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readies, thousands of us troops to fight over ukraine. britons former energy secretary tells us what it means. we're powering european homes and where the johnson's party political career here at home is actually over. and today the so called world's largest democracy, india celebrates the 75th anniversary of the end of a british imperialism. the reputedly killed 35000000. we ask, outspoken, routing, b, j. p. party, and pizza. bermonte in swami. india is increasing animosity with china is now making india a colonial subject of native. all this a more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, today, the scandal head government to the u. k. government is grabbing the majority of current of ours related restrictions in the country with the highest co death joel in western europe now is worth. johnson joins nato members in attempting to warn off russia's. vladimir putin from ukraine, a question mark over them of the issue of europe's gas crisis, as moscow arguably holds all the cards. joining me now from here in london is the

new case, former secretary state for energy and climate change, chris hewn. chris, thanks so much for coming back on the show, even if i remotely, i better start, i suppose, obviously with the fact that the police is involved in a criminal investigation of the boris johnson administration for allegedly violating corona virus laws. this is not good news for, for us johnson. he's had a o series of revelations. first of all from leaks about what the number of parties that were going on in down the street at the time when they were banned. and a lot of old people were making considerable sacrifices, and yet it appears that number 10 or was, are having parties virtually every other day. and deborah's johnson has a major problem and with the police getting involved as well, i think things are closing and i'm in the context of this obviously is that tens of thousands obviously ever died. millions arguably psychologically wounded. make your

in braga with the police, sir, seem quite small, arguably in response. why do you think president dick the head of the metropolitan police? had to be persuaded by media reports to investigate what would otherwise have been the spot? fine, they supposed violating the corona virus restrictions, much warranties. a had a policy of only investigating and prosecuting where people were literally breaking the rules in front of our eyes. and that has simply not been sustainable when it comes to downing street because of the amount of media pressure. and frankly, the public outrage that people who have made the rules have been breaking the rules . hello, old phrase in british politics and lawmakers must not be law breakers as i know myself. 6 the reality is that that has come home to roost for boys johnson. i mean,

i don't wanna go too long on this because obviously the energy supplies and the bills are going to be mounting up for britain's was vulnerable. but you walked into downing street many times as a cabinet minister, the, there's a policeman literally outside the building, guarding downing street. we surprised that so belatedly, the enquiry by a civil center now internationally famous su gray. i think she's talked about in its national babies. that the only belatedly were the police then invited for interview about a possible criminal violation before the head of scotland yard then said okay, for as john is probably has to be questioned about this. it is of course, the case. the scotland yard is responsible for the protection of senior figures. tron terrace as soon so anything else? and therefore there is always, ah, a police presence at downing street. and you could argue they should have known

about this all along. and in the donnie street, of course, is covered as no such buildings would be by cameras. and yet nothing was reported to the place now. it may just be internal, what we call chinese walls and the personal protection squads, or have a, a solid firm pledge of a murder to ah, that the people are protecting and don't shop them to the rest of the police force, but it doesn't look good and i think the embarrassment is mounted to chris at a deck and not in that accounts for the fact that there's been a u turn in the metropolitan places policy. and they are now looking at these events in retrospect now, it's a well known rule of politics. the famous wag the dog phrase about the clinton administration, that the politician in trouble will seek her other avenues and to distract from her their situation. i should just say on corona virus were unlocked down here because

apparently i tested positive one day. there are restrictions that being lifted. now, you think there's a bullet as a zation of the corona virus restrictions themselves. the w h o. they're saying that they're alarmed by johnson's go with the policies thinker rather than medical evidence. this police investigation may be affecting the health of the nation or no, i don't. i think that the evidence on the number of people. ready in intensive care and the number of people being admitted hospital coming down quite sharply. there have been enormous increases and under cases, but most of those cases are asymptomatic or they are people who are really showing no signs of simpson. i think the call late last year to relax restrictions was more classical, but i think that actually boys johnson got away with that. well, obviously,

as we keep hearing from concerted politicians or johnson should actually be commended for the best vaccination record. and of course denies any element of code restrictions being politicized. but then arguably on the same day, i mean within the past 448 hours, what we hear is that the cabinet office and treasury minister resigns who's supposed to be responsible for counter fraud over a legit, 4000000000 of corona virus or procurement fraud or what would you make of, of that? i think it's quite inevitable that there was fraud when you dispense so much public money so quickly to keep business alive. and i think the minister who resigned was trying to flag up the treasury and. ready others need to be rather tougher about pursuing these cases may have been while the government denies or fraud. and obviously those being pursued at the moment, deny that they're involved in any fraud. you have to make

