intelligence agencies, i've been deliberately laundering, foaming, stories about to warn you, crane through the media. those of us who have watch carefully the conflict suspected this all along. when you're losing an argument or a war, the 1st line of defense is to lie. ah. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guess just you brower in bristol, she's the deputy leader of the workers party of britain as well as author of the drive to war against russia in china. and in budapest we have george samuel. he is a podcast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. all right, cross up rules that affect, that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate it or i, let's start out with georgia in budapest. well, george may be the kind of an evolution of the information more is that the intelligence agencies are telling us they're lying. i mean, you and i and jumping,

we always say that they are lying, but now they've come out, you know, they're ahead of the, the shark here saying that, you know, we're doing this information thing here. and the, the media is so proud to be part of this just information program. it's really quite amazing because they're lying to us to protect us, george. and of course, ukrainian people go ahead. yes. as us right. it is quite an extraordinary thing that we have the intelligence services are openly boasting that they are telling lies the media a quite happy to be transmitting. these lies and you know, the boasting about this with them. but the fact is that if by admitting this, then they're essentially undermining any reason why we should take any of the claims that are making today so seriously. and so george is, is it's kind of like, you know, i'm lying to you. that's the truth. that's the best, right?

so all the stories that the media now regaling us with russia is losing the wall. russian forces are absolutely demoralized their artillery, their food supply, that oil supply, all of it is going to run out very shortly. it isn't listening to any of his advisors, all of the stories that you've read in the new york times, the washington post and the guardian. but why, why should we believe any of them? but it is true, this whole of ukraine paper has been a gigantic sustain for propaganda campaign. and this is what the west has actually been waging in all of this time. so you know, they, they, they declare total economic war against russia. but also the klan total propaganda war against russia. a complete, a demonize ation completes a hysterical campaign of historical hatred against russia like that which were

never seen. we never saw anything like this during the cold war. and the media has been very happy participants in all those shows in what i think is quite remarkable . looking at western coverage of the conflict in ukraine is that you don't see much coverage of the conflict in your grade. it's really quite remarkable. and none of us are military experts, though. i know. so myself personally here, when you see a tank, you know, i mean for the, for the 4 of us, i mean, is it a russian tanker, ukrainian tank. it's pretty hard for us to tell. and most of the footage i've seen, i've been told that the ukrainian tank ok, but i'm not going to take sides of that because i'm not an expert on it. but i do think and looking at media behavior in lead behavior, when things start going south going the wrong way, there's, there's this need your reaction. let's lie and not only lie about it, lie about it big time, go ahead. lutely. and this is of course not new behavior. you know,

we seen it. i remember very, particularly the shock that i felt at the time of the libya will when the baby see showed what it claim to be a live feed from green square in tripoli. where, where there was a huge, surprising, it said going on. and i showed really what seemed like live footage. and they're assuming, obviously their audience knows nothing because the footage was indians in india. and anyone who knows anything could have seen that. but they basically claim this was a live feed from libya, which it clearly wasn't to anyone who knows. and i think they never backed and that they never apologized. they don't, they just don't like to lie. now, you know, george was saying, you know, they go out, they go, ok, yes, well, i will answer your benefits. you know, what they do with these lies. even when they caught out, they sort of have to double down. and they say yes, but we're doing it in a good cause, and they can get away with saying, we're doing it in a good cause because the entire media and political establishment has disappeared.

all of the context that makes sense. so they've built this story that says, russian aggression came from nowhere. plasma putins mad. i mean, you have psychology journals in this country, running articles about the state of mind of vladimir putin life. this is going to help us understand. this is the context they give you for the war. what they don't give you is 30 years of impact. 75 years of nights i meddling in ukraine of funding nazis against 1st the soviet union. and then against russia, of looting, of controlling, of the, posing governments. they don't like all that context. they disappear and then when the quotes in their lives, they say, well yes, that is for a good cause because russian aggression is crazy and we've got to stop it. it's right. you know, georgia, b, one of the things the n b c news report mentioned is that the intelligence community is trying to get into hooton's, which i'm not really sure as to me. and why would and intelligence russian military

give a hoot about when western intelligence agencies are telling western publics about this conflict? i don't understand why that would. they would waste one breath on that. go ahead. that's right, and it's a very peculiar because now they are lying, and therefore the russians know that they are lying. so why will the russians be in any way move by things of the russians are obviously lies. and in fact, the rush of the ban, conclude the opposite, which is that the case is pretty thin. that's why they have to lie them. and they're not able to boast of any actual accomplishment. so they have to live up there. but it's very interesting that the, what we have through these lies is what is actually being suppressed. i mean, let's imagine all the stories about the bio labs. well, what happened to that? i mean that was, that was the, that was very sissy really, you know,

