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about the effects of economic warfare. and how ukraine may permanently shake up world power politics as brittany, you and usa, poor arms and to ukraine, to fight russia. and as the international criminal court investigates, alleged war crimes by russia in ukraine, we investigate arguable parallels with u. k. u. s. u armed israeli military actions in the middle east. in another week of bombing of damascus with princeton's legendary un special repertoire and palestine. professor richard fork. all the same, all coming up and today's going underground at 1st all week as russia moved into your grain, the global un nuclear i. e, a organization has been talking in vienna amidst media reports of alleged us by a warfare labs and ukraine, denied by the pentagon. a village russian interference, a general killing at a maternity hospital denied by russia. and as usual in a donation media, the dangers of a j. c. p. o, a deal with iran. let's go straight to vienna and speak to profess mom and the of

to run university. thank you so much, professor brown. and if i'm coming back on the show before we even get to ukraine, presumably you're glad that the part of the sanction being lifted on president rising on the, on the president and the recognition of iran ally venezuela's president. my doro is the i a, a changing attitudes towards iran. and do you expect that you expect that the deal to go through the expectation in a, in iran is that all the is brutal sanctions are removed. they were never justified . there was never any evidence that iran was seeking a nuclear weapon. the intrusive sanctions that we've had in teheran, in iran for years have proven that by the united states and its allies have always use any excuse available, tend, agonize iran, and to hurt ordinary iranians. the united states accuses iran of

terrorism, whereas the united states has surrounded iran with military bases, is killed, senior iranian officials with israelis. it's assassinated people and it has been helping terrorist groups in syria and iraq and elsewhere. so the real problem is not iran, which is in this neighborhood, it is the united states, which is oppressing iranians, which is strangling iranians. and which is threatening iranians, thousands of kilometers a mile or miles away from its own border. so our hope is that the sanctions regime will and whether it's in iran or venezuela or cuba, or in nicaragua, or yemen, or syria or harness on all of these are unjust, barbaric. yeah, ralph is he's united states serve committee denies helping terrorism in russia is now more sanctioned than iran. we had john bolton on the show. people around the

welcome watch, our interview on them on youtube, except in europe, where it's on all disease. the vollmer u. s. i've asked of you and of course from a national security advisor. he said, yes, sanctions always. he do work because that's what brought iran back to the table to negotiate over it said nuclear program. it's the sanctions on iran that has brought iran to the table that doesn't justify anything to brutalize a population, but that is not correct either. the iranians only accepted negotiations with the united states once they accepted iran. right to enrich uranium. that was the key. so it was the united states that backed down, although obama was the 1st person to initiate the maximum pressure sanctions targeting women and children in killing innocent people is only when he saw that you is a dead end that he had to accept the runs right. but i think that that

era is coming to an end the united states when it has to come to iran and see some sort of solution with the country where it has to go to venezuela. when they confiscated or stolen venezuelan assets and they chose their own president for the country, but now they have to go and seek the venezuelan leadership for. ready negotiations and for oil that shows that the world is changing in the united states no longer is in the position that it had held before. and iran recognizes that. and therefore iran will be more assertive in a defending it sovereignty than before. even though iran has always been very assertive in that regards and about giving the obviously denies feeling that venezuela golden britain as things stand, does not recognize nicholas madura as the elected president of venezuela. but what

way, hearing in a donation media suggests a separation between iran and russia, as well as events unfold it in, in ukraine because they say that a level level of is leveraging washington and all the arguable vessel states. of course in europe and unnamed officials, being quoted in some mainstream media heritage foundation circle made to me that it's not constructive a change of tech by russia at the vienna talks. well, i'm sure some people in iran, liberals will take what i say out of context. i'll try to be very careful. first of all, the regimes that imposed the sanctions on iran for the last decade, we're west or whether under obama or trump, or bite. and it was the united states that strangled the wrong, and those powers,

