[000:00:00;00] ah, [000:00:00;00] ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered, i'm peter level. it will be long debated whether the warren ukraine could have been avoided. what is not really open the debate is how centers of power have been shifting to the east. the rise of asia as it were, the war in ukraine. his only accelerated that trend ah, discussed these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan,

samuel in budapest. he's a pod, castor at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have to meet re bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor. it was me internet media project for a gentleman. crosstalk rules and the fact that means you can jump in in time you want and i would appreciate it. ok, let's go to budapest 1st. in, as i said in my introduction, georgia, it will be origins of the conflict in ukraine. the current one will be debated for a long time. but there's one thing that seems quite obvious to me that people don't really want to talk about, is that it's not a catalyst for a major shift paradigm shift in the world. but it's accelerating it. and this is something that we've seen before. and because we have diem a, bob, it's on the program. i'd like to talk about the limits of neo liberal ideology because i think this is one of the things is conflict tells us so much about. go ahead, george. yeah, no, you're absolutely right. and the thing of it is that the historians would indeed

debate whether a war could have been avoided. there were many signals starting from the fall of 2021, that a serious crisis was intending the tone of the kremlin had changed substantially. there was a real concerns about nato policy, especially especially us policy in the ukraine. and despite all the warnings that were coming from moscow, the united states made their just chose to ignore them and tried to fall russia off with a lot of going to be meaningless promises flooding that's, that's entirely true. and then do the shock of the western leaders and the, the thing with the leaders was saying, oh russia has russia has failed in your brains. the shock of these leaders, the what they were planning on, which was the sanctions regime, the mother of all sanctions that were going to bring the russia to it's needed. so

we're going to bring the cochin regime out of power that, that has failed. they've failed to get the rest of the world on board with their sanctions regime, with their condemnations of russia and all that. and suddenly showing us is that the western countries isolated most of the rest of the world simply doesn't take the ukraine crisis. the way the western powers, and that i don't think it's also russia spoke and above all, they don't think that it's in their interest to sabotage the russian economy, but sabotaged the world economy. so suddenly that, you know, the nato power bus, you know, north america and japan and australia, they are the ones that are isolated and russia is in the international mainstream. d, my, the thing is that's very interesting when all this is read because of this idea, logical disposition the web has,

they are blinded where they can't see reality in front of their face because what informs them is their ideology is yorba saying, you know, of course the world is going to condemn russia because we condemned them. that's. that's a false logic. go ahead demon. well, i mean, the way we're just, you know, we said that just the broader local in the future. and that will tell you why. because you knew that you knew that but you show me that

so you know, when we are 2 stages you know what you want something we should do. you know, your point, you never know very bad or, you know, the last game these communicate, you know, and the goal was that all communication. right? yeah, it's also hubris. okay. i mean, you brought up sergeant schultz, the chancellor of germany. let me go to george, right. now, isn't it with the situation, the demon, bring him in reverse. i mean, couldn't have nato member saying, no, you will never be in nato. this is a close topic. we are an important country in nature. it's done,

it's over. let's move on. but sergeant schultz didn't have the grab a task to do that, george? no, that's absolutely right. because if we're remember the name, so article 10 that nato loves to invoke about other countries joining nato. it's only on the condition that nato is so invites in other countries to join an invites on the basis of unanimity and all the member states of major will have to agree to invite ukraine to join us with your grain has been wrong by watching them since at least 2014. it would have been the easiest thing in the world. go zelinski . no, it's not going to happen. you know, let's go on the back burner for at least 25 years. i'm a moratorium for 25 years. so then you would have gone along with, i mean, you wouldn't have any choice but not to put that pressure on the fact that the

response of the western powers was when russia submitted those ultimatums in december 17, hey, we're just rejecting it, you know, who is russian to tell us what to do, you know, we decide security follows it. it was the western powers that treated these demands with arrogance, and refused even to understand how serious the russians are taking it over and over again is that we want legal guarantees. we don't want empty promises, legal guarantees. so it's not on the immediate agenda and they go should just an extent not on the media agenda. so, you know, it was getting, it was a major power brokers crisis about the over the last couple of days from the kremlin spokesperson to meet with his car. he said that europe needs to sober up from the american bourbon. ok. which i think i've never heard of put it that way, but i kind of like it. and again, talking about isolation,

the way we that the top of the program here is that when you, europe, it wants russian to shaken its boots. but in fact, in fact, europe is found itself with its pants down because the, the, the sanctions regime that was supposed to cripple and overthrow the, the current political arrangement in russia has utterly failed. i would say just reversed, strengthened it. and, and right in the children, russia has friends around the world because you know why? because they have geopolitical interest and they're not blinded by ideology. go ahead. yeah, you need to be made that the mom is the one doing they don't want to go you know,

