reordering, if you like, the security architecture of the, the global security architecture away from a simple rules based order that is set by the united states in order to give these other states see to the board of life. to be able to have a discussion. there is really no communication before that there was a very good analogy made by someone that it was like a chessboard and united states that at one end of the chessboard. and someone said, well to, to play this game of chess. and it was present sky, back to percent. he said not to want. there's no other at this game. we just simply turn the ball grant and then we play from the other side. and that's been going on really the whole for a long time. and now russia and china want a seat at that chessboard. they don't accept any longer. the united states simply turns the chessboard through 180 degrees and starts playing from the other side as

well as their own. so they want a seat of the chessboard. that's what you greatness about. was her a provocation? yes. because people have been warning from o, long time. 2007. even the present head of the cia in washington. when he was ambassador. and moscow said, if you move nato into georgia and ukraine, the will be wall is inevitable. difficult, though, for china, the you, china virtual some a day to on, on the saturday. i'm not sure whether you will be, again lecturing china or about human rights. but despite the reaffirmation of the alliance, more than the lines between beijing and moscow, of course, poland, ukraine, italy, where you are, they are belton road countries, ukraine. they're one of the investments in europe coming from china. how does china

navigate that? how is it allied to russia, even whilst these countries that are spearheading the conflict? certainly in information terms that are there on washington side. there is a very pros rapport between russia and china. and i think the decision, if you like to disassociate from europe and from the west, generally was probably taken even a year before the famous declaration that was made by both the chinese and the russian presidents in bay haynes, where they said they will no longer put up with, if you like, the american imposed global order that we are going to change that and go to compare the globe broader. and of course, that has caused

a great deal of anger and also anxiety in the west about this prospect. but i think it's very clear where it's going because they do coordinate very close and we've seen rushes, a response. rushes response is it has a list of friendly nations with whom it does business, transact diplomatically with them, and those that are not, and really excluded probably won't even be able to get pieces to travel. i think china will do it in its own time, but this is the model that we're going to see. and other was 2 spheres to separate fears. and remaining on the fence is going to be so uncomfortable and so painful that it will become impossible eventually. so people will have to choose which, which side they want to reside on. we saw a bit of that with the will, it was more complicated. not but moscow telling the you're again, you know,

you want you want gas. okay. paying one no more dollars. no more euros after you stole foreign reserve icons in the united states and in europe. yeah, some people actually commented that leaving $300000000000.00 in for an assets in, in dollars me will be in moscow trick. it seemed all too easy. so that immediately russia could retaliate by saying, it must be charging roubles when it comes to energy resources in europe. what do you think? say berlin, where, where energy resources are all important from russia. and we will, the lights go out, they are talking about the need perhaps for rationing. but then the g 7 says, absolutely north, you're, you're breaking a contract and you must judge if not in dollars than in euro's that i should just also say, we don't regulated by the british regulator anymore. but as you know,

nato allied countries all say, this is an provoked for moscow. well, 1st of all, i mean that you brave to an, a number of points in this, in this issue. but it was provoked essentially by the taking all, if you like instruments, death in 2 months from the coal foreign reserves and those dec instruments. i mean, if you write, when you simply see from o capital as united states and europe has done, i mean, that's a breach of contract to that is a care breach of contract to pay on those contracts like us, treasury's, or on currency if they are just if you like, an obligation to pay those who kind of so if you like, in a sense, russia can always paid for the measure. now, as to changing the contract, i heard a lot of that from european countries. no, well, you know,

we can't change the contract it's, i'm changeable. but you're a big proposed precisely that, to russia not so long ago because they said they didn't want any longer to have long term contracts with russia. they'd like to have sport price for that gas and we're moving in that direction and we'd like to go on to the spot market for the prices. so let's change our contract that way. so if it was all right for the you to propose that why if it not, all right, for russia to propose that they now pay and why it shouldn't be too difficult for them to pray in one. but we all know there's an underlying reason why they don't want that, because the fear that the financial system, which is already shifted, the global monetary system is already shifting away from fear money, which basically has no rail backing it to it at all. it's just a promise to pay nothing more and promise to pay by putting more money. but moving away from that to a commodities, an acid base currencies,

i currencies that are based on real things like either gas or oil weight. whatever the ram, ram, metals, oh, gold. and this is where we seem to be moving. i mean, it was 971 that mixed and did away with the gold would now quietly, without much attention in the press. russia has me establish a gold window for roubles, and that translates also into an equivalent price of roubles for the dollar of about $75.00. since they hid this, we've seen the rule shoot off in value against the dollar. and then they also said we'd like to have, you know, payment and roubles, which means that these foreign country companies in the european union are going to have to go buy goals. and that is going to push the rubel up further and make it

