visits was, was the elegance of a little bird with incredible muscles he head. and when he wasn't jumping, he was not touching that earth magically was staying there. people would see him without patching girth back. and when she was that he had the elegance of those incredible, a wide animals that no human has that he had. and also the magic and the magic air of for his personality, his period, his soul, his heart and his incredible power. because he was a very, at tremendous strong character, strong character with himself because he all their past, his humanities posse, his humanity is human. but maybe this, you have a past every limit and only way america lafleur of really, really incredible and didn't amusement energy. you can succeed to that normal people never, they can arrive to that to result. he was of a passing,

any possibility that he, himself, he had. and he was so severe with his sam with himself that really this is the reason that he was alternately if and this is or is, is the reason for with special persons in special are these are they are out because they other pass the human limits. it is a moment of magical 2nd that you have that cosmic energy that lifts you up in the now. well, when we were talking earlier, you mentioned how beautiful russia is. how eclectic it is. it has its different cultures and it brings it altogether. or can you tell me a little bit about your memories of russia then? and how is it contrasted with your idea of russia? now? i will tell you something, to be honest and sincere. i am always very spontaneous and very since yet. i cannot have a good opinion for the for because i have never been in russia

before. huh. i knew about russia. i knew of russia. i knew everything. of course, i'll turn everything in this, but i knew everything because of maria, because he was always from morning that he was getting love with the ty that he would have the bottom of the tag with the leaves that he would see. he was very superstitious of he would see how they were posed to see what it would be. he was just plain like a, like a child with incredible enthusiasm that only children they do have. but i must say something then before i can not say. but what i have discovered in this trip in ashby could have only been once to see. of course, i did meet that, but only 2 days it is not enough. i saw it on my badge and that said, but now that i could have because of the opportunity to of this festival of murray,

if they have invited me and with great pleasure in spite the difficult to send in spite of fur of that is all that i'm the only one who came here, nobody there to travel income, but i don't feel fear i am a little with. i'm a little me told so extra to raise them not so much studies in. so what i have seen here, and i discovered here it was really the best, the nice, this constant surprise at that ever had in all the countries in my life. you know, i have been lucky since of my birth. i had always the really the cream of the best . and i was also doing my best efforts to below the best that i could from myself as nori of as all artists are doing really the realities. but i must say that are in every country. when i go to the museum to the, to the governor's places, and of course i have the best treatment on or love everything that for

a few days. and for that, and the sash for the opening, after certain interviews, or with a name, old newspapers and everything. but even russia from the moment that they put my feet here until the last moment that they wouldn't go to day. and i feel sorry, that would really go because i love the russia and what i have discovered here in the country i have been cover. it would not only with honor with love, with ceilings, with enthusiasm of people. and i discovered that really the values that always have been the key, stronger and powerful. think for all humanity, that kind of values here. they're still alive, unfortunately, and very sorry to say that in europe they are not so naturally of course they are

always alive. may a minority of people may not may the majority here i saw the majority of people, the top, the middle, the simple, every where i had the same reaction of love of enthusiasm. and, and this is something that i never, never had 24 hours a day. i mean, now in every part of it has been in the beginning from moscow, going to for the governor. they are the 1st lady there in all the people who are incredible, incredible, beautiful area and thank you you the for larry and also so difficult. i discovered that you have more than 100 ethnic different ethnic populations and the same article. how you can have that kind of incredible result to me in peace, in love, all of them. one thing that i've noticed in my time here in russia is that there's the stereotype of the russian facade of being cold and blocking everybody up with

the truth is, from my experience, russians have the biggest heart and the most welcoming ideas. one thing i want to ask about you because we are in the time of difficulty here in russia. and of course we have to address that are not in russia all over the world is changing, sounding must change for the best. i agree. so as an italian, was it difficult for you to get here? you mentioned that you're the only one who came. i mean there are flight restrictions. i was it is on the vehicle because they have done an incredible thing . it seems that everybody has to be against russia and that they don't understand. i'm not political out this. i love everything. so i don't want to be misunderstood . i am talking from my point of view being greek and absolutely having faith in my absolutely old and past generations. and i cannot forget socrates, i cannot forget, there is the,

