tendency to apply psychological framework for what is essentially a foreign policy analysis. do you think that the manipulation or is there was indeed fully even around or, you know, structural precursors to this crisis. if we talk about lead, don't countries, they are fully aware of all the speech we have for the moment. but the things you have mentioned, yes, they are mainly used for the inner politics and for the kind of pressure or in the civil society, the countries which are now targeting russian economy and which are

also developing some aggression, aggressive measures against russian federation. because you, you, you should be able to explain your population, why they are going to suffer in the coming winter. why everything is going to be, why, sorry, triple more expensive than it used to be several months ago. you should make them believe that this is the price they pay for fighting something terrible and something very dangerous for themselves as well. so that's why they are, yes, they are trying to present russia in this way because what the united states do in this moment is they can destroy the perspectives and the future of european the car . because for, for the united states, their relations with russia are much less important than for europe in union

because the differences almost 10 times our trade balance with the united states is around $30000000000.00 with new york. it's more than 200000000000. so a huge difference here, and that's why it's very difficult to explain to any german or kelly or any french or i don't know, citizen, no, union, why are you going to live in, in a terrible way and the coming? why are you a much more for regular products which you're used to in case you tell them to approve? because the true a ration tries to and it is a special operation in this case. is it possible to explain all these things to

your citizens? but if you're present russia as a terrible country president, a terrible things, etc, is much let me ask you about the reality check that will also have to happen on the russian side. given the sheer scale of the challenges that russia took about it. um, and i don't only mean the military operation and the western sanctions it from other but also i think our country bears national responsibility for rebuilding the infrastructure. and you know, creating at least a modicum of governance in the ukrainian territory is now under russia's control. do you find all that burden that russia took? wanted south realistic? do you think if can bear it and how long do you think they'll take and how much it will take away from reference on development? okay, well i think to answer this question,

i really have to answer another one. well, don't so many times in different interviews, that special operation might be in ukraine. however, the war is against the west, in general, and against the order which we have for this moment. then when the special operation and we're going to change over the future of ukraine. but also the way the international relations are composed and the way the international financial system is composed and the ways actually in the countries russia is 30 years. this is important because i'm fully, i'm absolutely sure that russia is capable. and it's not only the capable but then russia is going to bring can the special operation to a successful lab. and afterwards, i'm sure that russia is going to get all the points for each for

strategic importance, for russian federation, before this special operation and all the requirements and the mass we russia is presented to the ukranian government. they are all going to be met. but then i'm sure that. ready afterwards, the world has to change and we're going to live in a completely different world because just to just to make sure that that's going to happen. just imagine that we're doing this one month, the western countries, and the so called global world, et cetera. they have they, they take all the resources they've had, they've taken all the instruments and mechanisms they had and they just threw, it towed to destroy russian economy. they are doing everything to destabilize russian political system and everything. all the steps that are taken

now are to make the russian citizens protest and oppose its own government, which is not happening. not going to happen for sure, because russian government is much more a legitimate b, american government or, and you can go, i have to do something new here because we need to take a very short break. but we will be back in just a few moments to talk about how the world isn't going to change. state you. ah, a is peace at hand, russia, ukraine, negotiations. the and the conflict appear to be a real possibility. compromise seems to be prevailing. will this impact the west offensive against russia?

ah, welcome back to one of the portsmouth, henry, i'm not the school of government and politics in moscow state institute of international relations. mr. sutton. before the break, we were talking about the shifting world, the weather, and i know that's what you, it is a much bigger issue than just your grand. you are ones that historically, russia has already wise how to shape architecture will secure 1st after the be on the congress. and then after the delta conference i you saying that we are now witnessing the time. it's surely going to happen like this. and i have no doubt, because as soon as the special operation ends in russia gets all the,

all the points which are presented, the demands towards ukrainian government is going to be obvious that the resources of the united states, which is considered to be the main dictator and i can get like a dictatorship that's, that is interesting because if different from other forms of government is that dictatorship doesn't have any law which is going to limit its power. and we have seen that do not have invaded the countries which they consider they, they could, they never paid attention to any international law obligations. so in the 30 is they behave themselves. and i mean, the traditional relation says, as a dictator,

now, when, when, when it becomes obvious that all the resources they had are not enough to try to oppose russia. it's very justified the mass, the world will have to change. and many countries are now looking at this process and it should be said that when we succeed in this special operation is going to be much easier for us to talk with friends and with its enemies, with its opponents and with allied is going to be much easier so many countries around the world look and see what is this world which exists it for the 30 years. we're now to stage 4. the only center for taking what is this world politics really capable of what it is capable of?

