ah, in the world transformed what will make you feel safer? hi, solution for community. are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere? direct. what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depths. or remain in the shallows. holden is the aggressor today. i'm authorizing additional strong sanctions. today russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing up in your future unless of course renewed as you speak. i'm believe senior mostly mine or wish you were banding all in ports of russian oil

and gas, new g i. g. of course we can finish with the letter from, you know, we're pretty good regarding joe, by imposing these sanctions on russia. you know, has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang ah, [000:00:00;00] with hello and welcome to cross top where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. europe finds itself in a quandary. it is determined to punish russia for its military operation in ukraine

. it's favored paula: the instrument is of course, sanctions of all sorts. but alas, it's not so simple. sanctions and gender counter sanctions. this translates into economic pain. for europe. ah, i cross sucking europe's fate. i'm joined by my guess i'd rail can santa in london. he is founder of a k consulting and a foreign affairs analyst in paris. we have rachel marston. she is a political columnist and coast of unpredicted with rachel marston, and in prague we crossed to brad blankenship. he is a columnist at c g t n. a freelance reporter for ocean. why? as well as an rti contributor or a crosswalk rules and the fact that means he can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate rachel, let me go to you 1st and paris. one of my favorite phrases over the years has been the law of unintended consequences. now, with the fervor of almost like a crusade,

a europe intend to punish russia for its operations in ukraine are beginning to serve counterproductive. ends here. i mean, particularly in the area of energy and as much as nato in the u. e. you want to talk about unity. the more they talk about sanctions, the less unity there is, go ahead, racial. yeah, what's interesting is french president, man hearing that whole faith is in the next few days at least the 1st round of the campaign and he's in the tight race right now against and then from the far right. and he's facing a real problem because he flattery said several times that nato is brain dead. that need moved. and you mentioned that you cannot just focus on russia and yeah, absolutely nothing. not only to re orient things in that sense, but also to stop the proxy war, which is essentially what we're seeing right now when you create it,

nato versus russia using ukraine as possible. and even then the home was doing a lot of shuttle diplomacy between moscow in the us fire to all this popping off in february. yep. and oh, you really had to do was just say, friend isn't getting involved in this. we're not sending ukraine. we're not getting involved in this. hey, if us has a problem with russia. if for you guys to deal with by that, it probably would be actually in this situation. instead, what he's doing now is trying to play both sides with court from middle as you'd like to say, he's saying on one side, look, i'm trying to take in position for europe, the best for europe. that's best for the people of france. and the same time saying, well look, where was the united states, where was nato, when were united way?

shouldn't done is adopted the position that he sees himself as representing although he doesn't, and that is the position a former french president shuffled a gun general from world war q, who basically pulled france out of needle command. and the french stayed outside of nieto until nicholas are cozy in rachel, the reason why my crown didn't do it because he has no courage. that's his problem . ok. he can talk all he was, but he didn't have any. great. i'm glad rachel brought this up because i was going to go to this here. let me go to drill on this here. mate, chrome defends dialogue with russia. continuing, cox with moscow can build, quote, a new architecture of peas. well, where were you? and december, january, and february, when the russians were talking about a new architecture for security in europe, a grow, this is laughable history is going to laugh at this man. adrian, go ahead and i'm not quite sure with the history law for this. if we understand how

the politics in europe governs, we need to bear in mind that this politicians told no whole, no power when it comes to the internal decisions within the european politics. i mean, the real decision makers in washington d. c. and this has been said already 1927 by famous french. what po valerie, that europe is currently governed by the united states. and these, these, these are the effects of, of being covered and being a lot sovereign entity. so obviously i'm on my home is trying to portray him so as a war time leader. and he's trying to get the best of both worlds, you know, playing as a mediator between the west and president, what he may putting out of the same time. he's contradicting his own internal and

foreign policy by leaning towards being instead of having a europe european security autonomy, i would say i would call it a european security dependence on the united states. and what i would like to say is stuff is quite significant to bear in mind that what is happening in europe is a repercussion of, of the united states strategy to somehow put in place the offshore balance. a strategy here in europe to somehow engage russia in fighting or we can call it a military mission to deny the fi ukraine. but of the same time on tuesday the, the, the executive, all of nato just falls back set up. and now nato is looking towards asia in order