a much more very valuable currency as a trading instrument too. so, you know, paradoxically, you remember, it was only in the beginning of much the french finance was saying our aim is to collapse the russian economy and to collapse so to speak, the rubel as part of that. he said that at the beginning of much, and now one month later, we see in the financial press, many commentators talking about this is beginning of the end of the global monetary system. because of the crisis of confidence that ultimately, you know, it worked so long as the dollar was vaguely in line with commodities. with phillips, they made the mistake of thanksgiving. russia so heavily. russia is the key pin of

all commodities. food resources, oil, gas, precious metals, everything comes from russia if they don't have supply lines. so when they do that, they've made the mayhem in all of the commodity markets, and that's affecting the currency when it comes to the way the rest of the world sees this conflict. i'm not sure what you thought about the western rewards. major nation reports that saudi arabia, the you, a refuse biden's phone call. we know that suddenly a team was sent to venezuela, where one thing tank said, 40000 were killed by us sanctions against the madura government. there the world food program is warning about wheat prices in egypt because we, by just showing the and russia together have the kind of infrastructural clout, to be able to save the world from global famine. caused if you believe

moscow by nato expansion, eastwood. and if you believe nato caused by vladimir putin there, i, it is not so straightforward because we have a major problem with food rising, which is not just concerned with the war and ukraine. although ukraine and russia combined produce something like 35 percent of global week supplies. so yes, to that extent. but it is also something that is more than that because there are other factors involved in it festival. we have a drought and much of the middle east, which is affecting production food production across the middle east. so that's an important fact. but also because some of the sanctions on russia have affected important areas of

fertilizer. other things that are necessary in food production, certain gas is necessary also, and all of these are being blocked at the moment by sanctions. and so it's causing a huge problem, and in some cases, farmers in the west are not planting crops or planning to run crops because the price fertilizers has shot up the components to these either come from better, russo, they come from russia and they're just not available at the moment, so one part of it is sanctions. one part of it is the contract is taking probably from ukraine. another part of it is drug. and another part is the fact that in many parts of the world, the attempt to move towards a green world from the sort of, if you like, the us agenda has actually met the crop, the not being planted there. got several components to this problem. and certainly

we are going to feel the effects and prices, inflation. food is going to be very expensive. inflation and europe is soaring, as it is in the united states and many other places. this is becoming a major crisis. the sanctions, in many ways, europe has not sanctioned russia. it's sanctioning itself, you know, not being able to get things like fertilize this. not being able to get things that are necessary food, that there's necessary is, is sanctioning europeans going to make it much harder for people to survive on incomes because the price is going up so rapidly as golf. stop you there. more from the former advisors of europe, ian union tie, representative a common foreign and security policy after this break. the news

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a personal number. you have that with a you a welcome back. i'm still here with for the british diplomats and founder, conflicts for us to crook. do you think that the european union just doesn't understand? you were an advisor to the equivalent of the you foreign minister because at the same time as the rest of the world may be holds fast. lulu and both, maybe even ruler, that certainly bolton are in brazil in south africa. all these countries in the global south, defacto back russia, has seen by nato. meanwhile, in europe, the war by russia is paid for by european union money,

de facto $100000000000.00 fortune magazine said comes from the europe, ian union into russia to pay for gas oil. and coal, at the same time, as you just had their in effect, sanctioning themselves. and berlin is telling its citizens to and perhaps rash and gas and all over western europe, they're talking about well, some of them talking about mass fuel poverty. i think you raise a really important question because i don't see any sign that the europeans did any gave any thought to the strategic consequences of what they were doing. they were so caught up in the sort of sense of the struggle against russia or again, i put in the dictator or more of us and has become a sort of fervor in europe all everywhere. there are sort of blue and yellow symbols of ukraine. it's become such

a firm that i don't think they really thought, i mean europe cannot manage as it is. they cannot get gas from anywhere else that will substitute from russia. i guess that's just obvious. the americans have promised a small amount of new liquified gas. natural gas, but that will cover about 4 percent of the u needs. your required 40 percent. augusta is not going to be able to supply. it's not going to get supplied. so why did they go into these things without any thinking? and then suddenly they say, well, we're going to divest ourselves from reliance on russian or oil and gas within the yeah. how, i mean, how big are we plan for this is a serious how you doing. going to do that, you know, you conscious change the thing overnight. then surprised when rush this. okay, now prepaid roubles. did they not consider that possibility?

did they not think where it was going to take? has they not consider the impact on inflation and inflation is soaring in the europe, ian union at the moment while they still stay on a monitor. and they can all make policy, which is not. they're still doing quantitative easing, negative interest rates effectively and buying all the bonds, the certain countries produced to find from that that, i mean, how long can you go on and that sort of basis when inflation is you know, the impression figures highly manipulated. but we're talking about large figures, double digit pickup in europe and reality. even if they said a little less, people are going to feel a huge amount of pain. the costs of gas and electricity like in the u. k, are going to go up 50 percent. they've gone up 50 percent, they'll probably go up and up a 100 percent before the end of this year. how people going to survive with this?

