our politics as brittany, you and usa, poor arms and to ukraine, to fight russia. and as the international criminal court investigates, alleged war crimes by russia in ukraine, we investigate arguable parallels with u. k. u. s. u armed israeli military actions in the middle east. in another week of bombing of damascus with princeton's legendary un special repertoire and palestine professor richard fork. all of us are more coming up in today's going underground at 1st all week. as russia moved into your grain, the global un nuclear i. e organisation has been talking in vienna. amidst media reports are alleged us by a warfare labs and ukraine, denied by the pentagon, a village russian interference, a general killing at a maternity hospital denied by russia. and as usual in a donation media, the dangers of a j. c. p. o, a deal with iran. let's go straight to vienna and speak to profess muhammad mirandi of to ron university. thank you so much, professor randy for coming back on the show before we even get to ukraine,

presumably, euro glad that they apparently sanctioned, i mean lifted on president her rosie on the, on the president and the recognition of iran ally venezuela's president. my doro is the, i am changing attitudes towards iran, and do you expect her, you expect now the deal to go through? thanks vacation and is it in iran? is it all of these brutal sanctions are removed? they were never justified? there was never any evidence that iran was seeking a nuclear weapon. the intrusive sanctions that we've had in teheran, in iran for years have proven that. but the united states and its allies have always use any excuse available to agonize iran and to hurt ordinary iranians. the united states accuses iran of terrorism, whereas the united states has surrounded iran with military bases, is killed,

senior iranian officials with israelis. it's assassinated people and it has been helping terrorist groups in syria and iraq and elsewhere. so the real problem is not iran, which is in this neighborhood, it is the united states, which is oppressing iranians, which is strangling iranians. and which is threatening iranians. thousands of kilometers a mile or miles away from it so. so our hope is that the sanctions regime will and whether it's in iran or venezuela or cuba, or in nicaragua, or yemen, or syria or harness on all of these are unjust, barbaric. yeah, obviously the united states a denies helping terrorism in russia is now more sanctioned than iran. we had john bolton on the show. people around the world can watch our interview on them,

on youtube, except in europe, where to see the former us about you. and of course with national security advisor . you said yes. sanctions, or was he do work? because that's what brought iran back to the table to negotiate over it's a nuclear program. it's the sanctions on iran that is brought iran to the table. well, that doesn't justify anything to brutalize a population, but that is not correct either. the iranians only accepted negotiations with the united states once they accept that iran right to enrich uranium. that was the key . so it was the united states that backed down. although obama was the 1st person to initiate the maximum pressure of sanctions targeting women and children in killing innocent people is only when he saw that you is a dead end that he had to accept the runs. right. but i think that that

era is coming to an end the united states when it has to come to iran and see some sort of solution with the country and has to go to venezuela when they confiscated or stolen as well an asset. and they chose their own president for the country, but now they have to go and seek the venezuelan leadership for. ready negotiations and for oil that shows that the, the world is changing in the united states no longer is in the position that it had held before. and iran recognizes that. and therefore iran will be more assertive in defending it sovereignty than before. even though you're on has always been very assertive in that regards about giving that obviously denies ceiling. venezuelan golden britain as things stand does not recognize nicholas maduro as the elected president of venezuela. but what we're hearing in a donation media suggests

a separation between iran and russia as a, as, as events unfold it in, in ukraine because they say, a lever of lever of his leveraging washington. and i all the arguable vassal states, of course, in europe, and the unnamed officials are being quoted in some mainstream media. heritage foundation, a circle, mainstream media. it's not constructive, ebi changer of tak by russia. the vienna talks, i'm sure some people in iran, liberals will take what i say out of context. i'll try to be very careful. first of all, the regimes that imposed the sanctions on iran for the last decade, we're west or whether under obama or trump, or bite. and it was the united states that strangled the wrong. and those powers, those global powers that resisted the sanctions more than anyone else. were china