to, you know, have a closer ties in, with, with, with asian partners. so in my understanding is stuff they are trying to offshore balance, the power that is russia here in europe, while the same time united states can concentrate both somehow complaining as they say, china in asia. but it is. so the teaching strategy, because you can't, you know, fight to main your asian powers of the same time we shall see. but in my opinion, this will lead to a massive try to g. yeah, well in the way i look at it, brad number one, since we brought up from chrome, i hope he's defeated in his presidential reelection bid because he's a coward in for very reason. the reasons that we've already heard here. and number 2, nato should just close shop because it can't keep the peace. all it does is bring war . let's talk about the law of and unintended consequences. i mean, you're living in europe. i mean, do people understand the rest of the,

the repercussions of what's going to happen to the economy when you attack a g 20 country like russia, particularly in the area of energy? you know, the over dependence on russia? well, they're looking for dependency on, on the, on the us and it's going to be very, very expensive. go ahead brand. you know, that's exactly right. i don't think anybody here understands that i'm in here in the czech republic. i what i've noticed to this conflict is, is how much necessarily be the national identity of the former warsaw pact, countries that are now members of the european union is like necessarily based on anti russia, which they attached to their socialist pass. and it's almost like these voices were elevated and amplified by the united states after the ball, the berlin wall. and after the revolutions against communism, here in eastern europe to stand against russia and to prop up dado and us lead world order. people are so rabbit in their anti rushes in here that they don't

realize that their houses are being heated by russian guy. i mean, as i'm sitting here in my apartment now talking to you, i'm in a pretty comfortable environment here. heated by russia. we have a majority of our energy of our liquefied natural natural gas in the czech republic from russia. and to me, this idea that we can de globalize russia, which is the term i'm seeing use more now. this attempt to de globalize, russia will have an antenna consequences when i'm noticing it also as well. people don't realize that it is, for example, russia is the largest exporter of mineral, natural mineral. busy ready like the food for animal fertilizer, a fertilizer to leisure. yeah. right. mineral for analyzer. so we're going to see even more food inflation around the world. the entire african continent is based. it's we imports from russia. this will be mass starvation in africa. if you know these countries in the west are selling africa, you need to have

a response to the warren ukraine. ok. if that happens, everybody in africa is going to start to get. it will be mass destitution and people don't understand this, that one won't show you about low. hi, brad, it's ago. this was brad like that. we should point out to the, you know, iraq is iraq, afghanistan. so i began to send libby as libya. and though that how did that impact western lifestyles? not very much because they are very far away. but this is going to happen in the heart of europe. this is what people don't understand. rachel, let me go to you. you're very well aware of the co concept of ca, cancel, come to cancel culture. now we're doing it to a major country. i mean, in every way, financially, economically, socially, historically, musically, any way you want to do it. this is an amazing exercise of virtue signaling. go ahead, rachel? yeah, well, it's virtue signaling, but we've been in that kind of logic going back years now. i mean, we side with the cobra crisis, not get back into all. but i mean,

we saw or dealing with respect to that. it was totally disconnected from scientific reality. we're seeing that now. people who probably can't even point pointing ukraine or russia on a map even though you could probably do a lot ends with a dark suddenly they've gone for being health expert online to being the best dresser ukraine relation and been paying attention to a that's been going on a lot of 20 years, i mean, i remember when i was living in toronto, canada back in around 20034. there was a toronto baby international, political consultants who approached me. james, political consulting work at the time. and he said, would you be interested in working on ukraine campaign? i said, why would anybody be interested in working on ukraine can be but all right, it was in the work already. there isn't an intent to try to write to come here. i

guess rearrange things or to, to move ukraine into the north american column. and that's already been underway for, for decades now. so i mean, this is not a new issue, but yet people have an opinion, a very strong opinion about even though to them it's just something that, that just happened like magic for no reason on february 24th. and yeah, so, so can culture is really, is really nothing new. i mean i had a independent show that was licensed to make friends. and for 6 years, i did that show and then suddenly from one day to the next, it's gone because the european union just unilaterally, without going through any regulatory body. that's right. in the individual members, please raise. hi rachel. i have to jump in here, way to get what we have to go to a short break in your absence, right? the due process of law seems to be disappearing. we're going to go to a short break that to that short break. we'll continue our discussion on europe's

fate state with our ah ah oh, when else so the wrong one, i'll just don't hold any you well. yes, to shape out disdain becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter a bell to remind you we're discussing the fate of europe.

