a brand new look, despite nature nation and he, you censorship. but until then we'll be showing some of your favorite shows of the season so far coming over this show has russia becomes the most sanctioned country in the world, overtaking iran. we asked around universities. professor mom had mirandi about the effects of economic warfare and how ukraine may permanently shake up world power politics as brittany, you and usa, poor arms and to ukraine to fight russia. and as the international criminal court investigates, alleged war crimes by russia in ukraine, we investigate arguable parallels with u. k. u. s. u armed israeli military actions in the middle east. in another week of bombing of damascus with princeton's legendary un special repertoire and palestine. professor richard fork, all of them all coming up and today's going underground at 1st all week as russia moved into your grain, the global you and nuclear i. e organisation has been talking in vienna amidst media reports of alleged us by a warfare labs in ukraine, denied by the pentagon,

a village russian interference, a general killing at a maternity hospital denied by russia. and as usual in a donation media, the dangers of a j. c. p. o, a deal with iran. let's go straight to vienna and speak to profess mama mirandi of to ron university. thank you so much, professor mirandi for coming back on the show before we even get to ukraine, presumably, euro glad that they are a party sanctions. i mean lifted on president sir racy on the, on the president. and the recognition of iran ally venezuela's president. my doro is the, i am changing attitudes towards iran. and do you expect her, you expect now the deal to go through? thanks vacation and is it in iran? is it all of these brutal sanctions are removed? they were never justified. there was never any evidence that iran was seeking a nuclear weapon. the intrusive sanctions that we've had in teheran,

in iran for years have proven that. but the united states and its allies have always use any excuse available to agonize iran. and to hurt ordinary iranians. the united states accuses iran of terrorism. whereas the united states has surrounded iran with military bases, is killed, senior iranian officials with israelis. it's assassinated people. and it has been helping terrorist groups in syria and iraq and elsewhere. so the real problem is not iran, which is in this neighborhood, it is the united states, which is a pressing iranian which is strangling iranians. and which is threatening iranians . thousands of kilometers a mile or miles away from its own border. so our hope is that the sanctions regime will and whether it's in iran or venezuela or cuba, or nicaragua, or yemen,

or syria or harness on all of these are on just a barbaric. yeah, obviously the united states could be denies helping terrorism in russia is now more sanctioned than iran. we had john bolton on the show. people around the world can watch our interview on them, on youtube, except in europe, where it's on or to see the home or a u. s. a best of you. and of course with national security advisor. you said yes, sanctions overseas do work because that's what brought iran back to the table to negotiate over it's a nuclear program. it's the sanctions on iran that has brought a run to the table that doesn't justify anything to brutalize a population, but that is not correct. either the iranians, only accepted negotiations with the united states once they accepted iran's right to enrich uranium. that was the key. so it was the united states that backed down,

although obama was the 1st person to initiate the maximum pressure sanctions targeting women and children in killing innocent people is only when he saw that you is a dead end that he had to accept the runs right. but i think that that era is coming to an end the united states when it has to come to iran and see some sort of solution with the country where it has to go to venezuela. when they confiscated or stolen venezuelan assets and they chose their own president for the country. but now they have to go and seek the venezuelan leadership for negotiations. and for oil that shows that the, the world is changing in the united states no longer is in the position that it had held before. and iran recognizes that in there for iran will be more assertive in defending it sovereignty than before,

even though iran has always been very assertive in that regard and about giving that obviously denies ceiling that venezuela golden britain as things stand, does not recognize michael madura as the elected president of venezuela. but what way, hearing in a donation media suggests a separation between iran and russia as well as events unfold it in, in ukraine because they say level level is leveraging washington and holy arguable vessel states. of course in europe and unnamed officials, being quoted in some mainstream media heritage foundation, a so called me to me that it's not constructive a change of tech by russia. the viola talks, well, i'm sure some people in iran, liberals will take what i say out of context. i'll try to be very careful. first of