there's the dad did in the justices. i don't forget that he thought that was the, the, i don't forget the results of our philosophers to alexander the great, more recently. and i cannot forget of that. and i s greek, i go and search myself the result of the, of the reason of sampling that they see exterior, really, everybody seems to be against the you are by facing china. india said in our pantries. and i really don't understand that kind of for a firm of strange, strange this season, unique in the, in the human existence in this earth. and according to that, the values should not change. but they don't, they don't change the values that they change the people that they are able to do sound think or not to those sound. think to m. doors something good

for the values or is keeping respect for them or to make people be mislead, did, and done to respect the values. this is very, very bad. very said. we must forget as orthodox because it is glass head to forget every body. so i can forgive my country and italy that they are the most responsible because they gave culture and art and, and every progress in humanity without getting one penny for over 4 writes of author. this is very important to say they gave every single is not payment because those values are priceless and money are all only a way to me to make beautiful things and to give a fresh air of immortality, to the result with money, money are important. don't misunderstand me,

but to not to do but a straw fixings to do beautiful things like the aristocrat they did in the pastor centuries. we have so many things to absolutely enjoy a philanthropic things that they did and we have buildings or have hospitals. we have a cathedrals, we have a civil places, we have art works that those out is the class, their head, those are the stick. those are artist, sir, that there were at that period, and they were close to them to make them feel better, to be better, to me market debate themselves and the children on their cell. so money we're using for immortality also. now money are using only only for bad the result and that i don't agree and being an artist, i'm above everything. i think that everybody at this point there to arrive,

but i have to sadness to a lawyer. take gorski to avoid, don't stay ascii, but this is a wrong can think of a general situation in the whole word. but this is not the immortal. sink of the spirit of humans, because obvious above and will remain above and even the period of hitler. you did not a prohibited beethoven. jose, how does that mean? and the fact that i am here with you today? i am brick and i adore my grease. i adore, and i love my retail good day for my breeze, and 8, bring honor to my grief and to my family because of my family did a lot for maurice. and i am very happy to have discovered here that the values that, that of, for them got them all over the world here to respect them, new respect, family, religion. and i mean a promises and humanity and will give love. and you give love

and respect art and culture. so i think that these are the best moment to begin to have hope all over. and i wish really myself that could be a place that they think that i am able to just that i am able because a body than i have it in greece in the supply these islands in care. i want to be there as center at the heart of the whole world to bring people together with the love culture and out. i want to peek into your brain just a little bit as an artist, as a beautiful mind. um, unfortunately, all good things come to end. you're going to have to leave russia. what are you going to be or takeaways to tell your friends back home, culturally, politically? what are you going to tell people about russia and your experience here as well? had to tell you something, they can also tell it here, or that always has been respected. the value, priceless value of art and culture. humanity has brought it the best to prove. it

wasn't a difficult period of russia on the 60s that it's not having like now eliza president, you have in all the situation. it was med, absolutely indifferent. and at that period, russia had proved with italy together that absolutely values are above everything political situation at any kind of situation. and in italy and russia had any change or for this that they were going to italy and italians here with ballad, with theater, with personality when it was incredible. and i have, i have taken all those documents, i had them with me on the telephone. unfortunately, i'm not so would enough to show you, but you know, it's the story and so on the 6 is it wasn't that the, my article done to prove it that the symbol of everything today, you prove the same thing on another way,

but exactly the same thing and i must say that art absolutely is not possible to be involved with other things has nothing to do with it. you cannot say to fish to go and walk with for her. and pat say if you cannot a to humans to go in fly nori african fly because he is also royal eagle. who is your imagination? you can fly because the imagination gives you the possibility to dream, to dream, to think, and after, to do the effort to build something to day. another horrible thing. it is the absence of absolutely instruments to make, to make improvement of the imagination, they prohibited books. in the school, it is the worst thing that they could do to begin with. so young generations, they don't read, they have not knowledge of reading. and so what they need with this,

they absolutely cut off any possibility of working with your brain with it, with the brand. they don't work, they take food ready, and they don't go deeply. they don't search. they don't want to discover. and the worst of all, they cannot dream. and if you don't dream you can accomplish to nothing would have meaning the caverns nay. without that what he believed of our mind, so have to bring met dreaming at schools with books. and thanks to you that you maintain the values. and also many people i must say, i cannot con, been on europe, and not really on the word of what you have elite of me, but it always, they think not. they think, let me, they feel like they should feel the humans. and i hope that this is the beginning of their hope for the future. ah