ah, let's go back a drill in london, a. rachel brought up a very good point at the end of the 1st part of the program. so anyway, tell me, in rough terms here, what you're living in london. so what did people actually know about ukraine before february 24th, and what do they know about it? now go ahead. well, they know the same on, so they were knowing in 2014 or 2013, i have to, you know, you have to bear in mind that in 2014 i went to, i was sent by the house of laws to, to do the report and also in 2015, i published a report on the sanctions on russia, where we clearly stated in the report that the sanctioning of russia will backfire because sanctions are not a free meal. and also it will accelerate russia shifting towards global south all

towards east. it's already in 2015 already had a discussions with bricks countries and especially with china, where they sign a significant deal concerning gas and did this was perceived by research is contributing to the report are mentioning to a threat to the west, but no one has listened to that, although it was published by the center of for the policy studies and cape acts. it was this cause of the house of lords, but people were ridiculous that because people are still seeing russia through the west lenses. they perceive russia as a, a country and capable to stand on its own. and the very fact that russia see by, by the western, as, as, you know, standing on its own and, and as i broadly mentioned,

to somehow the west will be able to the couple russia from the world. it's only true western, particularly they, they see or perceive, well as the west. they don't see the world as india, south africa, brazil, and china. they don't comprehend the fact that russia has a lot of friends around the world, and the spence happened to be very powerful and emerging poets. while in europe we, the europe is a decadent country. we have a problem with a population. people in countries are depopulated, especially equally. we dependent heavily on russia and on the united states where the united states promise quite written the through jo biden's lips

that they will somehow sufis the gas limits or gust reduced by seizing transpose of got from russia. but people were paying close attention and who on the stand, the political economy of energy know that this is impossible, even because i really just said you will be unable to find another one of the piece for that. what we've seen here is seizing of yachts. i suppose that makes europe a safer place on these deals when without any kind of due process here. you know, i guess these are western standards that the world needs to really. i mean, europe was heavily hit by the love downs and approve the panoramic. and now true seizing and peers hearing, especially u. k. they're trying to make up the numbers so they are feeling well, i mean, but i mean, me go to brad here, let me go to brad here in prague. i mean, you know, all this virtue signaling, i mean, how does it actually help the average citizen of the a you,

i'm really mystified by this. i'm glad that with the locked downs were mentioned. i mean, we had a lot of economic dislocation. now we have even more here, and the people that spout off about of the most are the elite and they don't suffer at all from these things at all. okay. they're more disconnected from their, their citizens than ever before. go head bread. it's right. i think that, of course, the sanctions against russia are just going to compound all the inflationary pressures right now that are seeing the greatest assertion, inflation in 5060 years, that it's disproportionately hurting average people. and you hear so much from people like joe biden or other western leaders that oh well we have the courage we're willing, we're able to, to make this sacrifice. well, who are they talking about? you know, they're talking about themselves. are they talking about the billionaires, that funder campaigns? these people are completely insulated from all the economic damage that these things are bringing. average people will suffer. as i mentioned, with the example of natural gas here in europe. if they decide to unplug natural

gas in your will be absolutely devastating. people rents going to go up, utilities will go up. probably 2 or 3 times. i mean, it will be ridiculous in the idea that the american can substitute russian national liquefied natural gas is absurd. and the whole thing about globalization, it's about reducing, reducing friction. that is the barriers in people, services, and goods. and adding just this giant, essentially a john wall between russia and europe, which is an extra part of europe politically, economically. and then saying, okay, we're going to do more business with this country cards atlantic. this is, this is counter logical to the idea of globalization itself. and i just don't see that it can be done an impossible, globalized rachel, rachel, you live in paris? i mean, i'm sure the average per reason is, is just waiting with baited breath for refugees from ukraine to come or correct me if i'm wrong. i just heard today that apparently

