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now, as well as johnson joins nato members in attempting to warn off russia's. vladimir putin from ukraine, a question mark over them of the issue of europe's gas crisis, as moscow arguably holds all the cards. joining me now from here in london is the case, former secretary of state for energy and climate change, chris hewn. chris, thanks so much for coming back on the show, even if i remotely, i better start, i suppose, obviously with the fact that the police is involved in a criminal investigation of the bars johnson administration for allegedly violating corona virus laws. this is not good news for, for us johnson. he's had a o series of revelations. first of all from leaks about with the number of parties that were going on in down the street at that time when they were banned. and a lot of old people were making considerable sacrifices and yet, so it appears that number 10 was our having parties virtually every other

day. and deborah's johnson has a major problem and with the police getting involved as well, i think things are closing, and i mean the context of this obviously is that tens of thousands obviously ever died. millions arguably psychologically wounded. make your in braga with the police, sir, seem quite small, arguably in response. why do you think president dick they had in the metropolitan police? had to be persuaded by media reports to investigate what would otherwise have been this? what fine they supposed to violating the corona? virus restrictions, much voluntary, a had a policy of only investigating and prosecuting where people were literally breaking the rules in front of their eyes. and that has simply not been sustainable when it comes to downing street because of the amount of media pressure. and frankly, the public outrage that people who have made the rules have been breaking the rules

old phrase in british politics. lawmakers must not be law breakers. i know myself. 6 the reality is that that has come home to roost for boys johnson. i mean, i don't go too long on this because obviously the energy supplies and the bills are going to be mounting up for britain's was vulnerable. but you walked into downing street many times as a cabinet minister, the, there's a policeman literally outside the building, guarding downing street. we surprised that so belatedly, the enquiry by a civil servant now internationally famous su gray. i think she talked about in its national babies. that the only belatedly were the police then invited for interview about a possible criminal violation before the head of scotland yard then said okay, for as john is probably as to be questioned about this, it is of course, the case. the scotland yard is responsible for the protection of

senior figures tron terrace in science or anything else. and therefore there is always, ah, a police presence at downing street. and you could argue they should have known about this all along. and in the donnie street, of course, is covered as no such buildings would be by cameras. and yet nothing was reported to the place now it may just be internal. what we call chinese walls and the personal protection squads, or have a, a solid firm pledge of a murder to ah, that the people are protecting em and don't shop them too. for the rest of the police force, but it doesn't look good. ready i think the embarrassment is mounted to chris at a deck and martin that accounts for the fact that there's been a u turn in the much fall in places policy. and they are now looking at these events in retrospect now, it's

a well known rule of politics. the famous wag the dog phrase about the clinton administration, that a politician in trouble will seek or other avenues and to distract from our, their situation. i should just say on corona virus were unlocked down here because apparently i tested positive one day, the restrictions are being lifted. now, you think there's a bullet as a zation of the corona virus restrictions themselves. the w h o, they're saying that they're, they're alarmed by johnson's go with the policies thinker rather than medical evidence this police say investigation may be affecting the health of the nation or no, i don't. i think that the evidence on the number of people. ready in intensive care and the number of people. ready being admitted hospital coming down quite sharply, there have been enormous increases and under cases, but most of those cases are asymptomatic or they are people who are really showing

no signs of simpson. i think the call a late last year to a relax restrictions was more classical, but i think that actually boys johnson got away with that. well, obviously, as we keep hearing from conservative politicians or johnson should actually be commended for the best vaccination record. and of course denies any element of code restrictions being politicized, but then arguably on the same day, i mean within the past 48 hours, what we hear is that the cabinet office and treasury minister resigns who's supposed to be responsible for counter fraud over a legit 4000000000 of corona virus or procurement fraud, or what would you make of of that, i think is quite inevitable that there was fraud when you dispense so much public money so quickly to keep businesses alive. and i think the minister, who resigned was trying to flag up the treasury and others need to be rather