all, the regimes that imposed the sanctions on iran for the last decade, we're west or whether under obama or trump or bite. and it was the united states that strangled iran, and those power was those global powers that resisted the sanctions. more than anyone else were china and russia, there is no doubt about that. and back then when the sanctions were 1st imposed, china and russia were much weaker than they were today. their ability to resist was much smaller, and gradually they grew more powerful and they became more resistant. so we have to keep that in mind. in addition to that, when the russians say is actually cracked, the sanctions imposed on russia will impede the iran's trade relations. because western countries we know are not going to come to rod 10 baths or to or to normalize trade. in the united states, of course, will never do that. so the only real options, aside from the global south,

aside from neighboring countries in regional countries, are russia and china india as well, and so on. and so if russia is prevented from normalizing trade with the run that not impede implementation of the j, c, p, i. however, the iranians want the deal to be to come to the conclusion and for all sides to accept it. so we are waiting to see what will happen ultimately for iran. what is important is that the injustice imposed upon the running people come to an end. have you been surprised at the global reaction to events in ukraine? obviously, europe did what washington wanted it to do, but as you mentioned, india not voting for the u. s. condemnation or even the flooring

rushes moves into your grain, brazil's reaction pakistan's reaction you've been surprised or, or is this been a long time coming? the end of hedge a monic washing to bo, well let me 1st mention one point and that is that in 2003, when the americans wanted to invade iraq, we hated saddam hussein more than anyone else. use chemical weapons against us, of course, with european american support. they gave him that capability, that military intelligence and the political a cover and to get away with very huge chemical attacks, which i survived 2 of those attacks. and many people didn't. but we were opposed to the war. i took part in the anti war protests in london. and the running government opposed the war because it was not legitimate. and even if the un security council had to prove that it would, it would not have been legitimate to run. and therefore,

iran does not consider this war to be legitimate. when, when it opposes war against saddam on, it obviously will support will oppose a war against ukraine as well. but i think what we are seeing now is the rapid decline of nato and the united states and its power because the united states has already been on the decline. we saw that over the last few years, the divisions in the united states economic crisis, the social and political crisis that we saw there. we see the decline in europe and the rise of alternative powers that are standing up against the old order a has never been more united actually. well they can, they can be as united as they want. but the point is that they are becoming increasingly weekend. and their sanctions on russia will backfire because russia

has the, the resources and the minerals and the oil and gas that they need. and the russians will sanction them as well. and as the united states and the europeans are trying to cross russia in the ukraine, and the russians are trying to crush nato in ukraine, that we can. so all of these powers and the global south, the watch is of course this, this war is going to create enormous problems for the world. i think you'll create starvation and parts of the world because of the rising ice of grains and wheat. but in any case, i think that we are seeing a changing world, or we're seeing the end of the current world order. we're moving towards, i think, a multi polar world of disorder where you're going to have different goals. but i think it's going to, there's going to be

a lot of disorder. and i think the times ahead are going to be very, very difficult for everyone. but we're going to see the decline of the united states more rapid than before. just on those weak prices, can we expect so called washington proxy governments in the global south to be stabilized by their populations who come to food bread. remember the ab spring or what's the awakening? a lot of it had to do with the price of bread and survival of ordinary people with things moving forward as they are across the global south. i think you're going to see major problems. and i think you may see many governments fall and you may see people die of starvation. and i also think that you're going to see a huge decline in the portions of the already destroyed middle class across europe in the united states. and i don't think that is going to end

well for these countries because under those circumstances, society is changed for the worst professor and the all stuff you that who from the rounds calling from the university of to run after this break plus all that parallels between israel palestine in russia, ukraine is israel joins one of the $41.00 countries that the u. n. who condemned russia's actions in ukraine. we investigate all of them all coming up about 2 of going underground. ah, look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders a conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at that point obviously is too great truck rather than fear an area with artificial intelligence. real,