have they not made any consideration? have they not thought it through? they've cut off all the links. they've created a sort of uncut against russia. they can't even talk to, to, to better to rush aut futon at the moment. they've so cut themselves off in their sort of enthusiasm and their excitement for protecting europe in values and to what they see as a sort of barbarian culture of russia. it's not that of course, but that's how they seem to see it. and so, you know, i, that's why i'm very pessimistic that they can come up with a rel solution. well, of course, joe biden assure his europe that the fact gas from the us will be on time and important common data and think tanks in nato countries. constantly talk about cutter saving the day if both both of those rubbish

actual contract to the americans that the european union produced doesn't have any commitment to that extra 50000000000 cubic meters of gas. it says america will do its best endeavors to meet it. best endeavors full of holes gotta said, formerly, i know german minister went, then came back and said that they will help us with gus. but actually doha, i said fully, we never made that commitment. we couldn't make the commitment. we don't have the capacity to make that commitment. i'm very sorry. if we cannot replace rush and gas so where, oh you, is it coming from? well, as you know, and as you alluded to, for instance, u. k prime minister bars johnson talking about it's the principle that math is, this is about the foundations of the european ideal philosophically,

even even the enlightenment being talked about. obviously, one feels it strangely when it comes to the banding of free expression and free media obviously or, or t comes to mind because he g, t, n and prestige. a media is banned. a dissenting media zelinski has, as has been the subject, ga, give a huge p or operation in western europe and they to aligned countries. what do you think he faces at home in ukraine, as per the far right elements in ukraine society and, and he's in effect putting needs to protect him as piece talks go forward. if a piece deal is, is to emerge. i mean, it's, it's a complicated picture, but we do know that lensky, of course, i mean, all of these zoom meetings with elements and hoping carefully choreographed and

someone has provided the videos and the, the means to do this. and that almost certainly is united states. and the question really comes down to the issue of is the united states ready? all, all of europe can face because some of them don't seem to be really ready to for a long war, or do they want to short for in the crane and a political settlement. and it's not clear that that deficient has been made. we see that i think you mentioned yourself at the start was you know, so far there was nothing and that would be another meeting made wrong. i don't think savanski is a free agent in this. he is very close. you know, even with his background, he is surrounded by members of the self and right fact groups and works

very closely with some of the leaders of those groups. and are they ready for a thief or any of the process? it's not clear that that is the case, but it's also not peer in russia has certain objectives for this a military operation. and it is still possible that if they feel they've achieved those objectives, they may feel that the best thing is just to go and leave and the dawn. yes. good. now, scott republics will be look after themselves and their own way once the russians have completed them and a trail ration the black sea coast will be similarly, probably an autonomous region may be west and ukraine will be taken by the pose, maybe parts of the other parts of ukraine will be taken by hunger. we don't know

quite certainly the polish prime minister has made it very care. they have territorial visions because most of that land on the west devolve and all of that were polish originally. and he said they have territorial needs requirements from, from u. k. and i think the loose a long conversation between the polish president and that has biden, when he was in was so when the polish president was getting very strong polish military should be able to go into the ukraine and take some of that plan that was written so, i mean, we may see something very different as the outcome if the comp negotiate diplomatic outcome. we may find is the sort of de facto bull. can i say that takes place in your crime? i'm not sure who that would suit if anyone, but i mean one can say that is not going to be an option. might be the only thing

that emerges photo via, for lack of anything better to arrive from the situation. presumably, china wouldn't appreciate that too much with its close trading days with kiev, but if billions of dollars worth of weapons continues to be poured into ukraine by nate to a line countries, notably the united states of many see see is prolonging the war. can we see an uptick in the violence? we've seen the pictures of so many refugees alone, dead bodies of civilians. and can we see an uptick in increased violence, or will nato, along with, with businesses and the, and the corporations of the planet eventually have to back down to save. well, to save the planet in effect, you know, the united states continues to put money in there, just not all money and other other trash and more weapons to go there. i'm not sure

that they can actually get those weapons into your grade because the russians have been very adept destroying weapons supplies and warrens dumps inside you create even close to the polish border. so it's not so clear that this is really possible, but nonetheless, can, can the war go on? i think there is a come within, let's call it a camp within washington that would like it to become a quiet like house guy. this done was to the says that union was he had to go when i was that. would they like to do the same from one camp? does that sludge be the state to pub position? i think another one, like pentagon is much less asked about that much less enthusiastic because it feels that this might lead to a bigger conflict with russia. cook. thank you. that's it for the show. if you're watching this on saturday,

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