tougher about pursuing these cases and may have been while the government denies or fraud. and obviously those being pursued at the moment, deny that they're involved in any fraud or you have to make a clear distinction between government for which. ready is no evidence and fraud by companies that will often set up in order to claim cash from the government to get through the coven crisis versus the fraud. while the minister said it was ignorant of incompetence, rather than corrupt as, as you're suggesting. but then, i suppose i'm going to ask whether the police inquiry may also be impacting on the government and taking their eye off the ball when it comes to energy bills, let alone ukraine, which i will get on to do you think they took their eye off the ball as a former energy secretary state yourself when it came to one after another energy

company going bust in the past few months. well, there are 2 separate issues though, a lot, so little energy suppliers, but went boss because they weren't adequately capitalized for the job that they were doing. and because they did not put in place the source of hedging mechanisms on the financial markets would have allowed them to continue to supply energy that they had committed to supplies. so that was a regulatory failure on the part of off jem, but i think you have to distinguish that situation very much from what's going on world markets for both gas and oil. and here we have a situation which is way outside the control, frankly, of any single state player. because we have a situation where gas and oil markets have been strengthening, tightening very, very rapidly over the last year. largely due to fundamental factors such as increased demand and the far east because of

a hot summer and extra air conditioning demand. and because of cold winter, because you've had a whole series of or of potential supply shocks with various suppliers coming off stream. and you've had a shortfall in northern europe, of, of wind or electricity coming from wind turbines. so all of these are almost like a perfect storm. and i think that any government that thinks that it can control world gas world crisis is frankly behaving like the legendary no region. king canute who famously explained to his quarters that he couldn't control everything by putting his throne down on the sea side and showing that it couldn't stop the tide. and i think that's the situation so, and the government is going to be held to account all the governments will be held

account in the u. s. joe biden. that's very, very worried about rising oil prices because people blame governments even if governments have very little control of issues. yes, but i mean, i'm in fantasy, king, canute, he arguably had control over the resource. it's known as a natural monopoly. energy supplies were old enough to know when it was a nationalized under democratic control industry. off jim, the regulator was he denies wrong doing. what isn't this a case for just bring it back under democratic control, nationalize these energy companies. so one company can hedge against those markets and can work with an international any, any, any company can be required by the, by off german officer should have required energy companies to hedge their positions if they were committed to supplying gas or the particular price, then they need to be able to go into the gas market and secure their supplies in advance, and if they don't, they are taking

a massive gamble on the gas price is going to stay low enough, them to continue to make a profit. and what has happened over the last year is that it's gone up. as a result, they've been losing money and some of them, as you've rightly pointed out of traps, they're avoiding nationalization context. man, nationalization, i think, is a complete red herring. and absolutely no reason why a nationalized company would be any better position than competing companies. in fact, i think frankly, i mean, you have experience of nationalized companies in the past when we did have this and having to wait for example, for weeks and months before you got say, a telephone or when you can walk in and just get one straight away now i think that nationalization is very oversold as a benefit. okay. well they hundreds around the world watching this with their nationalized energy and telecoms. i suppose we'll have to take note, but i better ask you about the, the idea of cause of war in europe,

in the global south of obviously in russia and china, the idea of a war in europe is as easy as a very improbable, but a nation media it is being regarded as imminent. again and again, the brink of war in europe. what impact would that have on the energy supplies in europe, given that russia, as supplies, are reputed, 40 percent of european energy? well, let's not forget that we've had a low level in eastern ukraine really since 20. ready 14, when the, depending on your description of what they are, the local separatists took control on. the only issue now is whether it is seriously escalated, and if there is a serious escalation, then i would expect gas more prices to rise very, very sharply. but i will also expect that russia would not benefit from that, because of course, what will happen is that the u. s. will attempt desperately to pump out as much l,

n g and as possible, and it has been involved in a liquid manner. nick could not liquefied natural gas, and it has been involved and talks with both norway and gas in order to make sure that there would be extra supplies. it's a very big hole to fill because russia obviously supplies 40 percent of the gas in germany and, and similar proportions elsewhere. ready the e u, but if that happens, then i think that it would be immensely damaging all the safe, western europe in the short run. but in the long run, the people who would really suck will be russia, because if you get the reputation as an unreliable supplier, then people will never want to buy your roll materials again. so, and that would surprise me, frankly, because up until now russia has been a reliable supplier, and it has not generally played politics with gas or oil supplies. and

