ah, a dime african retention. you're watching going underground team and i will be back soon with a brand new look, despite nato nation in the you, censorship. but until then, we'll be showing some of your favorite shows of the season so far. as nations around the world continue to react and punish russia over its invasion of ukraine in violation of the un charter. but if the un secretary general was convinced that moscow had violated international law, why, when joe biden arguably watered down the condemnation of russia for circle chapter

6, violation seeking peace, did not just china and the u. e, but the world so called biggest democracy, india failed to support washington. joining me now has ameritas professor of strategic studies and new delhi center policy research, rama celine. thank you so much for coming on. what have you made for putins? violation of the you had charge and why have you said india will not be able to escape the largest or the larger strategic ramifications of the ukraine wool? oh, 1st, what's happening? is it or to ship moment and international relations? this mark statement of a new cold war was ramifications will extend to every corner of the world. the russian invasion of ukraine under sanctions sentence reprisals of yosemite lies are compounding the national crisis. because the politics was already quite lucky if the russian ambition. but things have become tragic and all the time since the

nation began. and the cutting prices have the makings of have grown out and dangerous confrontation between russia and the west, particularly nato. and as we all know, the crisis is already affecting the global economy. with high energy prices and supply chain destructions said to fuel inflation and slaughter nomic growth and india cannot skip these medications. and of course, the larger issue is that the rest is snapping. it's supposed to close war ties with moscow, despite the risk of meeting strategic instability globally. in fact, the us live response appeals in that affecting regime change in moscow eventually. so this is a critical modeling, the national relations, and i think there have been miscalculations both by president gotten and also by

the western block. well, i think nato countries would surely say, miscalculations would be made in delhi. why? when albania in the united states had the chapter 7 motion water down to chapter 6, did, did providence to moody se wouldn't support it? why did they not supported when there's a time of war? and certainly here the view is that any refusal to vote with washington and nato prolongs the misery of ordinary ukrainians. what would be achieved by condemning russia and damming a country for the sake of condemning it doesn't want foreign policy interest. yet never even the boss condemn united states for meaning iraq or libya or any other country. condemnation is part of indian diplomacy. in any case,

russia and the united states are both close friends of india to walk into the magic stateroom. that's to do a balancing act which were becoming moving me. this is called given the fact that what we're seeing is that but of a nuclear wall that's going to seriously compound in this strictly the challenges also affect its close defense stays with moscow. for example, given the financial tension said, the west as imposing in russia, holland yet be with the weapons it buys from russia. there's just one or many things. it is also investing in russian oil and gas sector implants to invest in the russian far east. how will these plans, truck defy,

given these mounting sanctions against russia? so for india, this is, this crisis really is complicating, it's mostly, and also the pursuit of long comes credited to chris, complicating it, or speeding up the adoption by india, of alternative methods of financing. as opposed to say the brussels may swift system and others. now, india can use new methods of financing, often disgusted bricks meetings, shang i cooperation, organization meetings, non align, move would meetings. so many trans national meetings that have occurred over the past. what 50 years 70. since world war 2, you ascii, right? and i think by eliminating the system of weaponized thing,

an energy pipeline. and by cutting russia off from western lead institution is the us is actually undermining those wedding institutions. because countries will be forced to true alternatives or develop alternatives. so russia example will have to trade in rebel and rupee as it did bring the solid times. so any guidance situation well have to be met with innovative methods. so i don't expect the russia and the relationship to snap because of the financial fractions, require a lot of work, both in utility and must go to maintain in relationship that as to why,

for so many decades. in fact, it, as it has solidified. despite the profound changes in the world, in the past half a century, that relationship has been seen in new delhi as a relationship where they cried in test a trend. but at the same time, in i says, has also become increasingly important to india. so how does india balance 2 important relationships in a new cornwall? that's going to be a huge challenge for policy makers in new delhi. well, some would say it's very easy and your hesitancy is because as you know, he well. and because you see china is a big adversary, that it may necessitate closer ties between your foe. he across the valley between pakistan and india, and china. and that's why you're hesitant about this closer relationship with

russia without the u. s. and nato countries involved because it will necessitate closer relationships with china. that's your problem. and surely, anthony blink and the former west exec consultant who's now secretary of state that alone jake sullivan. realize full well that there are dangers of moving russia closer to currencies other than the dollar. and his thought on par made the calculation bandit from the dollar while you brought in china, which is so important. look at the international crisis that was created even before fortran launched the invasion of ukraine. yet how many of them in the world know that for the past 22 months india has faced it shining this aggression. it counties, aggression in roaming up to 200000 chinese troops. that