we are the war way. don't see people were killed the minor more all the way. so please mom or even so on the side control or the you know, we know not. ready here at the work, whether the beach or they call the really is probably i mean don't you remember why there were,

why was it all the way older, more home is she will you need to be game you know what will happen and you are absolutely right and then will be cheap for models for these people. and when they tried to be receiving the right, i mean, they said we made a mistake. what we need to do, you really do a walk around, you know who you are. you also said, co deal to all of the you know,

they're mature just that tell us of so much, you know, they were surprised you're, oh, how could this happen? you know, i mean, that means that they're, they're talking to themselves, they're in their own group thing. you know, they find the, the terms and conditions of what can happen and not have, they truly believe that they're mand rims of the universe. and now they're beginning to realize, oh, where energy dependent on russia, what are we going to do? i mean, but they're, they get so ahead of their speed. they don't think about the implications of their own actions. george. yeah, that's right. that's right. but of course, was that cheap, but a definite pattern in all of western foreign policy is that off the everything goes out. it's like, well, we didn't really expect that to happen. then maybe it was a mistake to press for a major membership where you brain, maybe it was a mistake to dismiss rushes concerns in such

a peremptory badger. at the same thing of the vietnam, we have the same things off the iraq, same things of the you're not having, maybe we shouldn't have issue that we made them to the stubs. so yeah, it was happens. but the extraordinary thing is that economics and finance is something that you would expect. western leaders on the back of the list. this is the capital one thing they know it's, you know, or we can all makes. and yet give a low. we didn't realize that russia is a lot less dependent on international trade than we. and so therefore, when we impose sanctions, we are going to be hurt more than russia as we do to study history in just a almost entirely more khaki and on the sanctions or throughout its existence. if you start racing and, and stealing assets. well, maybe they'll do it to us. oh my goodness, that's not big. wow. they're going to do to us what we do to them. it's

extraordinary there, but they're narrow mindedness of all. it's 10 seconds and finish up what's? that's right. and even now they have the know to say that, well, you keep sending us the oil on the gas and don't you dare expect any payment from it doesn't give it to us immediately, but i'm going, i'm going to pay you anything i'd hold out, but we're going to get gentlemen, we're going to go to what you're breaking up about your break. we'll continue our discussion on some real mistake. oh ah. ah, a no show at them. we live in ministry restock and just look up from when i'm not only a muscle around noon,

she kitty doesn't being in the green shield or a nurse to me as possible. mama cook gosh, sit to somebody, tamika. but i to his ashley of this. it wanted to work with $1.00 to $3.00, if it's cool position with you, but now it's not looking for the chain of times to not work for phones that arrive something like that. and then we got it. that was it. that might be worth it. i have for a little brain lisa. oh, is your media a reflection of reality? in the world transformed? what will make you feel safe?

isolation for community. are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere? direct. what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. a welcome back to crowds not. we're all things considered. i'm peter. well this is a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real issues. the, the

let's go back to d, m a, here in moscow. i think one of the most interesting things with this war of sanctions against russia. and this is a war, okay. i think people have to understand that all means except for direct military confrontation, which is always in the cards when we have this kind of scrub accomplish is the dollar and it's, it's really quite amazing. it's kind of like a self goal of the uses and abuses of the dollar, because the petro dollar is very much in question. we have more and more countries that are getting out of the dollar because, well, they've been treasury department can praise our assets. ok. and in, in the u. k, it's, you know, all the garage sheet, you know, when you get this, all gar can take this yard and without any due process whatsoever. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. there's been, there's a very large literature about, you know, the fate of the dollar and how it will one day, like every other currency be replaced. but this is accelerated. i mean by this very

cavalier attitude about how you can use a financial system to your political gain when it's supposed to be used as a, a, a process to which everyone has competence in the currency. they're taking that competence away from the currency as we speak. go ahead. well, i think this is all very and i know a lot but also to have all rational needs to be probably all you made the change around the same same

german mosque just wanted to see with the finances. are you able to do your own from or you know, people or people in the wall. but if you're working on your whether you agree, they also you get your, you the knowledge and and then i think the reason why russia actually the reason why is it will be will our community need your there are

rules. how does he get by, by sending for him to get you and then why? what we do is we work on that right now. we've got the rules. so that way you won't be able to charge one of the outcomes of this in you and i predicted it here on this program. and our podcast angle is that europe is actually does kneecamp itself. i mean, because if the russians want to deal with the europeans and just call washington or has, you know, through an intermediary go to washington, because there's, there's no interlocutor in europe left. none of these people are serious. they're

