ah mm ah russians, foreign minister dismisses the killings in the ukrainian city of boucher as a public patient and the railing most close pays, told with it for this outrage provocation, we tend to think that the reason lies in the desire to find an excuse to disrupt the ongoing negotiations with around 130000 civilians remain trapped from the city of mario poll. both russia and ukraine have opened humanitarian corridors to evacuate. local theme is on the ground. witnessing some families be read being reunited with

under the u. s. coal adjusted on a trial for alleged russian war crimes. we examine why the u. s. itself has historically not been subject to some international norms or human rights 40 ah one welcome. this is all the international with the latest headlines of the killings in the ukrainian city of butcher and international reaction as an attempt to derail moscow's peace talks with kenneth, as, according to russia's foreign minister. the disturbing footage of dead civilians lying in the city stream was released by ukraine over the weekend as well as circulating in the media. kit has blamed russia for the incident and allegation

mosca how strongly denied because we need new proper discrimination as up of the western and ukrainian propaganda has exclusively been inflating hysteria around the video, which as we understand, filmed by the ukrainian military in the city of boucher and the key of regional the frank orchestration, and to see to you in about a legend to war crimes from the russian military has been proven many times william, this beckons the question. will you and what is the reason for this outright provocation? we tend to think that the reason lies in the desire to find an excuse to disrupt the ongoing negotiations. but that's quite a lot to our correspondence in washington. rachel blevins now rachel, good to see. you. could you bring it up to speed with the latest case? yeah, the president in zillow, he made it very clear that he is not waiting for any kind of independent investigation during that speech that he gave in front of the un security council

earlier. and he even went as far as to say that he wants russia to be put on trial . now as is take a listen to the statement. when they belong latino leaving it, they killed whole families, adults and children on the choice burn that bought easy. how stupid of mediately bring them russian military, and those are gave them orders to justice for all crimes and ukraine. everyone who gave criminal odors and fulfilled them by killing people. what i said tribunal is similar to the nuremberg trials. none of the conference was correct. no one will. yes, no one will xscape justice including ukrainian civilians. if they are accused of cooperating with the russian military. that's according to zelinski is advisor who released this statement in which he said that the civilians near he ever we targeted. next. there were collaborators who gave away the location of our soldiers,

those scoundrels who leaked information about the heads of government bodies, volunteers, participants of the anti terrorist operation traders among local residents because of whom both civilians and members of the military died. to bring these persons to justice, please share their details. now. well, ukrainian government is pledging to target civilians moscow's ambassador to the un specifically noted how russia has tried to avoid civilian casualties. noting that they have been working to achieve this to achieve the same objectives that they have had since day one. and also noting that this is a vastly different approach than what we typically see from the u. s. and it's western allies. we please used to look at these 2 brokers done the middle east because we came to ukraine to bring the long awaited peace to the bleeding. dumbass, not a truce, but a real lasting peace. and for that is necessary to route out cruelty to cast out

the malignant, near nancy juma this consuming ukraine and would eventually begin to consume russia . and we will achieve this goal hopefully sooner rather than later. that can be no other way out if we do not have civilian objects in order to save as many civilian people as possible. yeah, that's why we're not moving as fast as many expected. we're not acting like america or is allies acted in iraq and syria, wiping out entire cities used. they didn't feel sorry for them, but we feel sorry for them because they are people close to us. so we go. now all of this kind of, as the united states, very openly proclaim that it is going to be moving forward with seeking to expel russia from the united nations human rights council altogether. and this is something that we haven't seen happen since they expelled libya back in 2011. take a listen to what was said earlier. the united states and coordination with ukraine and many other un member states will seek rushes, suspension from the you and human rights council. russia is using its membership on

the human rights council as a platform for propaganda to suggest russia has a legitimate concern for human rights. they do not belong on the human rights council. now it's also notable that the united states itself just return to the human rights council back in 2021 after they left it 3 years before. when the trump administration claim that they were leaving back in 2018, saying that the council was biased against israel. now we know that so far, the us has adopted to resolutions condemning russia related to the war and ukraine . however, in order for them to be expelled from the human rights council altogether, it would take at least a 2 thirds vote from the $193.00 members. agenda for the right to many things for that update that thought he's rachel blevins speaking to his live from