spaces in daycares will be free of charge for ukrainian refugees. and suddenly, there is a lot of french people who are turned very right away as result of measures like that, that they can't understand when we're offering homes, as generous as it is for the state to do that, to refugees. when there are french people living in the street, it's hard to explain to french people why that is the case. and one thing that is really interesting that i'm noticing, i don't know anybody else is, has ascertained this as well. but there seems to be a narrative coming from the top down from elite within each country. they all seem to be seeing from the same hymn book on this issue. and that is that under the pretext of this conflict, it is necessary mandatory for the average citizen of europe and perhaps other western countries to pay the same,

but expect much less. yeah. and that goes to the energy issue. and i think, i don't like where this is going, i don't. what condition in chic switches increasingly left for the same price and who, when they do? well. rachel, rachel? i like to say to all of you, but it's all worth it because it's ukraine's democracy. i drill, does anybody in europe have a clue about what the state of democracy is in, in ukraine? i do. i've been watching it closely for years. there isn't much there, but we're told otherwise. go ahead in london. this is about, this is about the ideology. people don't, don't understand until this high prices will not hit them and they will not be able to, to pay for the artillery bills. they will not be able to afford the fancy attorney to fancy restaurants. and before that, they used to like, so obviously as rachel,

right. me said this is the tax being put on the average citizens of you know, for they are paying to start for ukraine. freedom really and truly this will have a massive shift within the societies in the west. the people who are generally speaking, the liberal progressive. they will turn radical and, and, and right. because these are the repercussions of the. busy liberal policies and some people are just, you know, fed up with the thing that the, so far as i've mentioned during the panoramic that you know livelihoods but significantly diminished. and now we are having this wall which could have been prevented in the 1st place if, if, if someone would really strike the deal with russia in good faith regarding the means agreements and, and telling the. busy busy which is now known to everyone. president unity

set him so they told him that ukraine will not be admitted to nato buck in the public. they will still, you know, push this and rated. there's a certain possibility of ukraine being admitted. so some is just clearly making a very big chunk out of a huge populations in the west, especially here in europe. so it will backfire, it will backfire? well, it is, it's back finding already, you know, written bread. and this all explains, this whole program explains the fact that why london and the u. s. is not pushing for some kind of negotiated end to this conflict. they actually want to keep it going on for all the reasons that all 3 of you have said on this program. go ahead brad. once right, i mean, 1st of all there's, there's internal mechanisms we know in place like the military industrial complex, the fact that most members of congress are invested in that the keep the, you know, the, with the war drums beating to keep it all going. and also benefits the united states politically because it creates more dependence on the united states for, you know, natural resources,

but also other economic things where russia could get cut out. but i also, i just want to say here that, you know, and what not, i guess we're, we're talking about about, you know, people coming in excepting refugees from ukraine with open arms. i give it here in the czech republic. i give it like 6 months. i get it 6 months between oh we love ukrainians. do that the some of the earth again because before the war, that's how they were treated here. they were treated as 2nd class citizens and that will happen again very soon. well, brad, you know, i'm, i'm glad someone else said it so i can say it now. i lived in poland for 10 years. the sentiment is pretty much the same there. okay. that, that, i'm sorry. okay. that's why this is all such a fiction. okay. rachel, are rapidly running out of time here. what comes next? i mean, how is anything the west helping ukraine? because i've said ever since the, the co in 2014, the more the west helps ukraine. the more the smaller ukraine gets. go ahead.

rachel? well, we'll see the color, it says people living in the west and granted there's a buffer on the atlantic ocean that prevents the air the ins and everybody over there, from ceiling detention like we are here in europe, but we'll see how hard it means. i have to germany, we're almost out of town and we're almost out of ha, he'll give me, give me 15 seconds. go ahead. jump in on, well, as rachel was saying, but i couldn't hear very well, but yes, i think that the people will not be tolerant. i mean the, and now we are seeing, you know, this enters the awesome because this is a new thing. you know, as same as my squaring and i recovered jobs, but all of a sudden a same as you've said about poland. i mean about poland. people will soon realize that this is unfair. and. busy once they're a lot of you know, the increase in payments for, for the utility bills and they, alex, life expectancy will,

will kick in. they will realize that they've been treated you unfairly because someone from the ukraine is being given something for free. and you are supposed to be paying for of them. okay, well, i have a 10 minute wait run out of time. but the law of unintended consequences is definitely in play here. many thanks. and i guess in london, paris in prague, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r t c. next time, remember casa, ah, ah, i look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order is a conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful

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