a clear distinction between government for which. ready is no evidence and fraud by companies are often set up in order to claim cash from the government to get through the code crisis basses the fraud. while the minister said it was ignorant of incompetence rather than corrupt. there's, as you're suggesting, but then there, i suppose i've got to ask whether the police inquiry may also be impacting on the government and taking their eye off the ball when it comes to energy bills, let alone ukraine, which i will get on to do you think they took their eye off the ball as a former energy secretary state yourself when it came to one after another energy company going bust in the past few months. well, there are 2 separate issues. there were a lot so little energy suppliers, but went boss because they weren't adequately capitalized for the job that they were doing. and because they did not put in place the source of hedging mechanisms

on the financial markets would have allowed them to continue to supply energy that they had committed to supplies. so that was a regulatory failure on the part of off jem, but i think you have to distinguish that situation very much from what's going on world markets for both gas and oil. and here we have a situation which is way outside the control, frankly, of any single state player. because we have a situation where gas and oil markets have been strengthening, tightening very, very rapidly over the last year. largely due to fundamental factors such as increased demand in the far east because of our hot summer and extra air conditioning demand. and because of cold winter, because you've had a whole series of or of potential supply shocks with various suppliers

coming off stream. and you've had a shortfall in northern europe, of, of wind electricity coming from wind turbines. so all of these are almost like a perfect storm. and i think that any government that thinks that it can control world gas world crisis is frankly behaving like the legendary. no region the king canute who famously explained his quarters that he couldn't control everything by putting his throne down on the sea side and showing that it couldn't stop the tried. and i think that's the situation so, and the government is going to be held to account all the governments will be held to account in the u. s. joe biden is very, very worried about rising oil prices because people blame governments, even if governments have very little control over your sears. yes, but i mean, in fans to king canute, he arguably had control over the resource. it's known as

a natural monopoly. energy supplies were old enough to know when it was a nationalized under democratic control industry of gym. the regulator was, he denies wrong doing. what isn't this a case for just bring it back under democratic control, nationalize these energy companies. so one company can hedge against those markets and can work with an international any, any, any company can be required by the, by, of chairman officer should have required energy companies to hedge their positions if they were committed to supplying gas or the particular price, then they need to be able to go into the gas market and secure their supplies in advance, and if they don't, they are taking a massive gamble on the gas price is going to stay low enough, them to continue to make a profit. and what has happened over the last year is that it's gone up. as a result, they've been losing money and some of them, as you've rightly pointed out of traps, they're avoiding nationalization context. men. nationalization i think, is

a complete red herring. and absolutely no reason why a nationalized company would be any better position than competing companies. in fact, i think frankly, how many had experience of nationalized companies in the past when we did have this and having to wait for example, for weeks and months before you got a telephone. when you can walk in and just get one straight away. now i think the nationalization is very. ready oversold as a benefit. okay, well all the hundreds around the world watching this with their nationalized energy and telecoms. i suppose we'll have to take note, but i better ask you about the idea of cause of war in europe in the global south. obviously, in russia and china, the idea of a war in europe is as easy as a very improbable but a nation media is being regarded as imminent. again and again, the brink of war in europe. what impact would that have on the energy supplies in

europe given that russia as supplies, reputed, 40 percent of european energy? let's not forget that. we've had a low level in easton ukraine, really since 2014. when the, depending on your description of what they are, the local separatists took control on. the only issue now is whether it is seriously escalated. and if there is a serious escalation, then i would expect gas more prices to rise very, very sharply. but i will also expect that russia would not benefit from that because of. ready what will happen is that the u. s. will attempt desperately to pump out as much l, n g and as possible. and it has been involved in a liquid manner. it could not liquefied natural gas. and that has been involved and talks with both norway and gas in order to make sure that there would be extra supplies. it's