those global powers that resisted the sanctions. more than anyone else were china and russia, there is no doubt about that. and back then when the sanctions were 1st imposed, china and russia were much weaker than they were today. their ability to resist was much smaller, and gradually they grew more powerful and they became more resistant. so we have to keep that in mind. in addition to that, when the russians say is actually cracked, the sanctions imposed on russia will impede iran's trade relations. because western countries we know are not going to come to rod 10 best or to or to normalize trade in the united states, of course will never do that. so the only real options, aside from the global south, aside from neighboring countries in regional countries, are russia and china india as well, and so on. and so if russia is prevented from normalizing trade with the run that

not impede implementation of the j. c, k, i, however, the iranians want the deal to be to come to the conclusion and for all size to accept it. so we are waiting to see what will happen ultimately for iran. what is important is that the injustice that is imposed upon the running people come to an end. have you been surprised at the global reaction to events in ukraine? obviously europe did what washington wanted it to do. but as you mentioned, india not voting for the u. s, condemnation, or even deploring rushes, moves into your grain, brazil's reaction pakistan's reaction. you've been surprised, or, or is this been a long time coming, the end of hedge a monic washing to bo? well, let me 1st mention one point and that is that in 2003,

when the americans wanted to invade iraq, we hated saddam hussein more than anyone else. use chemical weapons against us. of course, with european and american support. they gave him that capability that military intelligence and political cover and to get away with very huge chemical attacks, which i survived 2 of those attacks. and many people didn't but we were opposed to the war. i took part in the anti war protests in london. and the running government opposed the war because it was not legitimate. and even if the un security council had to prove that it would, it would not have been legitimate to run. and therefore, iran does not consider this war to be legitimate. when, when it opposes war against saddam on it obviously will. ready support will oppose a war against ukraine as well. but i think what we are seeing now is

the rapid decline of nato and the united states and its power because the united states has already been on the decline. we saw that over the last few years, the divisions in the united states economic crisis, the social and political crisis that we saw there. we see the decline in europe and the rise of alternative powers that are standing up against the old order. and then they do has never been more united actually, well they can, they can be as united as they want. but the point is that they are becoming increasingly weekend. and their sanctions on russia will backfire because russia has the, the, the resources and the minerals and the oil and gas that they need. and the russians

will sanction them as well. and as the united states and the europeans are trying to crush russia in the ukraine, and the russians are trying to crush nato in ukraine, that we can. so all of these powers and the global south. so the watch is, of course, this, this war is going to create enormous problems for the world. i think you'll create starvation and parts of the world because of the rising price of grains and wheat. but in any case, i think that we are seeing a changing world, or we're seeing the end of the current world order. we're moving towards, i think, a multi polar world of disorder where you're going to have different goals. but i think it's going to, there's going to be a lot of disorder. and i think the times ahead are going to be very, very difficult for everyone. but we're going to see the decline of the united states more rapid than before. just on those weak prices can we expect so called

washington proxy governments in the global south to be stabilized by their populations who can't afford bread. remember the abs spring or what awakening a lot of it had to do with the price of bread and survival of ordinary people with, with things moving forward as they are across the global south. i think you're going to see major problems. and i think you may see many governments fall and you may see people die of starvation. and i also think that you're going to see a huge decline in the portions of, of already destroyed middle class across europe in the united states. and i don't think that is going to end well for these countries, because under those circumstances, societies change for the worse provide them or the all stuff you that who from the word i'm calling from the university of to run up to this break plus all that

parallels between israel, palestine and russia. ukraine is israel joins one of the 41 countries that the un who condemn dresses, actions in ukraine. we investigate all this more. can we help about 2 of going on in what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offense. very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time, time to sit down and talk more when i was showing wrong, when i just don't