ah ah, please. it seems. and we've already touched on this a little bit that there is some sort of, russo phobia developing in the european union in europe. you mentioned how that is disheartening for you. what no, no another as of the hourly in europe in europe, it was, it was past his message. i think it did, they did not the european mind that they can do is something that wrong. if they really do a deep analysis, it is not possible. they did nothing as analysis, nothing as research. they took results without seeing why. what were the reasons that they brought to that the result? because this is natural, what can be done to counter this growing trend to kind of isolate russia and keep

it separate from everybody else. i must say that myself, i am repeating your, i'm not political, i'm not economical. i'm not an am not a person involved in other interests except art and creation. and these, he said to her, as i'm not so much human, i'm a little with accepted as jim. but they must say that my feeling is that there are i don't know, i'm not so, so mean that it's something that would involve indian that really, that is it's asian. i don't think that there is a war. this is a protection because the history, what they have been informed and known mathematically, i mean the cry now was russia. hey, you had the russian population there, that it's millions and millions of persons. of course, today,

the word was divided into forces. americans and russia. but the forces and the agreements were taken. diamond go and do you have to go to read and to find out what they were, how they were maintained, how they were full feel upset, and what was done? not so perfectly correct? objectively talking was so in that case, you will see that the really you cannot avoid from one country and not to have its proper language. i can say that as greek and degree, they should know mehta then anybody else who had 450 years, the mean nation of ottomans, there had prohibited church prohibited the values. but he did scores that we could maintain all our integrity of culture because of the power of the

incredible work of our church orthodox church is absolutely related with greek existence of freedom. you cannot separate to them because because of the church they were to with candles and lit light in the covens because a nose coach not like they want to do in a grammy. and now, because i have heard somebody that no one referred to europeans, because if the europeans, they would know that they would not think like they think now they don't know that really was prohibited degree exam with the, the russian language. and they did not know that there were a kid persons because they weren't doing that crime to talk with their own proper landed. this is craziness, nobody knows it. in europe, nobody referred to one time. i never saw something like that. i heard then i saw the document here really. so i must say that in these gays,

and i hope that the tools will begin to come out from the small elite of people. they begin to realize what did these the reality behind that. so they had to give, read them to the rational there. there is no way i want to ask about this surprised me that back in the day you had never actually come to russia and so you weren't able to compare and contrast. but there is an established narrative about what russia is in the west, in western media, because they don't know because they don't know, but also my, i did not know it. i thought in the beginning of the america was heaven really that it was my own personal opinion because of course i went there so young 1st moment was famous, alexander, your list with this guy that all the media artist of the last century. i was the youngest one 1st day of my arrival in america and he's got it. it was doing, did you say became known on coast to coast?

i had there's cluzee with pierre. of course, a younger this. i thought it was heaven and it was heaven. but really after work, i don't know is they changed also there because through the decades people are changing and it and nothing is stable. everything is moving as the plan that a they say or to in greek. but i must say that really now i discovered another aspect of america and it not of americans. it's diff, rent. oh, but the aspects of difference. also with ration rations. i discovered it here. the americans are nice people. a single me. if you, they see that some of these talent, and they are very happy to talk to by him if they can, and they can or to, to feel happy because of his talent and his success in europe. it is not

so i must say that them european i know also like that is but ethan, somebody salad that they tried to absolute in his head. so is different. the possibility, the, the move, the big territory that they have is full of incredible sources. of course, europe is smaller and everything but europeans invested there had the peers there mind is there potentially the and the incredible power of man of man of mind and then to use it not to use read the informations that they dont lag the ready made information because i make my own decisions after i see the facts and i never have enough if they will tell me these or that no matter which, but i don't belong in one, but they belong to myself and i am the heart of act. so i'm above all those little human things. it always exist that they go to the med as the beautiful and the

abilene, they all toys east, but myself, i use only the positive energy to chose the matter, not to the less good. why do i have the same energy i would spend exactly if they haven't even more on the, the lesser. yeah, absolutely. so they don't know russia if they would have the possibility to come and mit rationed. they would change. like i need here. i change mind. i heard no vanda from no one because a traveller all that, and i have been well with every body. and i am lucky because inevitably they treat me like a queen. art has that right already always. so if they come here and they see all your people, because he had a meat that they thought the me, the simple, they had the same. and suzy, as me, say, love to leave the same love for the same humanity. so they must come and see you, and i believe that all those estates are that they have that they must have an end