countries that do play politics with gas, most oil supplies lose in the long run. growth here in progress, like just like thank you. after the break, as india's power rises as the asian continent, big enough, but 2 superpowers, we investigate the future for india with the roger saba m. p in india's ruling b, j. b party. all this more coming up about to have going underground. if you've been following the conflict in ukraine online and for media, you have been very steady diet of opinions like who are the good guys and who are the bad guys and who is winning or losing context is largely absent and that's on purpose. ah, with

ah, welcome back. as india celebrates republic day on its 75th anniversary of independence from british colonial rule. that same imperial power has now come searching for trade deal with india, considering this reversal. what does the future hold for the country that is expected to be the 2nd largest economy in 2030 and has the current of our span, demik slowed down. india's rising power. joining me now from new delhi is india's woman law and justice minister and ross of a m p in india's ruling b j. p potty,

dr. romanian swami. thank you so much, jesse, for money for coming back on. i want to get to a recent events in a moment, but obviously you been tweeting a stream of information here. 11000000 followers on twitter, about net or g su bus boast, why have we never heard of this man? and who was this man? because they are different generations of their generation was contemporary in the 40 s i heard of nobody else, but him he was president of the congress party man who sacrifices of a flourishing career of being a civil servant and the top of service. one of the i c s and i, he came with a freedom movement and he excited all the people. he had a theory that on the great in creating an organization, but his,

i turn total non violence is not going to drive the british out. so he wanted a mixture. ah, there was a revolt in the congress party about that. and so he quit the congress party and then ultimately, when the war was declared, the war was declared. he went abroad. i 1st tried to persuade the soviet union to help him by then by then stalin had decided to make up with the western world. he broke his alliance with hitler, and so he ran from moscow to, to, to germany. and there he tried to persuade a hitler to i help women is liberation of india. a take lower seem to be more interested in the middle east. and also he thought that the indians need to be ruled and that it shouldn't be given independence. and then he said ok, put me on

a submarine and send me to the indian ocean. and from there i'll go to japan. and that's why the, how he ended up when singapore and he created all an army out of those who had surrendered to the japanese. and the british, i'm from british indian army. those b. lenny create an army. he invaded india in the sense the cross the border. he captured some parts of marble on for the flag of india in the northeast states of india. and he was her, i mean, became a hero in india. i mean, i do want to skip along, but people can follow you to find out more about that. i should just say in passing that prince charles is the great mentor lord my baton, allegedly killed by the array that you you say that you say that it was an

agent to fact to him his in a sense that killed gun v. ah, well, i don't say it. yes, the, the assassin not, not my gandhi. in my opinion, i had the links or the with mouse button because his 1st attempt to assassinate mark on the, on the 28th of january, 1948 was a fiasco. and in sort of molesting him and putting him in jail because it was clear us part right handed, he was let go free. and then he comes back to new delhi on the 27th of january and then now and so did the as, as a fires and gun the, i don't know whether those bullets kill the gun, the or not. and there's a big misty on that, that does it on the 30th i'm holding a online discussion on or how did the actually die? and of course mister,

god says he was non did fire at point blank range or bullets. but how many were bullets you fired and all those are controversies. but it's quite clear that mr. going to say would not have gotten it on the if it weren't for the complicity of mr . ma'am on button. ok. well, obviously, i mean we covered on this show about her not to mount batten's papers are still kept secret by the british government. this move on 75 years later, you have more poor than the whole of sub saharan africa put together. you have a prime minister who had to back down finally after the largest strike in history. what did you make of these farm protests that ignited the poor and the consciousness of the poor all around the world? this was the pharma laws that were passed on. you can make a case that it was good reform, but the fact is that one part of india not the whole of the death one body of india

namely punjab. ah, and some sympathizers in the western stay western district, so you'll be they were against the same because it affected the minimum support prices. there would be getting which they were getting at the very high rates, but job and job was a very prosperous, a. our government and particularly the prime minister, was unnecessarily obstinate i had written to him and suggested that those states where the b, b is ruling you implemented there. because the constitution has made it very clear that agriculture is the sort of business of the states and the center has no nothing to do with agriculture. how mr. moody, brought in these amendments was by the back door because the taxes that are levied even on agriculture therein, by the center. so in the name on for reforming the tax collection i,