if you don't already use this all the resources against russia and when they are going to fail in their attempts to limit our influence the territories which prevents from importance for russia, then those countries are also going to have their own the way they're going to behave in the coming before that, unlike the united states that russia is not speaking global leadership or global hegemony. not only because it's clearly a lack of resources to maintain it, but also because essentially philosophically amounting polar system based on a balance of interest. since law school better, why is that? russia has never presented any sort of idea ology or any sort of teaching. which idea would be to incorporate all the nations and all the people of the world into one system or one mother of government

for 70 years? russia was the communist country, but today the economy started. the only issue was that the russia in europe doing the 1000 used processes through. we see that russia was never the country which intended to create the universe. so teaching, which would be obligatory for all the nations, russia territory or any sort of universal model of governors, political system, political regime, the center. you can see that those nations which war part of the them for, they always kept their own national identity. russia was very thoughtful and very attentive towards their religion and their religious culture and heritage in general, this is the follows of traditional russia. whereas when we look at our counterparts,

we see that wherever they come, they try to their left, his liberal political philosophy which they try to bring to a political systems, mass, media, universe, the schools over the and the result of the best that those systems, they just they don't a char, we, which become a worst result, possible speaking or respect that i agree with you. russia historically has demonstrated to its neighbors or even people living with in the larger russia. i want to ask you about how it applies to ukraine in europe. because you are actually still has a stake in montana ukraine's i stayed with an ukraine,

someone can provide it or is that it ties to military neutrality? why is that? why would be interested in the same age to having a plan as an independent state? well, russia never put a target to making any other part of russian federation or x ation or any other state many cases or a different groups. they have declared their independence and willingness to be part of russia. that is the thing that happened. but if the parts of ukraine returned to crimea looked, ask, and it's done in republics, they don't wish to be part of russia and they wish to be part of the state or i

don't know, maybe they will be there on this. i don't know what's going to happen in becoming russia, surely not the country to offer by the territories of, for a states and to. and it said, any territory of the country that never happened before. and russia declared for many times that our military operation doesn't have target onto playing. ukraine said was that the united states, actually, what the united states actually needs desperately needs is a model based on the constant, everlasting, radical, mutual destruction. so even if the americans don't have a need that once to pick up the fight with them, they will have to either in one or wait some semblance of this. i've talked to lifting, strive, why would that be beneficial to washington? first of all, the political elite, the united states,

we needed that in order to to have the political programs and the, and to act the way they usually do the study. they always have someone who was willing to destroy the united states that was not important. that was saying, or wal mart duffy or but what all of them have. so i don't know why they were so dangerous for the american people that the united states had spent billions of dollars to act and to start military campaigns. the church of those stage or 2 to the lives of thousands of their own people and also the flow. so the citizen, so the country, they haven't made it before. so this is the 1st target, the 2nd one. and you can see as soon as there is russia for the united states as

very easy to control the european countries. i mean, one year or 2 years ago, we were talking about the job enormous debt. now each time joseph visits any european country or makes his speeches, he is saying that we're all together. neutral countries are together. we are casala mainly have because they tried to picture russia. and the last one is to destroy the over the country. so the european continent becomes much easier to control mainly on guessing that the most aggressive neutral member countries are the baltic states. and those are the ones who are pushing the most in the most aggressive against russia. and in order to make easily or any other european

country, which was before this was so it cared much less about those threats . now it's a very easy way to pressure the public opinion to change the public opinion to consolidate them longer. united states ruling even higher on the higher level. you mentioned a couple of western last or, and for a long time, those wars, the populations of those western countries were isolated from the consequences of those war, especially the americans who have the benefits of to oceans. but i think starting about rising, especially when syria, the europeans started to feel the pain 1st in the way, my grandson, that you know, responsibilities that they have to increasingly take for the african security nowadays, or with russian crisis. as you mentioned, the europeans are going to see the, in their stores in that pocket said that gas stations,

et cetera. do you think they will still be housed in stockholm syndrome mentality and being a medium to the americans? or can it actually have an opposite effect? when to push comes to shock people, and when the, when, when the current is palpable enough, that people may actually changed our way of thinking and realize that perhaps the world is not. as they have been told it is. i think so, no later the things i'm going to change. i'm not sure that the european union is going to exist in a way, at least in a way into this now. and i'm not sure that all in the future. so when we are going to have the next 2 years, maybe we're going to see the 1st result in the european countries. i mean, the wants to take place in half a year in the countries were leading political forces or the ruling forces

were to lose maybe a month ago. maybe they are going to succeed now because they were going to lose 2 political parties and leaders, which were not pro ration, but they were much more were they were saying that we cannot exist with russia. we should have, you know, because of the history. and because of the, the hysterical propaganda which to last me being the countries neurons for this, for this, for, for at least the law for those political parties is going to be much more difficult now. but if you look at the perspective of 23 and 4 years, i think that you are going to suffer

a lot because of what they do know they're going to have problems with agriculture . they're going to have problems with guess which oil. and as a result, maybe during the elections, citizens are now going to have a direct connection between what happens in the period of sanctions which their governments have imposed towards russia and what they have on their shows in the so in any way they are going to boulder game, those governments, and i'm trying to place i think her, what was going to change a lot for russia as well. that we shouldn't wait for the attitude from the european countries change towards russia. or we shouldn't have hopes that you know, they're going to have another president and maybe there's going to be better this. i'm going to be better. we should do that in mind. and we should understand what

our real national interests are. and we should work in a way that our national interests are always followed by the are the states. if not, we have our last and are actually going to be like this. ok, well, on this point, mr. saturday. and we have to leave it here and thank you very much for being with us. thank you. thank you for watching hope to see again next week with mm. news

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