ah ah, a tooth i'm african retention. you're watching going on the ground, the team, and i will be back soon with a brand new look. does white nato nation in the you censorship? but until then we'll be showing some of your favorite shows a for season. so far as nations around the world continue to react and punish russia over its invasion of ukraine in violation of the un charter. but if the un

secretary general was convinced that moscow had violated international law, why when joe biden arguably watered down the condemnation of russia for so called chapter 6, violation seeking peace, did not just china and the u. e, but the world so called biggest democracy, india failed to support washington. joining me now has ameritas professor of strategic studies and new delhi center policy research, rama celine. thank you so much for joining me for coming on. what have you made for putins? violation of the you had charge and why have you said india will not be able to escape the largest or the larger strategic ramifications of the ukraine wall? first, what's happening is it or to ship moment in international relations. this mark statement of a new law who is from if occasions will extend to every corner of the world, the russian invasion of ukraine under sanctions centered reprisals of us. and it's eyes are compounding the national crisis because the politics was

already quite lucky if the russian ambition things have become tragic and all the time since the nation began. and the cutting prices have the making of a grown out and dangerous confrontation between russia and the west, particularly nato. and as we all know, the crisis is already affecting the global economy with high energy prices and supply chain destructions said to fuel inflation and slow economic growth. and india cannot skip these medications. and of course, the larger issue is that the rest is snapping. it's supposed to close war ties with moscow, despite the risk of meeting strip to tick instability globally. in fact, the u. s. live response appeals in dec effective regime change in moscow eventually

. so this is the critical modeling, the national nations, and i think they have been miscalculations both by president gotten and also by the western block. well, i think a nato countries would surely say miscalculations would be made in deli why when albania in the united states had the chapter 7, motion water down to chapter 6. did the prime minister moody say he wouldn't supported? why did they not supported when there's a time of war? and certainly here the view is that any refusal to vote with washington and nato prolongs the misery of ordinary ukrainians. what would have any or cheap by condemning russia and damming a country for the sake of condemning it doesn't want our policy interest

endeavor and even the boss can then i states for reading iraq or libya or any other country. condemnation is strong part of indian diplomacy. in any case, russia and the united states are both close friends of india to walk into medic tightrope. that's to do a balancing act which are becoming, making me difficult. given the fact that what you're seeing is that went up a nuclear wall that's going to seriously compound in just strictly the challenges also affect its close defense statement. moscow, for example, given the financial tension said, the west as imposing in russia. how will it be with the weapons it buys from russia? there's just one or many things. it is also investing in russian oil and gas

sector plans to invest in the russian far east. how will these plans truck defy given these mounting sanctions against russia? so for india, this is, this crisis really is complicating, it's mostly, and also it's pursuit of long comes credited to chris, complicating it, or speeding up the adoption by india, of alternative methods of financing. as opposed to say the brussels based swift system and others. now, india can use new methods of financing, often discussed in bricks meetings, shang i cooperation, organization meetings, non align, move would meetings, so many trans national meetings that have occurred over the past. what

50 years? 70 since world war 2. you asked me right. and i think by eliminating the system of weaponized thing, an energy pipeline. and by cutting rochelle off from western lead institution is the us is actually undermining those wedding institutions. because countries will be forced to choose alternatives or develop alternatives. so russia example will have to trade in rebel and rupee as it did bring the solid times. so any guidance situation well, have to be met with innovative methods. so i don't expect

the russia and the relationship to snap because of the financial fractions, require a lot of work, both in utility and must go to maintain in relationship. that's why, for so many decades. in fact, it as it has solidified. despite the profound changes in the world, in the past half a century, that relationship has been seen in new delhi as a relationship with a pride in test, a trend. but at the same time, in, i says, has also become increasingly important to india. so how does india balance 2 important relationships in a new cornwall? that's going to be a huge challenge for policy makers in new delhi. well, some would say it's very easy and your hesitancy is because as you know, he well. and because you see china is a big adversary, that it may necessitate closer ties between your foe. he across the valley

between pakistan and india, and china. and that's why you're hesitant about this closer relationship with russia without the u. s. in nature, countries involved because it will necessitate closer relationships with china. that's your problem. and surely, and to the blink and the former west exec consultant who's now secretary of state that alone jake sullivan. realize full well that there are dangers of moving russia closer to currencies other than the dollar. and his thought on par made the calculation banner from the dollar. well, you brought in china, which is so important. look at the international crisis that was created even before fortran launched the invasion of ukraine. yet harmony leave them in the world. know that for the past 22 months, india has faced it,