and russia, there is no doubt about that. and back then when the sanctions were 1st imposed, china and russia were much weaker than they were today. their ability to resist was much smaller, and gradually they grew more powerful and they became more resistant. so we have to keep that in mind. in addition to that, when the russians say is actually cracked, the sanctions imposed on russia will impede iran's trade relations. because western countries we know are not going to come to rod 10 best or to or to normalize trade. in the united states, of course, will never do that. so the only real options, aside from the global south side from neighboring countries in regional countries, are russia and china india as well, and so on. and so if russia is prevented from normalizing trade with the run, the not impedes the implementation of the j. c. k. i. however, the iranians want the deal to be to come to the conclusion

and for all sides to accept it. so we are waiting to see what will happen ultimately for iran. what is important is that the injustice that is imposed upon the running people come to an end. have you been surprised at the global reaction to events in ukraine? obviously europe did what washington wanted. it to do, but as you mentioned, india not voting for the u. s. condemnation or even the flooring rushes moves into your grain, brazil's reaction pakistan's reaction you've been surprised or, or is this been a long time coming the end of hedge a monic washington? well, well let me 1st mention one point and that is that in 2003, when the americans wanted to invade iraq,

we hated saddam hussein more than anyone else. use chemical weapons against us. of course, with european and american support. they gave him that capability, that military intelligence and the political a cover and to get away with very huge chemical attacks, which i survived 2 of those attacks. and many people didn't. but we were opposed to the war. i took part in the anti war protests in london, and the running government opposed the war because it was not legitimate. and even if the un security council had to prove that it would, it would not have been legitimate to run. and therefore, iran does not consider this war to be legitimate. but when, when it opposes war against saddam on, it obviously will support will oppose a war against you. great as well. but i think what we are seeing now is

the rapid decline of nato and the united states and its power because the united states has already been on the decline. we saw that over the last few years, the divisions in the united states economic crisis, the social and political crisis that we saw there. we see the decline in europe and the rise of alternative powers that are standing up against the old order. and then they do has never been more united actually, well they can, they can be as united as they want. but the point is that they are becoming increasingly weekend and their sanctions on russia will backfire because russia has the, the, the resources and the minerals and the oil and gas that they need. and the russians will sanction them as well. and as the united states and the europeans are trying to cross russia in the ukraine,

and the russians are trying to crush nato in ukraine, that we can. so all of these powers and the global south, the watch is of course this, this war is going to create enormous problems for the world. i think you'll create starvation and parts of the world because of the rising price of grains and wheat. but in any case, i think that we are seeing a changing world, or we're seeing the end of the current world order. we're moving towards, i think, a multi polar world of disorder where you're going to have different goals. but i think it's going to, there's going to be a lot of disorder. and i think the times ahead are going to be very, very difficult for everyone. but we're going to see the decline of the united states more rapid than before. just on those weak prices can we expect so called washington proxy governments in the global south to be stabilized by their populations who come to food bread. remember the arab spring or what's the

awakening? a lot of it had to do with the price of bread and survival of ordinary people with, with things moving forward as they are across the global south. i think you're going to see major problems. and i think you may see many governments fall and you may see people die of starvation at summer. and i also think that you're going to see a huge decline in the fortunes of, of already destroyed middle class across europe in the united states. and i don't think that is going to end well for these countries, because under those circumstances, societies change for the worse provide them around the i'll stop you that who from the renown scholar from the university of to run up to this break plus all that parallels between israel, palestine and russia, ukraine is israel joins one of the $41.00 countries at the u. n. who condemned

russia's actions in ukraine. we investigate all of them all. coming up about 2 of going undergrad ah, a kid and engagement. it was the trail when so many find themselves, well the part we choose to look so common ground a dumbly industry to restock and just look up some of natalie muscle around noon. she kitty doesn't being in the green shield on at night to me as

possible. mamma, coquettish sit katie suddenly tamika to his ashley of nbc one. it was the biggest piece. it's a wonder look, please of course zation with you, but not looking for the chino drives to know for phones or something like that. and then we got that with that ah

ah, welcome back, i'm still with the renown professor mohammed mirandi of tapper on universe. you joins me from vienna. iranian the media has been targeted in nato countries for many years. he gtm the chinese with news media, obviously. now, russian media, what do you think of russian source is saying there may be a justification in international law by a warfare labs are indeed discovered in ukraine. that mean that w m d, that old, that old phrase from iraq, as we know there was no w m d in iraq. the w m d was on roger's borders. therefore russia had to act. well, i hope you are able to show at some point the clip of the u. s. deputy secretary of state. when she was discussing this,