a very big hole to fill because russia obviously supplies 40 percent of the gas in germany and similar proportions elsewhere. ready the e u, but if that happens, then i think that it would be immensely damaging, obviously, if western europe in the short run, but in the long run, the people who would really suck or be russia because if you get the reputation as an unreliable supplier, then people will never want to buy your roll materials again. so, and that would surprise me frankly, because up until now russia has been a reliable supplier. it has not generally played politics with gas or oil supplies. and countries that do play politics with gas, most oral supplies lose in the long run growth here and for me. thank you. thank. thank you. after the break, as india's power rises as the asian continent,

big enough for 2 superpowers, we investigate the future for india with the raja saba, m. p, in india's ruling b, j. b party. all this a more can we have about to have going underground with if you've been following the conflict in ukraine online and from media, you have been very steady diet of opinions like who are the good guys and who are the bad guys and who is winning or losing context is largely absent and that's on purpose. mm. welcome back. as india celebrates republic day on it, 75th anniversary of independence from british colonial rule. that same imperial

power has now come searching for trade deal with india, considering this reversal. what does the future hold for the country that is expected to be the 2nd largest economy in 2030 and has the current of ours, pandemic slow down india's rising power. joining me now from new delhi isn't his woman law and justice minister and ross of a m p in india's ruling b. j. p potty, dr. romanian swami. thank you so much. jesse vermani for coming back on, i want to get to a recent events in a moment, but obviously you been tweeting a stream of information here. 11000000 followers on twitter, about net or g su bus bows. why have we never heard of this man? and who was this man was day or for different generation of their generation was contemporary in the 40 s. i heard of nobody else, but him. he was a resident of the congress party man who sacrifices of

a flourishing career of being a civil servant and the top of service. one of the i c s. and he came to the freedom movement and he excited all the people. he had a theory that on these great in creating an organization, but his, i turn total non violence is not going to drive the british out. so he wanted a mixture. ah, there was a revolt in the congress party about that. and so he quit the congress party and then ultimately, ah, when the war was declared, the world war was declared. he went abroad. i 1st tried to persuade the soviet union to help him by then by then stalin had decided to make up with the western world. he broke his alliance with hitler, and so he ran from moscow to, to,

to germany. and there he tried to persuade a hitler to help him in is liberation of india. a ted lower seem to be more interested in the middle east. and also he thought that the indians need to be ruled and it shouldn't be given independence. and then he said, ok, put me on a submarine and send me to the indian ocean. and from there i'll go to japan. and that's why the, how he ended up when singapore and he created all an army out of those who had surrendered to the japanese. a british, i'm from a british indian army. those b, lenny, great, an army. he invaded india in the sense the cross the border. he captured some parts . ah, and her mother unfold the flag of india in the northeast stage some india. and he has her, i mean, became a hero in india. i mean, i do want to skip along,

but people can follow you to find out more about that. i should just say in passing that prince charles is the great mentor lord, my baton alleged killed by the array that you you say that you say that it, it was an agent defact to him, his in a sense that killed gun v. ah. well, i don't say it, yes, the, the assassin not, not my gandhi. in my opinion, i had the links or the, or with mouse button because his 1st attempt to assassinate mark on the, on the 25th of january. 1948 was a fiasco. and in sort of molesting him and putting him in jail because it was clear you as part right handed, he was let go free. and then he comes back to new delhi on the 27th of january and then now and so did the assess the fires and gun the i don't know

whether those bullets kill the gun or not. and there's a big, misty on that, that does it on the 30th i'm holding a online discussion on watch. yeah. how did the actually die? and of course mister, god says he was non did fire at point blank range or bullets. but how many more bullets you fired and all those are controversies, but it's quite clear that mr. gold saying would not have gotten it on the if it weren't for the complicity of mr. ma'am on back. ok. well, obviously, i mean we covered on this show about her not to mount batton's papers are still kept secret by the british government. this move on 75 years later, you have more poor than the whole of sub saharan africa put together. you have a prime minister who had to back down finally after the largest strike in history. what did you make of these farm protests that ignited the poor and the

consciousness of the poor all around the world? this was the pharma laws that were passed on. you can make a case that it was good reform, but the fact is that one part of india is not the whole of the death. one bothering there, namely print job and some sympathizers in the western stay western district. so you'll be, they were against the same because it affected the minimum support prices, there would be getting which they were getting at the very high rate. but job job was a very prosperous, a. our government and particularly the prime minister, was unnecessarily obstinate i had written to him and suggested that those states where the b is ruling you implemented there. because the constitution has made it very clear that agriculture is the sole business of the states and the center has no nothing to do with agriculture. how mr. moody brought in