washington there while we can. oh, the across live to our guest, former us diplomats. a jim john truss. now to discuss this further. mr. josh, i thank you for joining us on the program. now. first of all, we had we heard so lensky accusing russia of crimes against civilians. at the same time, his official urging for so called civilian traces to be brought to justice in the key of region with footage of ukrainian soldiers, allegedly engaging in potentially illegal behavior. what are your thoughts? well look, we have seen a lot of things about how some of the crane forces, particularly some of the radical groups like as of italian, have treated civilian shooting at them. for example, when they're trying to leave cities like murray, you call it through humanitarian corridors, opened up the russians. clearly,

there are people on the credit side to don't care at all about civilian lives. we saw some of the bodies in butcher had white bands around their arms indicating that they were non combatants and, and presumably from some ukraine's point of view collaborators with the russians. so i think, you know, it's important for russia to deny that they had anything to do with this because i think that's patently obvious, but also to point the accusing finger at flu in ukraine who is the lunch kitchen ministration. who in the ukraine forces is behind the actual perpetration of these crimes? i say less than 5 minutes is a lot of commented on the situation in page is that it's really a fraud and it came to disrupt think ations between kevin moscow who would benefit from this? i think it's like for them to develop, to disrupt the, the, to go. she ations. frankly, i don't expect the negotiations to go much of anywhere. i think it's more important that it has several levels. river. some of it's been saying for some time,

some kind of false flag was inevitable whether it was chemical, biological, or in this case a stage massacre. and i think it has several purposes. wanted to even further alienate anybody left in europe. might still have an open mind toward russia. we see some countries now closing the rushing conflicts to turn rush into a complete fluoride state from their point of view. and also perhaps to drive away some of the countries that are in the rest of the world. not china, obviously we're probably india, but maybe some other countries that have been reluctant to sign on to the anti russia agenda. i think just demonizing, russia has become a end in itself or the western powers. what do you make of the a u. s. and ukraine calls to expel russian from the security council. and do you think that would, could really happen? well, certainly that they cannot do the security council that's, that's part of the, if you will, the constitution of the united nations from the, from the you and the human rights council. that's another story. as was mentioned

in the newspaper that would take a 2 thirds vote. perhaps they have the votes list. remember, there are a lot of tiny little states. they're essentially american financial satellites, and we'll both the way that they're told. so that i think is a very real danger. will it actually hurt russia? i don't think so. no more than really for the united states when united states pulled out of it for several years, as was mentioned. as like may, the lens k, i started b a u, and me thing is shocking, but i'm verified for stage of what he called crimes by russian trips. do you think the full and proper independent investigation is needed before play me so quickly assigned? it's hard to say something is needed when we know it's not going to happen. there's simply is no body anywhere that can be trusted by everybody to do a full and impartial objective investigation. sure, yes, of course. that's what should be done. unfortunately, that is exactly what will not be done and let's be honest about there are a lot of people on the western side in the media, in the governments, and certainly in the crate administration, you know,

very well happen in butcher very well, what the real violations or that are taking place in ukraine and either our students civically pointing the finger instead of the russians, or simply don't care what the truth is. they simply want to hurl them on and let it stick and let it go. or it may, it may go politically. thank you. it is also the case, the russian army of committing war crimes, quoting for justice and to try and get the us itself is not being subject to international norms or legal bodies. what is washington core for just is what is south refusing to even recognize the i c say was this is where the of the united states is, is simply refused to realize that the world is changed. it's not the 1990 s anymore, where we can be one of the players and also the referee. and that's what we want to do in this case, will be the judge who's committing the violations, what, what all said and done. you get held accountable for any crimes you committed or maybe some cases did not commit if you lose. and that's all more reasons why military victory is the imperative for the russian side as well as the i. c,