not certainly not decision makers and, and europe is, it's diminished itself completely. and whatever words comes because, you know, particularly at the end of last year, up into the military operation in ukraine. there was just gobbledygook. i mean, they didn't want, they would, they didn't say anything serious. they didn't act like serious characters. i would even say bad faith characters. and now this is little i'm and they have, i mean, even they have something interesting to say. i mean, why should you believe them now go ahead. george. know exactly what, what has happened is what always happens, which is the united states, instigates a crisis, but somebody else has to pick up the tab and somebody else is always a euro. so, you know, they, they applied all this pressure, big ligand's, germany, cup of cells, all russian energy. well, by liquefied natural gas from us is going to be much more expensive and you don't

really have the results as board, but invest in the resources to develop liquefied natural gas. very nice for the united states. while the united states, as meaningless as though we're cutting ourselves off from russian oil, which doesn't matter much of the americans. and then the same thing is happening with this refugee flow. you know, the, the refugees are boring out of your brain. well, we're going to pay for all this doesn't. we don't level all 56000000 people. and where are they heading to one germany? so john is going to have to accommodate them, provide them with work permit, with housing benefits, welfare benefits, and everything. on top of that, germany is also committed itself to increasing its military expenditure at the request of the united states. and where are they going to buy their weapons? george, we're going to buy them from the united states. so here, that's why the russian, so, you know,

obviously europe isn't able to look after its own interest. and why should we talk to the europeans, will go directly to the boss with the united states. and we've seen this time and again, just the united states instigators. and who picks up the deb? you know, it's a junior european partners, you know, deem it has been so much talk over the last few years about russia embrace of china or the russian chinese embrace. and people on the west of always been very concerned about a growing concerned about it. but they, they're the ones that have actually made it possible when you know, you know, 20 years ago, thinking of a to teacher relationship between russia and china was not you people said it. now it's a fact emma, well again, these 3 or 4

been told you know, i may be more, you know, they probably leave it in genocide . i know all these deals further and they they do not calm idea. you know, we should try to man the only

way they were and then maybe role only when he reached the age of numa dba if i could use majority in the us and instigates a crisis in ukraine to into port regime change in russia and then they go to the fact that you get the rest of the about a problem that we created. a new greg, i think the chinese think, you know, you people are lunatics. okay. and you know, you, you know, it may be maybe cops. right? you know, maybe stay off the bourbon. ok, because they look quite seriously outside, outside the west road. this looks like a form of lunacy here at georgia. i want to comment something on with you. you and i have talked about before media coverages of this, particularly in the us. haven't you noticed on box news prime time that

a week ago it was all ukraine. now it's references made because of energy prices and demand and, and what's going on with the dollar haven't, i guess, you know, they're really beginning to realize that the american public is not concerned about a problem that far away, particularly when they're so there was so much option if you prepay it. now that story is being whitewashed, it's very difficult. it's offered here, but the beginning to realize that this isn't a need to issue. it's not a citizen. me issue, george. it's a very, very interesting because the, initially, i think fox news wanted to play in the way that i've always laid the cold war. horrible. e will russia horrible evils? soviet union, breast yeah. of course of style in the freedom loving peoples of the world. and they realize that their audience, that would, is just simply wasn't buying it. i mean,

the birthplace americans have very serious economic problems of their own growing inflation out of the out of control, border crime and so on. but above all, i think there's a, there's a feeling among americans that this was a war instigated by the biking group. i mean that the, you know, there's some feeling that may not follow as closely as we do, but the feeling that that by the biden family, the obama, by ministration all of these characters, they have their hands up to their elbows in the ukraine, and they're forcing americans and the rest of the world to pay for their own hubris and their corruption, the corruption that a $100.00 in 2014. so you know, and i think that's the view of the audience. and that's why the, the, the initial fox response has been thrown down, is that so let's talk about energy independence. when we're going to be dependent

on russia. yeah. what you would do, but energy independence. it's a response to the core audience dim and we have about a minute left them a very, it's not very often that russians get to speak about what they think about their country and what's going on in ukraine. would you explain maybe to our audience, how people are in russia? are thinking about this conflict in ukraine? go ahead. you got about 45 seconds. go ahead. you don't get more because people are watching the war a year. the when, when and where it was these yeah, i mean if you've been watching this program, particularly since the last quarter of last year, which both of you are on very,

very often we talked about the inevitability of accomplish when the, the west was completely ignoring other people's interests only their own interest and they were ideological. and as all the time we have, i want to think, my guess in budapest and here in moscow when i think our be worth for watching us here are the see you next time remember? ah ah me the new school book or what are your thousands of people still live in small towns and villages that have become the new front line? they call this area the grey zone? ah, a really ali from the rock was pretty me what that was only about

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