to just this information campaign. but nonetheless, that is a very big story for which basically of the united states was unable to provide a explanation of all the jones. you pointed out everything that preceded the rush of the russian, launching the special operations of everybody for everything that preceded before the 8 years of nato training and imbedding it. so when you are great, bass, just vanish. and so, no, it isn't really surprising that what happens to west respond well, they essentially outlaw any dissenting voices. and so far it's just been a no one to see them. but that's, it's not going to stop it. i mean, it will be, you know, it's just a matter of time before they start closing it all down,

all of the twitter accounts. so anyone who is presenting an alternative view of great, so this is such a gigantic dis, information campaign of that the west is waging. and it is all you know was frankly, it is a total war that is bound raging against russia. exhausted. it's really quite amazing, the intelligence community agencies and intelligence community probably just can appreciate just how lucky they are when we have this fake russia gate hoax. and then you had all of these cable stations bringing in former spooks and all this was, you know, when we're all coming up, if you wouldn't trust those people, you wouldn't trust them to walk your dog. ok, but now they're invited into your living room. every single night here. and so we see this evolution is that, you know, instead of being suspicious of people that live for a living, decide this eve for a living. now there are celebrated here. i mean,

this is one of the most extraordinary things i've seen in my life because their job is to deceive ok. not necessarily the general public that we know they do that, but foreign governments. now there's are supposed to tell us they're actually quite noble people. so empire, imperialism is your work. empires. my word is noble again. i mean, that's a great come back. well, they can try to make a comeback on that. but i'm afraid the days when you could bravely say the imperialism is the way forward, are well and truly in the past they were put in the past a 100 years ago. was clear, is not able to win the military war on the ground, not able to win the trade ball, which they thought would bring the military world to a quick end and hasn't, is totally by firing on them. and russia is able to withstand, russia is finding new markets, new partners, new ways to send money and, and goods around the world. but europe is not finding replacements for,

for russian gas and russian weights. and other things are the commodities that depends on for its industry, that war is backfiring massively. the only war they feel that they can really wage successfully as the one they're the best that have the most kind of dominance over . and that's the, that's the psychological operation. that's the media will, and that's why you have these talking. it constantly on the, on the west, the news channel saying, you know, russians lose any information. russia's losing the information well, well, you know, in the west or that may be true to an extent. i don't think it is true as they want it to be. there's an awful lot of wishful thinking that goes on just like when they talk about how there's a big deal of resistance moving building in ukraine and russia come up against obstacles. it wasn't expecting, you know, you know, that's entirely wishful thinking. what russia is waging a very careful campaign on the ground. it's been very clever in fact about how it's maneuvered to coltrane, the ukrainian forces and cut them off from one another,

cut them off from their vehicles, destroyed. they feel that those, you know, for everything i've heard. even westerners who are supplying them with the weapons, are starting to run out of things to send them, is the russians just get hold of them and destroy them. they're not able to make good use of them. you know, there's a job to just to kind of record what you're saying is a said, no, i watch all these on hold on the ground reporting, which of course is very, very far away from where apparently the biting is the internet still works. your tricity still works. george gas is still flowing from russia to europe in the middle of this war. it may think, how would you compare that to the american operation in rocca georgia? touch? yes on. that's right. there. they're measuring everything by the way, that the united states and nato wage. there was a united states in particular ways, this shock and all campaign which is total destruction, total devastation and russia didn't do that never intended to live and has never

been the russian way of waging war. so this is so immediate, an immediate good. russia has fail, russia was expecting to take your brain within 2 days. it didn't happen that will russia, as well as you know, and the british media, and here they were just simply pirating. a british government propaganda was saying, russia has failed within 24 hours. and then it was a 1st or is already a very russian says within 24 hours. so as joe says, yes, the west is winning the propaganda campaign. yeah. because they control the world's media, other than most of the world's media in under the control of the west, and even the of the social media. most them on a little control was yeah, so they better than winning this campaign. a lot of this it had voices, but there they went in there this campaign because they bought me on twitter, on facebook. they take all of my 17 years to work on youtube. that's where they

think they're winning. i hear i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that your break will, can you continue our discussion on some real estate? ah ah, ah, ah ah, need to come to the russian state total narrative. i've stayed as i'm phone and

ignore some scheme divest mission. i'm not getting a group in the 55 with keys on that is to final speed anyone else with will ban in the european union? the kremlin? yup. machine the state on crush, up to date and our t spoke neck. even our video agency, roughly all band to on youtube and pinterest, and we could come with me. ah, well, no matter crossed up, were all things are considered id labelle. this is the home addition to remind you