c goes, look, i'm in a point of the i, c, c. i think the whole idea of international justice as well as a broad, as we saw very much in the yugoslav tribunal, which was simply drunk, had just by the nato powers again, serbia. so i think the idea of international justice is not the way to go on this. and i think these accusations back and forth are, are a point list of the what the real justice will be. why and as i believe will happen, russia, winston, ukraine. i think we'll see a lot of criminals on the ukranian side being called the just a president, putin as that is much tim data for me. i step in my it's many thanks. field time. me appreciate it. thank you. and she stays un security council meeting. china is representative to the you and underlines the importance of continuing negotiations between the 2 countries. he said, sanctions, why in a fake, saved, causing low back for other countries and with the different muscles that code for

refrain from making unfounded accusations, the new kidney. and all accusations, strictly based on facts, before conclusions, are drawn partners true to exercise restraint and avoid unfounded accusations. well, the russian ministry of defense has announced its intention to finish clearing the embattled city of mario pull alongside don. yes, republic forces fights as when the as of battalion refused to be evacuated by humanitarian corridors. as of the ukrainian army troops laid down, their weapons now says to ukrainian helicopters, apparently tried to evacuate the as of battalions commanding offices that was shot down according to russian officials, vassals, the mario on going with the cities that ne theological plans, the last area controlled by ukrainian forces, when it's erin corridors from mario pl, have allegedly been targeted in shelling by nationalists forces. despite the dangerous, they remain open with you when i say marian,

8 or for deliver inside the city is good and essential goods being distributed to different areas of correspondent ramon concert is on the ground with the latest would just delivers to many geron, 8 and medicine to a couple of addresses say here in my removal and as always, people are pleading with us so to take him to safe areas. risa nickaligha is one of those people and we are taking her with us to dentist. oh sure. can you tell us what happened to, you know, with 1st we were hiding in the vestibule, on the, on the elevators, my son who lives in the mask, but told me mother, it's about to not to go to the basement with my flat was burnt down. that's why i moved to another entrance where i lived together with a 90 year old human. every time there was shooting was so flames. but we got used to it like, you know, what do you have to do? so you will meet your son and daughter in law to day. what do you feel service if i don't i don't know how to describe it. i don't know what i will tell them. right

now. i'm calling theresa's daughter in law. oh ok. hello. ok. santa ross with roman called her off. i work as a nazi correspondent today. i'm now returning from our you paula. and i have a surprise for you. yes, i was going to please price. annie. khalilah is here with us on a very goal. another area hartfield says story and night about 30 to 40 minutes they will reunite

with that we will go back to variable morrow and the next day or friday night somebody else. of course, there are hundreds of people out there who have no contact with their loved ones. ukrainian civilians are being displayed not only within the country but also fleeing in towns. refugees to the west with poland remaining one of the main hubs accepting these people. one of them gave an interview to a spanish tv channel revealing the details of what was done to him by his country's army or government and military has abused us during interrogation. they treated us like dogs. i was confronted by 8 people threatening me with imprisonment and beatings. they said they would take me to the

backyard to beat me. the estimate for them, but with the vast majority, hearing the stories. but will the vast majority have stories at refugees, a sharing, it seems not a while russia in the west are trading accusations about the boot, killings, author mart, dancy reports or warning. you may find the following images to survey what happened and butcher seems to entirely depend on what different sides want to have happened and butcher. what actually happened seems to be of little concern. ukraine did that salads accuse russia, russia and its allies, ukraine, day by day. the news about poorer stories is becoming more and more delusional. however, the key a fake machine won't stop nothing for the dehumanization of russia and its maximum denigration. they have gone mad beasts and terror defense is ready to kill its own civilians. at the end of march, russian forces quickly pulled out of the area. on the 31st, the mayor of butcher,