it was obvious. she was extremely nervous. the body language was extraordinary. obviously something very sinister was happening. it's now it's no ordinary bio lab if it was something in nope, and then they should not be concerned at all that the russians would gain access to it. and, and i, it's a fact that the, you know, that this is, these are western kind of the same western countries they gave saddam hussein, chemical weapons. it was an ideal world that the western media, cheerleading, the war. like what they, i mean, i would imagine from their narratives that this is what norm could be, would be doing what not that north korea would be something like that be today. and cnn today when you watch them, it's just, it's just disgusting. they just cheerleaders for war, but when the war on iraq was taking place, they weren't cheerleading the occupation shock. and i wasn't a bad thing back then when chemical weapons were being given to sit down to use

against iranians and the city of hot shit. where and one attack, 600-650-5500 people were massacred. they were silent about this just shows the pentagon denies, obviously bio warfare and those kind of comparisons with the draw cities committed by alleged atrocities committed by nature. as is seen as watch about to read, i just quickly, i need to go back to go to turkey. where of course, there was this extraordinary meeting between foreign minister that didn't seem to be peace negotiations. what do you think about turkey's position given it's a need to remember in russia and switch off a test? 400 system at a stroke? well, the turkish president is a person who is constantly shifting his position one day and he's against israel. the next day he's host this right of the president, one day he's friends with the syrian president and they go out with their families together. the next phase of assisting isis and al qaeda to destroy the country. and

so the syrian government on but now basically what the turkish government has done is that they've destroyed their credibility across the globe, no one trust as an add on whether it's ukraine or russia or nato, or even the israeli regime, or regional countries. just very briefly, i mean obviously we'd like to talk to your best join. i just got a very us review, ask you about syria because of the reports of his list. so previously to pull to the link to the jo governments, what have you, what is that a, does your hearing about the bombing of damascus, one of the oldest and have a to cities of, of the world just this week by you, k, u. s. a. you nation is ready warplanes, when there's right, the regime moms, damascus. they are violating international law. but in the western media find when they're starving yemen, a war which is far worse than ukraine and thousands of british advisors are helping

keep the saudi are. we are forced to float, we don't hear that in the media. these cheerleaders on the bbc and cnn and elsewhere are silent about it either the races. but when it comes to syria, i think one of the interesting things is that 1st of all, these are not as thomas just as the neo nazis and then not see this in europe or not christian. these are extremist groups that are used as tools by western powers, by the israelis, by add on, by nato, and by oil rich dest spots in the region that have been allies of the united states, just as in utah, ninety's are being used. and just as the contra rebels were being used against the broad ones, the americans in the europeans use these extremist because it's like shocking off if i can. iraq, americans were proud of shocking on what was shocking on it was, it was to create fear, among ordinary iranians. it was to make iraq iraqis in all of the,

of american might, which is utterly barbaric. that's, that's why they use extremist, sincere. that's why they use extreme as in europe. that's why they use the extremist in the global south. obviously, washington brussels washington, brussels denies that professor, mom with brandy. thank you. thank you for now, while russia has continued bombing ukraine this week. and while the international criminal court investigates, alleged war crimes, u. k, u. s. u armed israel also investigated for legible crimes is continued its bombing of damascus. according to syrian state media. joining me not from california is professor emeritus of international law at princeton university and the former un special up to our own, the situation of human rights in the palestinian territories, richard fork. professor falk welcome to going underground. you're a legend. as far as un special were up, which as go, we've had many, you in special ravages on, but you made you in special or up with what it is arguably is re lease,

then volunteering to join up with the legend though, denied by them neo nazi affiliated ukrainian army, i better stop by asking you as a special or a border on palestine. what the situation in russia, ukraine, is as regards parallels or the israel palestine are or rather right in the sense that the empathy and the i'll call ring respond to the humanitarian crisis caused by the russian invasion of ukraine. has produced something absolutely different than they have been in, i think in the over decade. and it is, it can be explained by many in many ways,