invasion, whatever you call it, began in april 2020. when try these forces furtively encroach on several key border areas in the northern was the indian region of the dock. since then, the military build ups have only escalated, creating the danger up in full scale wall. well, we, we invite the chinese bastards in the un united nations. but basically what, so your point and the point of many in the leads in india is they don't want us to abandon its relationship with russia because they want russia alongside them in their attack on china. russia and india had fairly similar views on stability in asia. or, or ratio. and that bilateral relationship has stood the

test of time. chinese kelly, an important factor in this relationship. even in this present military crisis based with the russians have been so so helpful. especially in helping get to fortify it offenses. so that really underscore the importance of russia for india. i don't think you can afford to see that relationship degrade in any manner. but i wrote it clea, the pakistani prime minister iran guy was in moscow at the time that we put in was clearly planning sending the troops into ukraine. brazil is not being that supportive of nato countries in washington bricks never been stronger than that. now, given that brazil india and india is perceived emily nuclear fellow enemy of

august sun, since they all seem to be against the nato and the u. s. line. but india isn't the unique position of having to nuclear armed at groceries. china and pakistan that actually close alliance. so it's a strategic triangle in which india against china and pakistan and given that stock reality. and given the fact that drake's increasingly has come under the chinese shadow, india has to be very cautious in relying on pricks as a institution. the bricks have this value, but british is currently not

a credible alternative to other international institutions, but a very much investment rates. because there are to exaggerate the bottom so bricks the factors that a country like india given this security predicament, has to deal with the realities that it faces. what, what is, what do you expect? the u. s. a. nato to do to india because of its lack of support, arguably for the civilians dying in the streets of ukraine. what has the american president spoken, even though word on the chinese bottom ration against india has any best and head of government supported india in the current military crisis that in that conference, usually chinese aggression answer is no. so why should be alternate support

though they still stand against russia? if you have a dog to fight against nothing, from taking a position that was on the mind with relationship with moscow, you know the same time india has done not c til undercarriage. we bought a relationship but with washington, and they are people in the state department who have set on set off the record to the media. the understand india has got lemme and the dollar why. so why abstain from the in the security council? i don't, i don't see how the us auditor i went to take revenge on india just because in the apps the from, from a lot the you wouldn't security council for his brother lading. i'll stop you there more from the national security specialist and emeritus professor of strategic

strategies at new daily's center for policy research. after this break i mean with with, with you, i'm with welcome back. i'm still here with professor brown delaney, international security specialist, and americans professor of strategic studies,

a new daily center for policy research. so india attacks shine or over perceived un violations un resolution violations, but refuses to attack russia. after the secretary general of the united nations said it violated international law. well, in yeah, never attacked china over while any, any un resolutions because criticized china for violating bilateral agreements, binding bilateral agreements, of course, then you violate, violated while it, bilateral agreement to you, while international law. because bilateral agreements are barton parcel of international law. yeah. not even un resolutions, and yet with russia, you won't vote with international law against moscow. well, if you look at the history of this century alone,

they have been so many multiple foreign military invasions of sovereign states in the century. along the year, 2000 began with the us invasion of afghanistan, then followed an invasion which is monday by a un resolution. well, the, the, you and has become increased marginalized in the human stamp of approval or anything mean human kind of a pro can come even ran a country flow to international law. for example, the us invasion of iraq and occupational the country using the protects, that there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq have the human stamp of approval. but that didn't make it legitimate. international law,

s b, c, it is powerful against the policy and policy against the powerful extra harsh reality might makes right is still very much intact and it was century example. today, the western block talks about upholding the rules based order what, what the order is back. the fact is that those look at in order others make the routes for the world have been a trade or weapon iving. energy weapon being served is certainly not uploading. enrolled space stronger. well one can mention syria canister on iraq, livia and so on. but then what the view of prime minister moody is 2 wrongs make a right therefore don't vote with the u. s. at the security council. as i mentioned,

it never, never fits and adjustment on any countries, aggression, a case in the country has never condemned any military nation. well, this story and condemns package. it condensed focused on the use of terrorism as an instrument of policy against india, against our guy miss was india, victim of that kind of use of terrorism. but certainly, india has demonstrated in moral judgment on the military actions of any bar that's never been part of indian diplomacy. do you think the united states for saw what was going on as it pulled out of afghanistan after it's longest war in his defeat in afghanistan?

