comes into the crane to fight russia. and as the international criminal court investigates, alleged war crimes by russia in ukraine, we investigate arguable parallels with u. k. u. s. u armed israeli military actions in the middle east. in another week of bombing of damascus with princeton's legendary un special repertoire and palestine, professor richard falk, all the more coming up and today's going underground at 1st all week as russia moved into your grain, the global un nuclear iaa organisation has been talking in vienna, amidst media reports of alleged u. s by a warfare labs and ukraine denied by the pentagon of alleged russian interference, a general killing at a maternity hospital denied by russia. and as usual, imagination, media, the dangers of a j. c. p. o, a deal with iran. let's go straight to vienna and speak to profess muhammad mirandi of to run university. thank you so much, professor miranda, coming back on the show before we even get to ukraine, presumably, euro glad that they apparently sanctioned,

i mean lifted on presenter raising on the on the president and the recognition of iran ally venezuela's president. my doro is the, i am changing attitudes towards iran, and you expect her, you expect now the deal to go through. thanks. taishan. iran is that all of these brutal sanctions are removed. they were never justified. there was never any evidence that iran was seeking a nuclear weapon. the intrusive sanctions that we've had in teheran, in iran for years have proven that. but the united states and its allies have always use any excuse available and agonized iran and to her ordinary ronnie and the united states accuses iran of terrorism. whereas the united states has surrounded iran with military bases, is killed,

senior iranian officials with israelis. it's assassinated. people and it has been helping terrorist groups in syria and iraq and elsewhere. so the real problem is not iran, which is in this neighborhood. it is the united states, which is a pressing iranian which is strangling iranians. and which is threatening iranians . thousands of kilometers a mile or miles away from its own border. so our hope is that the sanctions regime will and whether it's in iran or venezuela or cuba, or nicaragua, or yemen or syria or finest on all of these are on just a barbaric. yeah. right. obviously, the united states, it could be denies helping terrorism in russia is now more sanctioned than iran. we had john bolton on the show. people around the world can watch our interview on them, on youtube, except in europe, where to,

to see the former us about you. and of course, from national security advisor. you said yes. sanctions, or was he do work? because that's what brought iran back to the table to negotiate over its nuclear program. it's the sanctions on iran that is brought iran to the table that doesn't justify anything to brutalize a population. but that is not correct either. the iranians only accepted negotiations with the united states once they accepted iran's right to enrich uranium. that was the key was the united states that backed down. although obama was the 1st person to initiate the maximum pressure sanctions targeting women and children in killing innocent people. there's only one he saw that is a dead end that he had to accept the runs right. but i think that that era is coming to an end the united states when it has to come to iran and seek some

sort of solution with the country where it has to go to venezuela. when they confiscated or stolen venezuelan assets and they chose their own president for the country, but now they have to go and seek the venezuelan leadership for. ready negotiations and for oil that shows that the, the world is changing in the united states no longer is in the position that it had held before. and iran recognizes that in there for iran will be more assertive in defending it sovereignty than before, even though iran has always been very assertive in that regard and about giving that obviously denies ceiling that venezuela golden britain as things stand does not recognize nichol madura as the elected president of venezuela. but what way, hearing in a donation media suggests a separation between iran and russia as well as events

unfold it in, in ukraine because they say level level is leveraging washington and holy arguable vessel states. of course in europe and unnamed officials, being quoted in some mainstream media heritage foundation. the so called me to me that it's not constructive a change of tech by russia to vienna talks. well, i'm sure some people in iran, liberals will take what i say out of contacts. i'll try to be very careful. first of all, the regimes that imposed the sanctions on iran for the last decade, we're west or whether under obama or trump, or by it, it was the united states that strangled iran and those power, those global powers that resisted the sanctions. more than anyone else were china and russia, there is no doubt about that. and back then when the sanctions were 1st imposed,