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ah, welcome back. i'm still with the renown professor, mom and brandy of tapper on universe. you joins me from vienna. iranian the media has been targeted in nato countries for many years. he gtm the chinese with news media, obviously. now, russian media. what do you think of em? russian sauce is saying there may be a justification in international law or if by a warfare labs are indeed discovered in ukraine that mean that w. m. d, that old, that old phrase from iraq. as we know there was no w m d in iraq. the w m d was on russia's borders, therefore, russia to act. well, i hope you are able to show at some point the clip of the u. s. deputy secretary of state. when she was discussing this, it was obvious, she was extremely nervous. the body language was extraordinary, obviously something very sinister was happening. it's now it's no ordinary biology,

but it was something in nope. and then they should not be concerned at all that the russians would gain access to it. and, and i, it's a fact that the, this is, these are western kind of the same western countries they gave saddam hussein, chemical weapons. if it was an ideal world that the western media, cheerleading, the war like what they, i mean, i would imagine from their narratives that this is what norm could be, would be doing what not that north korea would be something like that be today. and cnn, today, when you watch them, it's just, it's just disgusting. they just cheerleaders for war. but when the war on iraq was taking place, they weren't cheerleading the occupation, shock and awe wasn't a bad thing back then. when chemical weapons were being given to sit down to use against iranians and the city of how latch it when one attack, 600-650-5500 people were massacred. they were silent about

this jose, the pentagon denies, obviously bio warfare and those kinds of comparisons with the address it is committed by alleged atrocities committed by nature, as is seen as watch about to read. i just quickly, i need to go back to go to turkey. where, of course, there was this extraordinary meeting between foreign minister that didn't seem to be peace negotiations. what do you think about turkey's position given it's an a to a member in russia can switch off a test 400 system at a stroke? well, the turkish president is a person who is constantly shifting his position one day and he's against israel. the next day he's host in this rate of the president, one day he's friends with the syrian president and they go out with their families together. the next phase of assisting isis in al qaeda to destroy the country. and so the syrian government on but now basically what the turkish government has done is that they've destroyed their credibility across the globe. no one trusts as an

add on whether it's ukraine or russia, or nato, or even the israeli regime, or regional countries. just very briefly. i mean, obviously we like to talk to your best join. i just got a very us review, ask you about syria because of the reports of his we missed so previously to pull to the link to the jo government. what have you, what is that a does your hearing about the bombing of damascus? one of the oldest inhabited cities of, of the world, just this week by u. k. u. s. a you nation is ready warplanes. when there's right regime moms, damascus, they are violating international law. but in the western media, it's fine when they're starving yemen, a war which is far worse than ukraine, and thousands of british advisors are helping keep the saudi or air force afloat. we don't hear that in the media. these cheerleaders on the bbc and cnn and elsewhere are silent about that. it's either the races, but when it comes to syria,

i think one of the interesting things is that 1st of all, these are not as far as just as the neo nazis and then not see this in europe or not christian. these are extremist groups that are used as tools by western powers, by the israelis, by add on, by nato, and by oil rich dest spots in the region that have been allies at the united states, just as in utah, ninety's are being used. and just as the contra rebels were being used against the broad ones, the americans and europeans use these extremist because it's like shocking off if i can iraq, the americans were proud of shocking on what was shocking on it was, it was to create fear, among ordinary iranians, it was to make iraq iraqis in all of the, of american might, which is utterly barbaric. that's, that's why they use extremists in syria. that's why they use extreme as in europe. that's why they use their extremists in the global south. obviously,

washington brussels washington, brussels denies that professor moment. brandy. thank you. thank you for now, while russia has continued bombing ukraine this week, and while the international criminal court investigates alleged war crimes, u. k, u. s. e and israel also investigated for legible crimes is continued its bombing of damascus. according to syrian state media. joining me not from california is professor emeritus of international law at princeton university and the former un special repertoire on the situation of human rights in the palestinian territories . richard fork. professor falk welcome to going underground. you're a legend. as far as you in special are up, which as go we've had many you in special, robert is on that you made you in special opportunity. what it is arguably is re lease, then volunteering to join up with the legend, though, denied by them neo nazi affiliated, ukrainian ami. i better stop by asking you as a special repertoire on palestine. what the situation in russia, ukraine,