that that's why it was boring weapons in the ukraine ahead of what putin says is a provoke provocation. and what nato in the u. n says, was his illegal invasion garner tons, defeated, humiliations, united states was a watershed moment and certainly but by the on the defensive. and he tried to die with attention. he made some important strategic miscalculations just the way good. he had made some sort of different calculations. first, which calculation on the part of binding was that he could use the sanctions to deter russia from in reading ukraine? the problem is that the us true will use of sanctions as a blanket instrument of sanctions by repeatedly slapping sanctions on russia when

the boss, 8 years or so. so the object of preventing russia from in meeting ukraine and failed miserably. and miscalculation was not to take walton's threat of an invasion seriously by giving him the security assurances they demanded security or trans than the us. and they don't want to turn ukraine into a of prime line launched by the russia, by, by deploying offensive weapons on new created inside almost 3 months or so. we're trying to guarantee it is wanting to ignored repeatedly. and there was also a bottomless combination of you on the, on, on the part of putting in international relations. you can, by mounting a credible like regret,

achieve an object without the need to actually execute the correct. where do you put in the long term really build up against ukraine? we compare us to abandon its policy of nato creek to russian borders. he woke up the was the dangers of natal expansionism. commentators even in the us began asking whether expanding to russia borders and thereby prompted russia to re militarize was an american interest. in fact, as you know, the military build up on nuclear waters kept the us on the ropes with bite and wanting for days on end. the nation was coming is sort of sustaining that threat. putting decided to execute the track even though controlling the outcome of the warm ones that this launch is literally impossible. so i think he could have

achieved more sustaining. that's right. this is sort of actually launching the nation. obviously, moscow appears to relieve their course of actions are the right ones and risking all is the way forward in the united states thinks that the united states thinks that term there must be, even if it perhaps risks nuclear war. the ability for ukraine to join nato. that's what the european union also firmly believes. so, i mean, the point here is already said, sorry to drop there, but obviously the largest are 850000 soldiers in the russian army. but european union nations good in germany, ascending in masses of weapons now into ukraine. do you think they think in washington and nato headquarters in brussels at b, a u parliament in brussels, in strasburg, that ukraine can beat the red army as they pour in these weapons?

if not, why would they pour in the weapons? the strategy is very clear now that they persuade not only containment to a point or a case, russia, they also crank to engineer. i've gone on to point all against russia, just the way the engineered russian in winning poses. and a gun is done in a military quagmire in the 1980s, by long j, their biggest corporate operation in c. s. history. now in addition to the harsh sanctions that have been imposed on russia, they are so look, and it's least seeking to ensnare and trash here in a similar military quagmire in new cree bye for

a huge will. it for you to sauces. by arming the resistance, the insurgency, they want and bleed russia, that to strategy, or whether they succeed or not. well, he tangled girl, but the strategies when a care, in fact, biden has asked congress for an additional $6400000000.00 for a wide armed and either military aid ukrainian forces, whether they are armed forces, the resistance forces in sentence that says, carrying amount of money that biden is willing to warranty ukraine. those are certainly the figures being thrown around. hell in capitol hill when it comes to the budget then. so apart from all these countries in the global south using turning away from the dollar to get round the sanctions and so on. why do you

think politicians in the russian duma wanted their boots in to support the recognition of don yet skin to hands and pushed boot in whoever's he wanted it as well to act in this way. if you believe it, sir, you appear to believe it's a catastrophic geopolitical mistake, let alone it's the legality. under international law. well, recognizing the tool trickery of republics could have been seen as botto mounting, credible threat that could have posed the u. s. and nato, who concedes what russia was asking back to actually launch an invasion. was something completely different that tragic and was i'll moment of to they could get worse without caution

imprudence on both size. but why would this such a mistake? is this a low cost strategy? but it's very clear what the military objectives. oh, are in relation to ukraine. what do you think the chief, because, as you can see from the line to attacks that need 3 lines of attack that russia has mounted in ukraine, it's starting to occupy the entire country. what are the military objectives of it from a difficult to guess? he's certainly not to do an extra whole of ukraine lease in terms of the military operations so far. but my biggest concern is this, as a history of this is the only last rates. foreign military invasions have decent

lives to sovereign states. and as iraq syria nikia on demonstrate such innovations of triggered, unending wireless and bloodshed and russia invasion and the u. s. plan to arm ukraine's to believe pressure threatened to turn your credit into assyria or libya . this will have made implications both for russia security, as, as when, as well, europe and security that said for one of your favorite shows of this season, the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then you can keep in touch viral on social media if it's available in your country and remember, you can continue to watch all going underground episodes on odyssey that are tito come see very soon ah ah ah, is peace at hand russia ukraine negotiations to end, the conflict appeared to be

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