these amendments was by the back door because the taxes that are levied even on agriculture therein, by the center. so in the name on for reforming the tax collection i, he created this reform and the seeks out or no mean characters. they are fighters, therefore they're very hard to imagine, even mrs gandhi was there, and they were didn't back down. and so ultimately, mr. moody had to magna, but rather than a matter of a legislative minutia is arguably something philosophical about new liberal food policies. and actually this relates to your increasing comments against china, china, broad, 800000000 people out of poverty in the past. since t element square. can you not see that the source of farming reforms,

as you call them, actually are the opposite of what china did. and managed to use to policy that helped to feed hundreds of people. no, no. china abolished the can system, permitted the farmers who are not previously permitted to sell their own produce and if necessary, come to urban areas and sell them. yeah, i didn't allow foreign companies didn't allow foreign companies to come into small farm holdings and take them over. i don't think that there has been a allowance for specifically for companies to come. what areas is that they? there was operation by which the indian plutocrats are the big business could come in. and those are things that were uncalled for and indeed of farms and i, i, my son objected to it. because when you say that no farmers need not sell it

in the, in the, in the wholesale grain market, they can make direct contacts with the industrialists and make a contract. and in fact, grow what the industrialist wants you to grow. now was actually in my opinion, a disaster. and shouldn't have been there in the 1st place. i just b j. b. paula. look at the coven vaccines. i for bill gates is very into in the are in the coven vaccine? yes. my favorite one for me. there will be no indian challenger waxing, because i'm on the standing committee of parliament on health. i was able to ram it through in the beginning, our end mr. by mr. announce the on the announced that the british law astrazeneca, whatever it's called i. and then i my you know, had, didn't, in the meeting was there of the standing committee and i made a very stringent criticism. and i don't know whether in response to that or what

the, by mr. nate late night that same day, also said that co action can do it in a quote. maxine is the only maxine now which i know has 0 mortality rates and they're referring to the indian vaccine, not the multinational attempt to trying to vaccinate the global self. well, i don't think that correction is enough to give it to, to any people abroad. i have no report of any cor waxing debts that has been submitted to our committee. and if anyone can find out with that, i'd be happy to take it up. obviously are meds and always kaiser risk. i think the void is 75 years on some. i'd say that whether it be the vaccination, whether it be new, liberalizing the farming, whether it be the or what is this $10000000000.00 a negotiated a bombs from the united states. $22000000000.00 from the us in arms over the past

10 years. a point against china is one allegation. india is basically a colonial subject of nato. and the i m f and world bank. and bill gates, maybe you well i'm, i think we are not anything specific. that's the worst part either you should be in the car acquired or you should be in the bricks. but mr. moody is in both. and both sides. i keep inviting him on that that he achieves anything in that. i agree with you that we need to do a lot of our own production. and our was the slogan earlier on self reliance after the most money to go the 1st dilution. take this when we bought from the french the, you know, the plans and then from the soviet union, excuse me, russia. we bought a 400. and now i think we are going to buy $500.00 to

and now the americans are upset. they're saying that, you know, the, this is bill with chinese electronics and we can give you our advanced weapons because there will be spying. so to try to learn. we are, we are getting the worst of both words. you're not really doing it to the west. if you are saying that we are a junior partner of the west, that's wrong. here, we seem to be junior partner practically the both blocks. and just finally, i better just very briefly put to you what has been of course said that there is a genocide against muslims and christians continuing. i presume you reject the accusation. yes, i have. and i can tell you that, but that's a general site is ridiculous. yes, there been rides, but this is not that going to happen only in our when we came to palm beach because

this is gone. these thing i can give you a what? 8. 9 where there been a i in order to get it killing by induced and i or what the target is killing in the job to seeks. oh, data. plenty of examples, but these don't come into a dumb genocide. it's not that they have been they said maybe lack of finesse in using the police. lack of paper operations there, but i mean, foreseeing something is going to happen and do something about it. all that. but genocide in india, there's no place that just happened. it's western propaganda dog because everybody and so i, me, thank you. that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season. the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then you can keep in touch my all social media. if it's available in your country and remember, you can continue to watch all going underground episodes on odyssey and latino come

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