china and russia were much weaker than they were today. their ability to resist was much smaller, and gradually they grew more powerful and they became more resistant. so we have to keep that in mind. in addition to that, when the russians say is actually cracked, the sanctions imposed on russia will impede the iran's trade relations. because western countries we know are not going to come to rod 10 best or to or to normalize trade. in the united states, of course, will never do that. so the only real options, aside from the global south, aside from neighboring countries and regional countries, are russia and china india as well and so on. and so if russia is prevented from normalizing trade with the run, the not impede implementation of the j, c, k, i. however, the iranians want the deal to be to come to the conclusion

and for all sides to accept it. so we are waiting to see what will happen ultimately for iran. what is important is that the injustice imposed upon the running people come to an end. have you been surprised at the global reaction to events in ukraine? obviously, europe did what washington wanted it to do, but as you mentioned, india not voting for the u. s. condemnation or even the flooring rushes moves into your grain, brazil's reaction pakistan's reaction you've been surprised or, or is this been a long time coming? the end of hedge a monic washing to bo, well let me 1st mention one point and that is that in 2003, when the americans wanted to invade iraq, we hated saddam hussein more than anyone else. use chemical weapons against us,

of course, with european and american support. they gave him that capability, that military intelligence and the political a cover and to get away with very huge chemical attacks, which i survived 2 of those attacks. and many people did it. but we were opposed to the war. i took part in the anti war protests in london. and the running government opposed to war because it was not legitimate. and even if the un security council had to prove that it would, it would not have been legitimate to iran. and therefore iran does not consider this war to be legitimate. when, when it opposes war against saddam on, it obviously will. ready support or will oppose a war against ukraine as well. but i think what we are seeing now is the rapid decline of nato and the united states and its power because the united

states has already been on the decline. we saw that over the last few years, the divisions in the united states economic crisis, the social and political crisis that we saw there. we see the decline in europe and the rise of alternative powers that are standing up against the old order a has never been more united actually. well they can, they can be as united as they want. but the point is that they are becoming increasingly weekend. and they're sanctions on russia will backfire because russia has the, the, the resources and the minerals and the oil and gas that they need. and the russians will sanction them, as well as the united states and the europeans are trying to cross russia in the ukraine. and the russians are trying to crush nato in ukraine that we can. so all

of these powers and the global south, the watch is, of course this, this war is going to create enormous problems for the world. i think you'll create starvation and parts of the world because of the rising price of grains and wheat. but in any case, i think that we are seeing a changing world, or we're seeing the end of the current world order. we're moving towards, i think, a multi polar world of disorder where you're going to have different goals, but i think it's going to, there's going to be a lot of disorder. and i think the times ahead are going to be very, very difficult for everyone. but we're going to see the decline of the united states more rapid than before. just on those weak prices. can we expect so called washington proxy governments in the global south to be stabilized by their populations who can't afford bread. remember the ab spring or what's the

awakening? a lot of it had to do with the price of bread and survival of ordinary people with things moving forward as they are across the global south. i think you're going to see major problems. and i think you may see many governments fall and you may see people die of starvation at summer. and i also think that you're going to see a huge decline in the portions of, of the already destroyed middle class across europe in the united states. and i don't think that it's going to end well for these countries, because under those circumstances, society is changed for the worse professor and the all stop you there. who from the renown scholar from the university of to run up to this break plus all that parallels between israel, palestine and russia. ukraine is israel joins one of the 41 countries that the u. n . who condemned russia's actions in ukraine. we investigate all of them all coming

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the of tapper on university, joins me from vienna. iranian media has been targeted in nato countries for many years. he gtm the chinese with news media. we see now russian media. what do you think of russian sauce is saying there may be a justification in international law by a warfare labs are indeed discovered in ukraine that mean that w m d, that old, that old phrase from iraq. as we know there was no w m. d in iraq. the w m. d was on russia's borders. therefore russia had to act. well, i hope you are able to show at some point the clip of the u. s. deputy secretary of state. when she was discussing this, it was obvious, she was extremely nervous. the body language was extraordinary. obviously something very sinister was happening. it's no, it's no ordinary bio law, but it was something in nope. and then they should not be concerned at all that the