in a video announced that the town had been re captured by ukrainian troops. he did mention, and he corpses, which, according to keith's version, already lifted the streets very, he threw his dear friends dear buchan community march 30. first. we'll go down in the history our town. as the day of its liberation from russian forces, ukrainian troops sent to the town soon after grizzly images flooded. social media, alleged and disputed satellites. images which west and media claim to have been shot more than a week before. suddenly showed bodies everywhere. some near impact craters, butcher had been on the ceaseless ukrainian military shelling. even off the russian forces had left. the united states deliberately glossed over the fact that after the withdrawal of russian troops, the armed forces of ukraine. many of the corpses, little round butcher, also wore white on bands controversial in the and of itself. ukraine claims that

russian forces shot dead civilians who co operated with russia, who apparently showed support. some of the victims had their hands tied again with white cloth. ukrainian. nationalists themselves have commented on the hated on bad saying that they justified shooting at any one wearing them. these arm bands are used by the invaders themselves as an identification sign during fighting. therefore, ukrainian defenders may confuse civilians with russian invaders. factor in that bus and military rations were also scattered around many of the bodies indicating that they had been given them by russian troops just before. and this is what kia claims they shot them. dead mentioning is ukraine's collaboration law enacted recently. and the ukranian civilian who is deemed to have call pirated with russian troops

and presumably worn a white arm band faces 15 years in jail. that is, if they survive arrest by ukrainian troops under these nonsensical circumstances. what hoop does the un school for a fair investigation have? it is vital that all efforts are made to ensure there are independent and effective investigations into what happened in boca, to ensure truth justice and accountability, as well as reparations and remedy for victims in their families. fair words in unfair times, given the voice and the unprecedented level of propaganda and bis information in the media. many have already made up their minds. the pictures from book i testify to the incredible brutality of the russian leadership, and those who follow its propaganda. facts, truths, evidence and culpability. a things of a now dead, the era, and the snoo, a age, emotion and interest established guilt and atrocities. sadly have become sickening

spectacles where the judges, he or she who shouts loudness, more at yahoo! the haughty from the day when a while this statement by the us ambassador, see the then soviet union is a departure from the currents. us governance. we do not know for sure what exactly happened with these apparent atrocities. and certainly we don't know that they were ordered from moscow. the thing is, practically speaking, i believe that the ukrainians need to make a deal. they do need to find some way to let russia keep crimea where the majority of people are russian, and where russia has a naval base to think that the world would benefit from making russia a nuclear power equivalent to the united states, a pariah. i think does not really represent our interests in the future. and while the united states, the case is russia of war crimes, washington itself has had difficult relations with accusations of war crimes during its military campaigns. i seem similar phenomena takes up the story. the u. s. says

there should be an investigation that may sound exactly like what moscow has been repeatedly asking for. but it's not the pro, but mary case talking about is not into what happened or who did what and when in the quinn, in town of butcher but into rushes, actions there. although the disturbing videos emerged, days after russian troops left the town and even days after it was reclaimed by key of forces, it seems beside responsible has already been found. next us national security advisor james sullivan says materials for the court will be collected from intelligent services or organizations like un eye witness accounts from ukrainians on the ground and interviews from global independent media. while so far, only certain american breach and ukrainian journalists have been allowed to enter boucher and finally the case according to sullivan should be handled at the

international criminal court and behave whose authority the united states of america, ironically does not even recognize. we have to understand that the united states did not make itself a party to that criminal court and does not allow its citizens to be tried in it. so there is a bit of you might say hypocrisy to say others should be tried, but are shouldn't. when things happen and things do happen, and i see here reports from november 14th, 2016, contains data on us army war crimes. in janice john, members of us armed forces appear to have subjected at least 61 detained persons to torture, cruel treatment outrages upon personal dignity on the territory of afghanistan between the 1st of may, 2003 and the 31st of december 2014. the majority of the abuses are alleged to have occurred in 2003, 2004. but the u. s. made it clear they were not interested in cooperation with