he created this reform and the seeks or no mean characters. they are fighters there for there are any hard to for the margins. even mrs. on the was there. and they were didn't back down. and so ultimately, mr. moody had to magna, but rather than a matter of a legislative minutia is arguably something philosophical about new liberal food policies. and actually this relates to your increasing comments against a china china, broad 800000000 people out of poverty in the past. since the elements, where can you not see that these sorts of farming reforms as you call them, actually are the opposite and what china did and managed to use to policy that helped to feed hundreds of people. no, not. china abolished the can system, permitted the farmers who are not previously permitted to sell their own produce

and if necessary, come to urban areas and sell them. yes, didn't allow foreign companies didn't allow foreign companies to come into small farm holdings and take them over. i don't think there is being a allowance for specifically foreign companies to come. what does this that day? there was operation by which the indian plutocrats are the big business could come in. and those are things that were uncalled for and indeed of farms. and i had my son objected to it, because when you say that no farmer's need not sell it in the, in the, in the wholesale grain market, they can make direct contacts with the industrialists and make a contract. and in fact, grow what the industrialist wants you to grow. now was actually, in my opinion,

a disaster. and shouldn't have been there in the 1st place. i have just b j. b policy. look at the coven vaccines over bill gates is very into in the are in the coven vaccine? yes. but if it one for me, there will be no indian challenger waxing, because i'm on the standing committee of parliament on health. i was able to ram it through in the beginning are, and mr. by mr. announced he only announced that the british, or i asked for any card whatever. it's called i. and then i my you know, had, didn't, in the meeting was there of the standing committee and i made a very stringent criticism. and i don't know whether in response to that or what the, by mr. nate late night that same day, also said that co action can do it in a quote. maxine is the only maxine now which guy, you know, has 0 mortality rates and they're referring to the indian vaccine,

not the multinational attempt to try to vaccinate the global south or whether i don't think that correction is enough to give it to too many people abroad. i have no reports of any co action debts that has been submitted to our committee. and if anyone can point out with that, i'd be happy to take it. obviously a meds and always kaiser risk. i think the void is 75 years on some i'd say that whether it be the vaccination, whether it be new, liberalizing the farming, whether it be the or what is this $10000000000.00 and negotiated of arms from the united states. $22000000000.00 from the u. s. in arms. over the past 10 years, a pawn against china is one allegation. india is basically a colonial subject of nato. and the i m f and world bank and bill gates maybe. yeah . well i'm, i think we are not anything specific. that's the worst part either you should be

in the car acquired or you should be in the bricks. but mr. moody is in both. and both sides. keep inviting him on that that he or she was anything in that i agree with you that we need to do a lot of our own production. and i was the slogan earlier on self reliance after the most money to go, the 1st dilution take lists when we bought from the french the a valid claims. and then from there, so read union, excuse me, russia. we bought s 400. and now i think we are going to buy $500.00 to and now the americans are upset. they're saying that, you know, the, this is billed with chinese electronics and we can give you our advanced weapons because there will be spying. so it's a pleasure to learn. we are getting the worst of both words. you're not really

doing it to the west. if you are saying that we are a junior partner of the west, that's wrong. here we seem to be junior partner practically the both blocks and just find me. i better just very briefly put to you what has been of course said that there is a genocide against muslims and christians continuing. i presume you reject the accusation. yes, i have. and i can tell you that, ah, that's after the quality of genocide is ridiculous. yes, there have been riots, but this is not just that you had to happen only in our when we became to part the bigger became to part mrs gun. these thing i can do, you want to 89 where they've been on every i in order to get it killing by hindus and then in your som, i have or what the targeted killing in, but job with the seeks. or there are plenty of examples, but these don't come into

a more general site. it's not that they have been, they've maybe lack of finesse in using the police. lack of preparations there, but i mean, foreseeing something is going to happen and do something about it. all that, but genocide in india, there's no place for that. just happened. it's western propaganda dog with the romanians rami, thank you. that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season. the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your country. and remember, you can continue to watch all going underground episodes on odyssey and latino come see very soon with

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