russians would gain access to it. and, and i, it's a fact that the, this is, these are western kind of the same western countries they gave saddam hussein chemical weapons. if it was an ideal world that the western media, cheerleading, the war like what they, i mean, i would imagine from their narrative that this is what north bbc would be doing. what not that north korea would be something like that be today. and cnn, today, when you watch them, it's just, it's just disgusting. they just cheerleaders for war. but when the war on iraq was taking place, they weren't cheerleading the occupation, shock and awe wasn't a bad thing back then. when chemical weapons were being given to sit down to use against iranians and the city of chit, when one attack 600-650-5500 people were massacred. they were silent about it. so this just shows the pentagon denies, obviously bio warfare and those kinds of comparisons with the address is committed

by that atrocities committed by nature. as is seen as watch about to read. i just quickly, i need to go back to go to turkey where of course, there was this extraordinary meeting between foreign minister that didn't seem to be peace negotiations. what do you think about turkey's position given it's an a to a member in russia can switch off a test 400 system at a stroke. well, the turkish president is a person who is constantly shifting his position one day and he's against israel. the next day he's host this right of the president, one day he's friends with the syrian president and they go out with their families together. the next phase of assisting isis in al qaeda to destroy the country. and so the syrian government on but now basically what the turkish government has done is that they've destroyed their credibility across the globe. no one trusts about

whether it's ukraine or russia or nato, or even the israeli regime, or regional countries. just very briefly, i mean obviously we like to talk to your best join. i just got a very us review, ask you about syria because of the reports of his list. so previously to pull to the link to the jo government, what have you, what is that a, does your hearing about the bombing of damascus? one of the oldest inhabited cities of, of the world, just this week by u. k. u. s. a you nation is ready will plains when there's right a regime damascus. they are violating international law. but in the western media, it's fine when they're starving. yemen, a war which is far worse than ukraine, and thousands of british advisors are helping keep the saudi, our air force afloat. we don't hear that in the media. the cheerleaders on the bbc and cnn and elsewhere are silent about that. it's either the races, but when it comes to syria,

i think one of the interesting things is that 1st of all, these are not as far as just as the neo nazis and then not see this in europe or not christian. these are extremist groups that are used as tools by western powers, by the israelis, by add on, by nato, and by oil rich dest spots in the region that have been allies of the united states, just as in utah, ninety's are being used. and just as the contra rebels were being used against the broad ones, the americans and europeans use these extremist because it's like shocking off if i can iraq, the americans were proud of shocking on what was shocking on it was, it was to create fear, among ordinary iranians, it was to make iraq iraqis in all of the, of american might, which is utterly barbaric. that's, that's why they use extremists in syria. that's why they use extreme as in europe. that's why they use the extremist in the global south. obviously, washington brussels washington, brussels denies that professor, mom brandy. thank you. thank you for now,

while russia has continued bombing ukraine this week, and while the international criminal court investigates alleged war crimes, u. k, u. s. u armed israel also investigated for legible crimes is continued its bombing of damascus. according to syrian state media. joining me not from california is professor emeritus of international law at princeton university and the former un special repertoire on the situation of human rights in the palestinian territories, richard fork. professor falk welcome to going underground. you're a legend as far as un, special or up, which as go, we've had many, you in special ravages on, but you made you in special opportunity. what it is arguably is railey is then volunteering to join up with the legend, though, denied by them neo nazi affiliated, ukrainian army. i better stop by asking you as a special reporter on palestine. what the situation in russia, ukraine, is as regards parallels or the israel palestine,

or rather striking in the sense that the empathy and the al pouring of respond to the humanitarian crisis caused by the russian invasion of ukraine, has produced something absolutely different than they haven't been in victimization over a decade. and it can be explained by many in many ways. partly a renewal of the her idea logical her as the cold war is partly an expression of selective empathy for