chinese aggression, it trans aggression, enrolling up to 200000 jennings groups. that invasion aggression. what do we call? it began in april 2020. when chinese forces furtively encroach on several key border areas in the northern was the indian region of the dock. since then the military build ups have only escalated, creating the danger of being full scale wall. well, we, we invite the chinese bastards in the un united nations, but basically what, so your point and the point of many in the leads in india is they don't want us to abandon its relationship with russia because they want russia alongside them in their attack on china, russia and india haven't had fairly similar views

on stability in asia or, or eurasia. and that bilateral relationship has stood the test of time. chinese kelly, an important factor in this relationship. even in this present military prices that india, as based with the russians, have been a social help for india, especially in helping get to fortify it offenses. so that really underscores the importance of russia for india. i don't think you can afford to see that relationship degrade in any manner, but i rosa lee, the pakistani fragment this iran gum was in moscow at the time that vladimir putin was gayly planning, sending the troops into ukraine. brazil has not been that supportive of nato

countries in washington bricks. never been stronger than that now, given that brazil, india and india's perceived enemy nuclear armed fellow enemy of august then seems to they all seem to be against the nato. and the u. s. line is in the unique position of having to nuclear armed adversaries, china and pakistan that actually close alliance. so and say strategic triangle in which india swimming against china and pakistan. and given that stark reality. and given the fact that breaks increasingly has come under the chinese shadow in there has to be very cautious in relying on bricks as a institution,

the bricks has gradually, but bricks is certainly not a credible alternative to either international institutions. but here it's very much invested in brakes. i could be wrong to exaggerate the importance of bricks. the fact is that a country like india, given this security predicament, has to deal with the realities that it faces. what, what is, what do you expect? the u. s. in nato to do to india because of its lack of support, arguably for the civilians dying in the streets of ukraine. well, an american president spoken, even though word on the chinese potter ration against india, has any best and head of government support or india in the current military crisis

that in that conference, usually chinese aggression answer is no. so why should be out on a limb supporting the western stance against russia? if you don't have a dog in the fight against nothing, from taking a position that could undermine its relationship with moscow. in the same time, india has done not seem to undercut. it's important relationship, but with washington, and they are people in the state department of set on set off the record to the media and the understand india is lemme and the data my. so why abstain from the lot in the security council? i don't, i don't see how the us auditor went to to prevention india just because in the apps the, in, from, from

a lot in the un security council for his brother lading. i'll stop you there more from the national security specialist and emeritus professor of strategic strategies as new daily's set of policy research after this break long when alex should say wrong. why don't just don't yes to see out the thing because the after kid and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot baby orders given it by human beings, except where such order is a conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful

about personal intelligence at that point, obviously is too great trust rather than fear a job with artificial intelligence. we'll summoning the demon obama protective own existence with welcome back. i'm still here with professor brown with laney international security specialist and americans professor of strategic studies and new daily center for policy research. so india attacks shine or over perceived you in violations un resolution violations. but refuses to attack russia after the secretary general of the united nations said it violated international law. well,

in, yeah, never attacked china over while any, any un resolutions. it has criticized china for violating bilateral agreements, binding bilateral agreements. because then you violate violated wiley, bilateral agreement to you while international law, because bilateral agreements are barden parcel of international law. yeah. not even un resolutions. and yet with russia, you won't vote with international law or against moscow. well, if you look at the history of this century, you know, they have been so many multiple foreign military and nations of sovereign states in this century alone. the year, 2000 and began with the us invasion of afghanistan then followed an invasion which was monday by a un resolution. while the un has become increased marginalized and un

stamp of approval on anything means human kind of a pro can come even ran it. country flow to international law, for example, the us invasion of iraq and occupational the country using the protects that there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq had the human stamp of approval. that didn't make a legitimate international law s b, c, a is powerful against the policy and policy a case, the powerful that's the harsh reality might makes right, is still very much intact and it was century example. today,

the western block talks about upholding the rules based order what, what the order is back. the fact is that those look at in order others make the routes for the world. have been a trade in iving energy revenues being served is certainly not uploading enrolled space well, one can mention syria canister on iraq, livia and so on. but then what the view of prime minister moody is 2 wrongs make a right therefore don't vote with the u. s. at the security council. as i mentioned, it never, never fits and adjustment on any countries aggression a case in the country. it has never condemned any military and nation

sorry and condemns package. it condensed by august on the use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy against india, against guy miss. because india, victim of that kind of use of terrorism. but certainly, india has demonstrated a moral judgment on the military actions of any bar that's never been part of indian diplomacy. do you think the united states for saw what was going on as it pulled out of afghanistan after its longest war in his defeat in afghanistan? that that's why it was boring weapons into ukraine. ahead of what putin says was a provoke provocation. and what nato in the u. n says, was his illegal invasion garner tons, defeat in humiliation. united states was a watershed moment. emmett,