a to see how this thing becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail when so many find themselves world support we choose to look so common ground. ah, welcome back. i'm still with the renown professor mohammed mirandi of tavern universe . you joins me from vienna. iranian the media has been targeted in nato countries for many years. he gtm the chinese news media, obviously. now russian media. what do you think of m? a russian source is saying, there may be a justification in international law of by a warfare labs are indeed discovered in ukraine. that mean that w m d, that old, that old phrase from iraq. as we know there was no w m. d in iraq. the w m. d was on russia's borders. therefore russia to act. well,

i hope you are able to show at some point the clip of the u. s. deputy secretary of state. when she was discussing this, it was obvious, she was extremely nervous. the body language was extraordinary. obviously something very sinister was happening. it's now it's no ordinary bio lab, but it was something in nope. and then they should not be concerned at all that the russians would gain access to it. and, and i, it's a fact that the, this is, these are western kind of the same western countries they gave saddam hussein chemical weapons. if it was an ideal world that the western media, cheerleading, the war, like what they, i mean, i would imagine from their narratives that this is what norm could be, would be doing what not that north korea would be something like that be today. and cnn today, when you watch them, it's just,

it's just disgusting. they just cheerleaders for war. but when the war on iraq was taking place, they weren't cheerleading the occupation shock. and i wasn't a bad thing back then. when chemical weapons were being given to sit down to use against iranians and the city of hot shit, where and one attack, 600-650-5500 people were massacred. they were silent about it. so this is jose. the pentagon denies obviously bio warfare and those kind of comparisons with the draw cities committed by alleged atrocities committed by nature, as is seen as watch about to read. i just quickly, i need to go back to go to turkey. where, of course, there was this extraordinary meeting between foreign minister that didn't seem to be peace negotiations. what do you think about turkey's position given it's an a to a member in russia and switch off a test 400 system, a stroke? well, the turkish president is a person who is constantly shifting his position one day and he's against israel.

the next day he's host in this rate of the president, one day he's friends with the syrian president and they go out with their families together. the next phase of assisting isis and al qaeda to destroy the country. and so the syrian government on but now basically what the turkish government has done is that they've destroyed their credibility across the globe. no one trust present either one, whether it's ukraine or russia or nato, or even the israeli regime, or regional countries. just very briefly. i mean, obviously we'd like to talk to your best join. i just got a very us review, ask you about syria because of the reports of his list. so previously to pull to the link to the jo government. what have you, what is that a does your hearing about the bombing of damascus? one of the oldest inhabited cities of, of the world, just this week by u. k. u. s. a you nation is ready warplanes, when there's right, the regime bombs,

them asked us. they are violating international law. but in the western media, it's fine when they're starving. yemen, a war which is far worse than ukraine, and thousands of british advisors are helping keep the saudi are. we are forced to float. we don't hear that in the media. the cheerleaders on the bbc and cnn and elsewhere are silent about it either the races. but when it comes to syria, i think one of the interesting things is that 1st of all, these are not as thomas just as the neo nazis and then not see this in europe or not christian. these are extremist groups that are used as tools by western powers, by the israelis, by add on, by nato, and by oil rich dest spots in the region that have been allies of the united states, just as the new top nineties are being used. and just as the contra rebels were being used against the broad ones, the americans in the europeans use these extremist because it's like shocking off

if i can. iraq, americans were proud of shocking on what was shocking on it was, it was to create fear, among ordinary iranians. it was to make iraq iraqis in all of the, of american might, which is utterly barbaric. that's, that's why they use extremist, sincere. that's why they use extreme as in europe. that's why they use the extremist in the global south. obviously, washington brussels washington, brussels denies that professor, mom brandy. thank you. thank you. now, while russia has continued bombing ukraine this week, and while the international criminal court investigates alleged war crimes, u. k, u. s. u armed israel also investigated for legible crimes is continued its bombing of damascus. according to syrian state media. joining me not from california is professor emeritus of international law at princeton university and the former un special up to our own, the situation of human rights in the palestinian territories, richard fork. professor falk welcome to going underground. you're