christian white. then the syrian refugees during the syrian civil strife were welcomed with barbed wire. in europe, while they, ukraine in refugees are being welcomed with open arms. and one showed hostility, hospitality, long hidden in britain, limited control. see about that. but you could tear is secretary general of the you and very quick to declare russia violated the un trotter. i mean, what is he like? did he support your work with virginia tilly in your 2017 report? when you accuse israel of apartheid? i know amnesty international now it's uses israel of about a do, which israel denies what is that to get there is like,

what did you think of your report where i can get were to paris then are coming to the pressure exerted by the un, nikki haley in the security council thing goes out the report or condemnation. he was a new secretary general at that time. she threatened the un with funding consequences . if he failed to denounce the report in actuality, he only removed it from the website. he never actually repudiated the report, but it was kind of the weakness of the un that it can respect the political independence of its own action and is subject to the what i call the primacy of geo politics. although because

lima, lima calla, had to withdraw the report to and she, she left the organization at the, at the un. what does it feel like for you? i mean is 10 years since your un general assembly report defacto arguing for b, the s because of israeli violations of resolutions. susan rice, i mean she's now a. m g was then u. s embassy into the u. n. and now she's abiding official. she called your report irresponsible and acceptable, but she now supports a boycott of russia and you might have heard that we're here in whale in britain. chikavsky is being banned. m sopranos are being sacked in new york and conductors in milan. the prevail? double standard, the control of the international political and morrow,

this car by the us. and is a exaggerated group that has not been duplicated in other comparable situations like the iraq invasion of 2003. so there's every reason to, on the one hand, regret the humanitarian crisis that has been caused by a russian invasion. but at the same time, to point out that this is an illustrative of a geo political response. not a even the hand is legal and morrow respond. it was of course more to guys who knew who is honey drive here in london, who revealed to us what he said was the israeli nuclear weapons program. as,

as one of the most famous form a u. n special repertoire has how close do you think we are to nuclear confrontation? said a lab upset. it's always nature that raises the threat of obviously the gradient president has raised the need to perhaps rearm with nuclear weapons. and russian nuclear weapons have been put on high alert. i think there is a serious danger folk from the nuclear reactors in ukraine and could be hit with either accidentally or deliberately, either by turns or by direction military pressure. and then there's the danger of escalation. whenever there's a confrontation of this sort as code in the cuban missile crisis back in

19621 has to worry about, they mutually catastrophic consequences of escalating across the nuclear threshold. and i think it's one hope that the leaders on both sides have the prudent awareness of these risks well and relax, reporting while we both and, and all of us who are going underground so sympathize with all the victims of the current conflict. do you think that we may be entering a new world order where all the were all the so called unworthy victims? as chomsky and edward herb and talked about will that be recognised? there won't be any more iraq, afghanistan, emmans libyans, serious are too much to hope for realistic clay. i feel that the primacy of politics is such that

the permanent members of the security council who are given them to send an exemption from complying with the un shot, to prove the veto power will continue to pursue their strategic i my one of the things that a at the present time is whether the aftermath of the cold war gives rise to a 2nd cold war or, and the unit polarity that the us has claim. and the end of the cold war and pro crime, it's global security. have no border planetary. and that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season. the team and i will be

back soon with a brand new look. but until then you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your country. and remember, you can continue to watch all going undergoing episodes on odyssey and it all to you to come see very soon ah, so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very difficult time. time to sit down and talk more when i was showing wrong. when i just don't know, i mean you have to figure out the same because the applicant and engagement

equals the trail. when so many find themselves, will the barn we choose to look for common ground? ah philip, i never stole crane scott. i don't know who to support what kind of board missed the deal with, which would you'd put you on what their vehicle does was too late to 3rd up, up, up with pushy, or you can push it yourself a somebody see way we could do it for them by a

a not protest, wrapped in pakistan with tens of thousands taking to city streets around the country in support of the recently outed prime minister in bron khan who says, washington push for his removal because of his close ties with russia and china. joe biden is to hold talks with indian prime minister, not rendered mowdy as the u. s. escalates pressure for india to distance itself from moscow, and quote, downscale purchases of russian weaponry russia says keith is trying to pull as of nationalists out of the battle from r u, as the ukranian side loses control of the city are key here is from locals. who describe.