a hague. we do not believe that an icpc examination or investigation with respect to the actions of us personnel in relation to the situation in afghanistan is warranted or appropriate. what is appropriate is the use of military force to free united states, military personnel, and other elected and appointed officials of the american government in case they are detained by v i. c. c. this is what the 2002 have invasion act is all about the states that have ratified this treaty or trying to strengthen the rule of law, the bush administration is trying to punish them for that. and that's not all. they seem to be reading to threaten the hague directly. if the court comes after us, israel or other u. s. allies, we will not sit quietly. we will let the, i see, see, die on its own. after all, for all intents and purposes, the icpc is already dead from wards and laws to action in 2020 on

a president. trump the us imposed sanctions on some icpc officials and certain unnamed individuals involved in the ccs efforts to investigate us. personnel cancelling their american visas and blocking their accounts. we hold our own accountable better than the i, c. c has done for the worst perpetrators of mass criminal atrocities. the court itself has no means to put any pressure on the u. s. in the n. best simply gave up . after reviewing matters carefully, i have reached the conclusion that at this time there is no longer the prospect of genuine and effective domestic investigations within afghanistan. the united states is now appealing to the, i see as an authority, an arbitrator in international disputes. but washington itself seems to have done more than anyone else to actually discredit, behave the care of plans to seize $400000000000.00 of russian assets south. according to a russia news agencies fighting president landscape adviser,

he's quoted in saying funds should be obtained as a reparation from the aggressor. the moves already got the backing of the polish prime minister. this comes amid a flurry of sanctions from the west since the start of the war in ukraine. the u. s . pass legislation in february that would allow the government to seize and sell frozen russian assets according to the white house. the money should be used as a full ukrainian refugees and rebuilding the country. meanwhile, in canada, independent sen, that's not on it. only deval also put forward a draw office bill proposing ought to have the same powers. she said that its main aim is to give sanctions teeth, showing any aggressive they will permanently lose the money. motion. foreign minister said that freezing russian assets is robbery. the us is well versed in these matters in 1979 and cut it so you know, making diplomatic ties with the wrong feet. freezing its assets in 2016, some of the assets that were not returned were turned over to family members of

people killed in alleged iranian terrorism. more of a total of nearly $350000000000.00 was seized from venezuela. and i've got a song. however, sanctions, as a means of leverage don't have universal backing. china's criticize the us approach to afghanistan with the foreign minister saying that just last week, washington and nato should have seen their responsibility for the reconstruction and development of afghanistan and return all their property paging base, political and economic affairs commentator. i know tongue and say the ukraine doesn't have jurisdiction to seize assets from other countries. ukraine, neither has the process nor the jurors section to seize assets from other countries . but this, this is something that is not in the ukraine. it's also the united states, the new and canada have all introduced legislation that would allow them to do

exactly the same. it's certainly hypes up people from the other side. there's the sense that ukraine will have to be rebuilt. no one wants to re pad, she pay for it and therefore the idea sees russian assets and use those instead. many people, especially in the global south, stands southeast asia. they look at this and say. ready is and track the double standard, the u. s. clack with impunity. but when it chooses to identify the enemy, it will automatically use what they call our project manage, which means without due process to do as that, which thanks. joining us, aaron asi international will be back at the top of the hour. ah mm. with

with hello to welcome to well as a part of the idea of creating a cologne of neither around the pacific ocean has been tantalizing the minds of western strategist ever since washington announces intention to give it to asia. but it never quite came to fruition, in part because of india hesitancy, isn't going to be more likely now after the conflict in ukraine. well, to discuss it are now joined by praveen. stephanie, a former indian army officer and the editor of the force news magazine is great to

talk to you, sir. thank you very much for your time. thank you. now your cream is half a world away, but i was personally surprised by how much attention is paid to this subject in the indian media. and frankly, by the level of the depth of analysis. because this is quite something, something different than what we see in the western media. i mean, not supporting russia, but understanding the context and all the antecedent, strategic and security antecedents. how come the indians seem to be more knowledgeable on this topic than many of the europeans who are much closer to the actual place of conflict? is he, there are 2 fundamental things here. the 1st is that russia is both a european body as well as asia bar. number 2. 1 o d, russia than the chinese this shadow what have you and which.