a legend. as far as un special were up, which is go, we've had many you in special ravages on, but you made you in special or up with what it is arguably is re lease, then volunteering to join up with the legend though, denied by them neo nazi affiliated ukrainian army, i better stop by asking you as a special or a border on palestine. what the situation in russia ukraine is as regards parallels are the israel palestine are, are right in the sense that the empathy and the i'll call ring respond to the humanitarian crisis. caused by the russian invasion of ukraine has produced something absolutely different

than they haven't been in victimization over a decade. and it can be explained by many in many ways, partly a renewal of the, her ideological her as been called war. it is partly an expression of empathy for christian white. they the syrian refugees during the syrian civil strife. were welcomed with barbed wire. in europe, while they, ukraine in refugees are being welcomed with open arms. and one shows hostility, hospitality,

long hidden in britain, limited control. see about that, but you could tear is secretary general of the you and very quick to declare russia violated the us job. i mean, what is he like? did he support your work with virginia tilly and your 2017 report? when you accuse israel of apartheid? i know amnesty international now accuses israel of about a do, which israel denies what is that to get there is like, what did he think of your report? where i've been here with parents then are coming to the pressure exerted by the us. and nikki haley in the security council thing goes out the report or condemnation. he was a new secretary general at the time. she threatened the un with funding consequences. if he failed to denounce the report in

actuality, he only removed it from the website. he never actually repudiated the report, but it was kind of the weakness of the un that it can respect the political independence of its own action and is subject to the what i call the primacy of jail holiday. although because lima, lima calla, had to withdraw the report too. and she, she left the organization at the, at the un. what does it feel like for you? i mean, it's 10 years since your un general assembly reports a defacto arguing for b, the s because of israeli violations of resolutions. susan rice, i mean she's now a. m g was then us ambassador to the un, and now she's a, by the official. she called your report irresponsible and acceptable. but she now

supports a boy god of russia. and you might have heard that we're here in whale in britain. chikavsky is being banned. m sopranos are being sacked in a new york and conductors in milan. need a standard the control of the international politic curren tomorrow, this car by the us. and is a exaggerated group that has not been duplicated in other comparable situations like the iraq invasion of 2003. so there's every reason to, on the one hand, regret the humanitarian crisis that has been caused by a russian invasion. but at the same time,

to point out that this is an illustrative of a geo political response, not a even the hand is legal and morrow response was of course bought a guy who knew who is honey drive here in london, who revealed to us what he said was the israeli nuclear weapons program as, as one of the most famous former un special rubber 2 has how close do you think we are to nuclear confrontation? so a lab said it's always nature that raises the threat of obviously the ukrainian president has raised the need to perhaps react with nuclear weapons. and russian nuclear weapons have been put on high alert. i think there is a serious danger folk from the nuclear reactors in ukraine and could be hit with either

accidentally or deliberately either by turns or by direction military press guns. and then there's the danger of escalation. whenever there is a confrontation of this sort as occurred in the cuban missile crisis, back in 19621 has to worry about mutually catastrophic consequences of escalating across the nuclear crash out. and i think it's one hope that the leader is on both side, have the prudent awareness of these risks well and relax reporting well we both and, and all of us here going underground. so i sympathize with all the victims of the

current conflict. do you think that we may be entering a new world order where all the we're all the circled unworthy victims. as chomsky and edward herb and talked about will be recognized. there won't be any more. iraq's have chemistry emmans libyans libby is serious too much to hope for a realistic clay. i feel that the primacy of politics is such that the permanent members of the security council who are given them to send an exemption from complying with the un shot either through the veto power will continue to pursue their strategic now, one of the things that they at the present time is whether the aftermath

of the cold war gives rise to a 2nd cold war or, and the unit polarity that the u. s. has claimed, in the end of the cold war and proclaim it global security has no border planetary in skulk. that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season, the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your country. and remember, you can continue to watch, will going undergoing episodes on auto see. and it auto come see very soon with tonight is for your book because it's even more than o'clock. mm

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