curly but by on the defensive. and he tried to die with attention. he made some important strategic miscalculations just the way who had made some sort of different calculations. first. which calculation on the part of biting was that he could use the sanctions to deter russia from in reading ukraine? the problem is that the us true will use of sanctions as a blanket instrument of sanctions by repeatedly slapping sanctions on russia, where the boss, 8 years or so. so the object of preventing russia from a meeting ukraine fail miserably. and this calculation was not to take hooton's threat, often an invasion serious me by giving him the security

shortest and they demanded security concerns that the us and they don't want to turn ukraine into a, a front line launch pad against russia by, by deploying offensive weapons on new created inside. well, for was 3 months or so, put a truck to, to guarantee it is wanting to make an ard repeatedly. and there was also a bottomless competition on the, on, on the part of putting in international relations. you can buy mounting a critical liquid credit achieve an objective without the need to actually execute the threat. where you put a long term military against ukraine will compel the us to abandon its policy of native creek to russian borders. he woke up the world,

the dangers of nato expansion. commentators, even in the us, began asking whether expanding to russia borders and thereby prompting russia to re militarize was an american interest. in fact, as you know, the military build up on nuclear waters kept us on the ropes with by them wanting for diesel in the nation was coming is sort of sustaining that threat. putting decided to execute that even though controlling the outcome of the warm one second launch is literally impossible. so i think he could have achieved more, a sustaining. that's right. this is sort of actually launching the nation. obviously, moscow appears to relieve the their course of actions of the right ones and risking all is, is the way forward in the united states thinks that the united states thinks that

there must be, even if it, perhaps risks nuclear war. the ability for ukraine to join nato. that's what the european union also firmly believes. so, i mean, the, the point here is the rights of ukraine to be able to join nato at all costs. few believe you in nato believe that ukraine should be admitted to me. it's too intimately wide and highly corrupt this functional state in the eyes of many in nato. and there was with chance of, of ukraine and what being admitted to needle is enough. it should of a 3 g rushes, security concerns. and the tim and thus concerns could have been addressed to a what the war after all, russia is not america has a lane. lowell challenger,

the main lower challenger, is china, which is seeking to supplant the us as the global hedging wrong. as anxious as the u. s. has already said, sorry to interrupt their, but obviously the largest are 850000 soldiers in the russian army. but european union nations, good in germany, i sending in masses of weapons now into ukraine. do you think they think in washington and nato headquarters in brussels at b, a u parliament in brussels, in strasburg, that ukraine can beat the red army as they pour in these weapons? if not, why would they pour in the weapons? the strategy is very clear now that they persuade not only containment to point all case russia, they also crank to enter their kindness on to point all against russia. just the way they in sneered russian inventing posters and the congress done in

a ministry quagmire. in the 1980s, by launching their biggest covert operation in history. now, in addition to the high sanctions that boast on russia, they are looked in, it's least seeking to and, and trap. russia is similar electric like my in ukraine, by pouring huge with the sources by arming the resistance, the insurgency, they want to bleed russia. that's the strategy, or whether they succeeded not returning the strategy when it in fact, biden has asked congress for an additional $6400000000.00 per wide arms and other military. it korean forces,

whether they are on posters, the resistance forces in seconds. that's us driving the amount of money that buying is willing to oriented no grave. those are certainly the figures being thrown around the l in the capitol hill when it comes to the budget then so apart from all these countries in the global south using turning away from the dollar to get round the sanctions and so on. why do you think politicians in the russian duma wanted the boot in to support the recognition of don yet skin to hands and pushed boot in whoever's he wanted it as well to act in this way. if you believe it, sir, you appear to believe it's a catastrophic geopolitical mistake, let alone it's legality. under international law. well,

recognizing the 2 recovery of republics could have been seen as bato mounting, credible threat that could have posed the un and nato who conceived what russia was asking back to actually launch an invasion. was something completely different that tragic and what i'll moment or 2 they could get worse without cautioning prudence on both sides. but why with such a mistake? is this a low cost strategy? well, it's not very clear for us what the military object, those are put in our, in relation to ukraine, what he is seeking to achieve. because as you can see from the line to my tags, the only 3 lines of attack that russia has mounted in ukraine,

it's not taking jewel opted by the entire country. what are the military objectives of polluted? is something difficult to guess? he's certainly a not t do an x, the whole of ukraine. lisa dumps of a military operation so far. but my biggest concern is this. as a history of this is the only last rates. foreign military innovations have east of life sovereign states. and as there are syria con damage, such innovations have triggered an ending wireless and legit and russia invasion in the us plan to arm and ukraine's to believe russia threatened to turn your credit into assyria or libya. this will have major implications both for russian security as well as well,

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