. we're discussing some real news. ah. all right, let's go back to bristol, he, you know, if we talked about in the 1st part of the program, the, him from the massive information more that's going on here. we have to talk about what's also in the news is these are alleged atrocities that are being committed. i'm an, you know, i mean it's, again, it's shocking. are they show a few pictures? they show a short video and then they make a definitive statement, no investigation, no 3rd party. and what they hope is that it will stick. ok. so we, we can look at the city, the outsider, by care where they found up to what, 400 bodies mass grades you know, and then a train station that was a missile attack. but anyone with any kind of curiosity with access to the internet can pick those stories apart quite quickly actually. okay. and you know,

the, one of the things i find most pathetic, the missile that were of that did hit that train station that apparently killed many people and had written on the missile for the children. but western media doesn't seem to understand that ukrainian is in cyrillic as well. ok as if anyone would take that at face value. i mean, this is a, these, they're called foss flags for a reason here. and that's why these false flags reinforce, we've been saying, is that when you're losing start lying, go ahead lately. and there's 2 things to look at with the war crimes narrative. then number one is the the blades and full flag nature of every so called crime a legit crime that has so far been reported they've been picked apart really quickly by people as you say. who cares to take the trouble to look into it. for example, the so called massacre by russian. so it is in, in book turned out from the evidence that the phone has been taken. so 3 days later,

when they said they've been taken by 8 after the, the russians had moved out in good order. they were forced out, they left, they had, they moved out the current to come in the mail celebrated. and 2 days later they said that there's been an atrocity. and you know, and even in those photos the people who you say he'd been shot, they're holding russian russians and wearing white arm bands, which indicates that they are people who were friendly and happy to see the russians in their city. and that might well be the reason they got shot by ukrainians after the russians left. so there's, you know, there's that side of it. you know, is blatant lies. there's also the staggering hypocrisy of the west, which has been committing war crime after war. crime of the war crime, all of his leaders and it says of the newspapers should all be in the dock for the terrible crimes they have been committing for the last 30 years. and when people like me said, look at the principles of nuremberg look at international law. these people are

committing crimes. we will love the of the building. what are you talking about that be silly, blah blah. right? to protect shopping, you know, all of the words they used to justify rules based order. they stop talking about international law when they were so blatantly breaking it and started talking about the rules based order by the rules that we impose on everybody else. and the standards that we hold other people too are not the ones we hold ourselves to. now, i personally think that dredging up nuremberg and reminding people what international law is and where it comes from, is going to possibly re bound on the imperialist because they're the ones who've been committing these crimes. the last that he is. well, that's why the rules based order. george has come into fashion with these people here for exactly the same. the reason we just heard international law is that pesky thing that gets in the way all the time. george, you know, i want to, i want to tap into your expertise here when you and i on our, our podcast, the goggle, that's, that's our locals. so you know something about these kind of false flag operations

. you know something about these a misinformation wars because you know, a whole lot about the breakup of the former yugoslavia. and you've told me repeatedly. this is like saying the same bad movie. again, we're going to little bit of detail and it is they just all over again, was vacillating in the case of you to some of it was that every time there seem to be either some crucial united nations security council meeting coming up all the piece, negotiations were making real progress and then the agreement seemed to be on the horizon. every time there was a massacre. you loan, behold now, you know, the, the cerebral marketplace. there were no less than 3 massacres during those 2, those 3 years of the was and each time it happened was a crucial strategic moment. and as soon as it happened bone, everybody get all the media, all of the you, the bill of the political. it has

a government to solve the subs that the subs amongst the subs are evil. we've got to bomb the subs. now. now, the united nations inspectors on the grounds that we're not really very sure. i mean, it doesn't look very unlikely. but those voices was still just as the, the weapons inspectors in syria and duma were also silenced. and he said the politicians, you know, just sounded off the media. we're happy to both this. so we have the ma call him and then we have right check in the cost of all that we have revenue. so all of these were very careful operation. and then of course we had, you know, libya got off, he's about to commit genocide and, and so we need to stop estimating genocide. and then all the stories about feeding biographies troops in order to commit mass race. this is the psychological war. the

west is very good and there are going to be a lot more of this now in the ukraine. i mean, we can just be sure that every few days we're going to get in all the one in other o bass. all this rocket land and other children's hospital oh, on college expenses, just be blown up. i mean, those are the west knows how to play this game in the, you know, the one of the reasons why not only is to say a cover story for intentionally provoking rushed into a military supremely well document. we don't have to talk about it a great lengthy or, but i mean, the false lives atrocities, war crimes. that's all to explain to public's in the west. why energy prices, they're going up and why there could be loan shortage in all other kinds of supply change chain issues here. because we, we all have to sacrifice for what they call the democracy. which could be a topic for a separate program because it's not meaning, you know,

this is not panama from duras. it's not yet, but this is a g 20 company that is an integral part of the global economy. and the blow back, it is only just beginning here. how long do you think people will say? yeah, i'm going to wrap it, but the ukrainians, a country they only heard about 6 weeks ago. go ahead. i think not for as long as the imperialist, the hoping. no, no, they can't keep this level of hysteria alone and the loan that i try to keep it. then more people will grow to be an interested in the whole thing because the reality of what's happening in their lives is much propose a fee. along with

the way, would it be all the good news for you to pick up? would you, would you want to have a full of pro that then you shouldn't have been really? well, yes, you said you are with us. but if you're with you with somebody, see when we could do them by ah, ah

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