because myself, i'm also, i'm not put up because that little logical, the best market for all europe. and the whole lays, it was russia, the russians, they were adorned by on europe, beans, in tourism, in fashion, in every single cars. everywhere at all, the big factories had an incredible prosperity because of russia. now doing this. yes, they do little little problem to russia, but not real problem. you have probably will have them with the factories that after a year or 2 there have to close them because they don't have to bring from either the moon. people to replace that kind of incredible potential market their head with irrational money. you mentioned something earlier, and you're an artist, and this is clearly evident. and it's

a beautiful thing to see. but london's royal opera house is cancelled. performance is by russia's prestige. they fail to cry for that. what, what do you think about the sanctions and the council culture, if you will, of all things russia? not a lot of those. are your ski until straight, i will tell you that will turn to kill them. you can, can never killed art and act is because after not do, they can die for the values. the other people never paper. they do that grooming manatee because this is a green alley theory. and i know my words, what they mean. i love greece. i love everybody, i love even every government in greece, even if i don't agree with them. i love them because greece and greeks are to me my heart, but i don't agree absolutely is a patch. art. art is about boundary above pers, amounts about a month. they don't have the right to do that. and they did sunday,

they never should have the right to do it. and i will not have enough force to say it, because i hope that they will listen to me. also, the category of people that they have always been able to make improvement and, and the progress. the progress has always been by a small minority of people, not by the biggest, the biggest. they have the right to leave well, to, to be respected. the give them the possibilities, but the top, the cream of the wanted that really like soccer. this said the most important because they had medicating their bread is sold, their hearts and their capacities to do some good will be use will also for the rest of those one. do they exist in europe and i am sure that they've seen greg me . so i hope this is a beginning because when to attach the real bottom in touch,

it is said horrible way as they did to patch to patch out to prohibit, i mean, those 2 magical artist it's, it's not possible that really i forgive them of point of view christianity, but i don't forgive them to do that seem to are because they will not succeed to have nothing except to do to ruin themselves. and you see those are a little part, but the biggest you will see in the, in the, in worse and, but this chris at particular history because this is the only left from rudy's hand, because his collection i told you before, unfortunately, does not exist, exist i mean in the whole world, the last because we have to concentrate things to remain, otherwise they are lost. and this is the reason they gave also an orthodox gape in means in the museum,

because they have beautiful icons there. and i thought that it would, we lost also in the family and they did really an incredible presentation in means that they gave me also water. they're very, very nice. i did a very me the division in, in the national museum. and now all of these collection of my creativity, and also part of nikita course are there in means. and they are ready on our nadine customs because it was faster the moment of temporary permission to the museum. so in means can the model of and everything. and so they are ready there to go back to europe, but they stop to them because they are there. they are 2 steps to come here. so you will have the possibility to see me and i will have the pleasure to see russia again very quickly. and these one rooney was wearing that the home because after

see that he was relaxing with his own off his shoes and everything with that with an afghani a robe that he has. and i have also a couple of robes about gunston that through the was wearing. and i can give you one perfect for your museum in math, but i have to talk, i had to think about it. if it's something that comes to me now in my mind, because i've seen the collection that you have in your museums it's, it's absolutely amazing. i'm sure it would be amazing that they would be that they would welcome ideas and then i, this thing that represents the song and also the good i against the evil i that this is the addictions don't 2500 b c. i bought it from se, and rudy loved it because he was with dishes and it is the good i and he was playing cell math,

putting good the 2 vans in his head that i had also from of guns have trouble clara from glad i'm glad i see russia? yeah, yeah, definitely. and i had to think about it, they can do something out. and this is what they have to show to you with my love to all russia. everybody because really you are a wonderful country, but with wonderful people, the only see it is a little bit difficult for me that them san you on the sand that even in winter will have sometimes 20 to 23 degrees. i was seeming all winter all winter time. here i see ice and white with the white. this beautiful. i have to hold somebody because i'm afraid to say that it isn't beautiful. russia really is incredible for the humanity and for the values that you keep so much a life family lead just and but really lisa, so tell us,

beautiful mind, wonderful conversation. greek and italian artist factored in with a c, a r t international position. and i thank you really for all the want that you are absolutely given to me and you hold me so that ah.