is as regards parallels or the israel palestine. or rather i, in the sense that the empathy and the i'll call ring of respond to the humanitarian crisis caused by the russian invasion of ukraine. has produced something absolutely different than they haven't been in victimization over a decade. and it can be explained by many in many ways partly a renewal her idea logical her as the cold war

is partly an expression of empathy for christian white. they've become the syrian refugees during the syrian civil strife. were welcomed with barbed wire in europe while they ukraine in refugees are being welcomed with open arms. and one shows hostility, hospitality looms hidden in britain, liberty control to see about that. but until you get here is secretary general of the you and very quick to declare russia violated the un job to, i mean, what is he like? did he support your work with virginia tilly and your 2017 report when you accuse israel of apartheid?

i know amnesty international now accuses israel of about a do, which israel denies. what is antonio? there is like, what did he think of your report where i couldn't get were to paris, then are coming to the pressure exerted by the us. nikki haley in the security council thing goes out the report or condemnation. he was a new secretary general at that time. she threatened the un with funding consequences if he failed to denounce the report in actuality, he only removed it from the website. he never actually repudiated the report, but it was kind of the weakness of the un that it can respect the political independence of its own action

and is subject to the what i call the primacy of geo politics. although because lima, lima calla, had to withdraw the report do. and she, she left the organization at the, at the un. what does it feel like for you? i mean is 10 years since your un general assembly report defacto arguing for b, the s because of israeli violations of resolutions. susan rice, i mean she's now a. m g was then us ambassador to the un have now she's about an official. she called your report irresponsible and acceptable, but she now supports a boycott of russia and you might have heard that we're here in whale in britain. chikavsky is being banned. m sopranos are being sacked in new york and conductors in milan. the prevail? double standard, the control of the international,

political and moral discourse by the us. and that is a exaggerated group that has not been duplicated in other comparable situations like the iraq invasion of 2003. so there's every reason to, on the one hand, regret the humanitarian crisis that has been caused by a russian invasion. but at the same time, to point out that this is an illustrative of a geo political response. not a even the hand is legal and morrow respond. it was of course more to guys who knew who is honey drive here in london, who revealed to us what he said was the israeli nuclear weapons program. as,

as one of the most famous former un special robert, who has how close do you think we are to nuclear confrontation? so gay lab said it's always nature that raises the threat of obviously the ukrainian president has raised the need to perhaps rearm with nuclear weapons. and russian nuclear weapons are being put on high alert. i think there is a serious danger broke from the nuclear reactors in ukraine and could be hit with either accidentally or deliberately, either by tears or by the russian military press. and then there's the danger of escalation. whenever there's a confrontation of this sort as occurred in the cuban missile crisis,

back in 19621 has to worry about, they mutually catastrophic consequences of escalating across the nuclear threshold. and i think it's one hope that the leaders on both sides have the prudent awareness of these risks. well, i'm lacked reporting while we both and, and all of us who are going underground. so i sympathize with all the victims of the current conflict. do you think that we may be entering a new world order? we're all the we're all the so called unworthy victims. as chomsky and edward herb and talked about will that be recognised, there won't be any more iraq, afghanistan, emmans libyans, serious are too much to hope for realistically. i

feel that the primacy of politics is such that the permanent members of the security council who are given them to send an exemption from complying with the un shot, to prove that veto power will continue to pursue their strategic. i think one of the things that they at the present time is whether the aftermath of the cold war gives rise to a 2nd cold war or, and the unit polarity that the u. s. has claimed and the end of the cold war and pro crime it's global security has no border planetary. and that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season. the

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