partly renewal of the her idea logical her as the cold war is partly an expression of empathy for christian white. then the syrian refugees during the syrian civil strife were welcomed with barbed wire. in europe, while they, ukraine in refugees are being welcomed with open arms and one shows hostility. the palace low and hidden in britain to control the sea about that. but you could tear is secretary general of the you and very quick to declare. russia violated the un job

to, i mean, what is he like? did he support your work with virginia tilly in your 2017 report when you accuse israel of apartheid? i know amnesty international now accuses israel of about a do, which israel denies what is it until you get there is like, what did he think of your report? i paris then are coming to the pressure exerted by the un, nikki haley and the security council thing goes out the report or condemnation. he was a new secretary general at the time. she threatened the un with funding consequences if he failed to denounce the report in actuality, he only removed it from the website. he never actually repudiated the report, but it was kind of the weakness of the un that it can respect

the political independence of its own action and is subject to the what i call the primacy of jail holiday. although because really mccula had to withdraw the report do, and she, she left the organization at the, at the un. what does it feel like for you? i mean is 10 years since your un general assembly report defacto arguing for b, the s because of israeli violations of resolutions. susan rice, i mean she's now a. m g was then us ambassador to the un have now she's a, by an official. she called your report irresponsible and acceptable, but she now supports a boy god of russia and you might have heard that we're here in whale in britain. chikavsky is being banned. m sopranos are being sacked in

a new york and conductors in milan. need a standard the control of the international political and morrow, this car by the us. and it is a exaggerated group that has not been duplicated in other comparable situations like the iraq invasion of 2003. so there's every reason to the one hand, regret the humanitarian crisis that has been caused by a russian invasion. but at the same time, to point out that this is an illustrative of a geopolitical response. not

a even the hand is legal and morrow respond. it was of course more to guys who knew who is honey drive here in london, who revealed to us what he said was the israeli nuclear weapons program. as, as one of the most famous form, a u. n. special repertoire has. how close do you think we are to nuclear confrontation? so gay lab upset, it's always nature. that raises the threat. obviously the ukrainian president has raised the need to perhaps rearm with nuclear weapons and rushing nuclear weapons being put on high alert. i think there is a serious danger folk from the nuclear reactors in ukraine and could be hit with either accidentally or deliberately either by turns or by direction

military press. and then there's the danger of escalation. whenever there is a confrontation of the sword as occurred in the cuban missile crisis, back in 19621 has to worry about mutually catastrophic consequences of escalating across the nuclear crash out. and i think it's one hope that the leader is on both side, have the prudent awareness of these risks well and relax reporting well we both and, and all of us here going underground. so i sympathize with all the victims of the current conflict. do you think that we may be entering a new world order where all the were all the circled unworthy victims?

as chomsky and edward herb and talked about will now be recognized. there won't be any more. iraq, afghanistan, the amans libyans, libya, syria's too much to hope for realistic clay. i feel that the primacy of politics is such that the permanent members of the security council who are given them to send an exemption from complying with the un shot, to prove that veto power will continue to pursue their strategic. i think one of the things that a at the present time is whether the aftermath of the cold war gives rise to a 2nd cold war or, and the unit polarity that the u. s. has claimed and

the end of the cold war and proclaim it global purity has no porter, if planetary and skulk, that's it for one of your favorite shows of this season. the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then, you can keep in touch my all social media if it's available in your country. and remember, you can continue to watch, will going undergoing episodes on odyssey and it auto come see very soon with a b, c, news reports u. s. intelligence agencies have been deliberately laundry, phoning stories about the one ukraine through the media. those of us through it, watch carefully. the conflict suspected this all along. when you're losing an argument or the 1st line of defense is to lie

with who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing, but i figure which of the problem was the question. as you speak on the bill in your senior, mostly mine or wish you were banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g. i. g, of course with regard to joe by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang

with western pressure over india neutral stance on the ukraine conflict. escalades as u. s. president joe biden hold a virtual summit with indian prime minister in a renter of money pocket on parliament elect. the former opposition leader to replace out of prime minister iran con minutes after legislators from his party resigned. con, says his successor is corrupt and he is the victim of the u. s. back in 10. fighting continues in the battle from r u as dumbass forces. now say they have mostly taken control of the cities port. meanwhile, archie follows a battle near the cities as of the st. feel factory, a strong hold of ukrainian nash.