to the russian church relationship, one place that they needed to come to mind is keep your friends close an enemies even closer. having fought more wars between them than any other pair of countries in the region most go. and i once again involved in a very intricate dance over ukraine. what does truck is time there? to discuss now joined by use of all of our returns colonel of the turkish army and the security channel. it is a great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. i get it from your recent writing that you find russia's actions in ukraine, pretty distasteful. you call that the return of russian are, isn't suggesting that it was more about going up the land and them securing a country. national interest or turkish troops for a number of years have been present in syria, which is also somewhere in state. your army conducted a sounds different corporations there. despite the very clear objections of the

sitting government. what is the difference here? been sure to defending its interest in syria and russia to funding it's interesting ukraine. 30 not started the inmate syria because there are numerous terrorist attacks missionary circling by everyone. this is not an issue. this is a certain issue which is accepted by everyone. 30 is being attacked by p k. k. i might be g forces from the border for this isn't the turkish operations on the more little syria is limited on the with 2025 to meet their stuff from order in order to secure the area. turkish troops are not securing the area about the sodium portion now are securing the area which called down south as it pretty sure you are me for this reason, the operations,

let's say on the just getting the border security with a very limited depth insights. the story of border, not that operation in order to conquer i left for the mosque was on the other side . but what is that? i'm sure you remember, and i remember that for sure is a workers one, then they cover that more from the ground. it is true that the for now the trick is present. melcher prisons is limited to about i think $15000.00 troops and it's mostly alongside the truck is going, but used to be much larger. as you know, i'm sure you've heard of the russian allegation supported by the satellite images jerky was running a lot of well, what should i say contraband oil operations in that country. its presence is presence, not only military with commercial presence and political presence used to be much larger in the french, don't you think so. i think he has a per issues other than the mid throw inside soria is also limited areas

that are located near by the border. so the main difference between them is about securing the border. for example, let's give you an analogy that most co say is that if you create the space for a nato, then the nato armament including emanation santa reference systems, will be as close as 500 kilometers to moscow. and it is a huge security problem from the perspective of to russia. this can be discuss about maybe russia is right. but can you imagine that if 500 kilometers is a huge tract? so the security off russia, which ma'am we share, might be acceptable. how can turkey let the y p g force, which is sort of,

especially by the united states just on the border, which is shooting every day to the turkish cities? is acceptable. you mentioned me and i know that president arizona was many turkish and military analysts commented on leaders present the american presence in syria as detrimental to check to security in the united states are nominally allies, russia and the united states. i'm not l. i stand straight adversaries. that's written in all the strategic documents, at least as far as the american military doctrine goals. do you think that russia should have ignored made us increasing presence in ukraine not only present in terms of training soldiers, but also military it present, sending honest, conducting all sorts of psychological operations? what have you, i person said for in many different platforms,

that crisis in between you crate and russia. could me proof beforehand if the ukraine stay government official has a little sensitivity about what's going on in that area. for that reason, i certainly agreed that ukrainian over shows good bill it before the war has started and the claim that they will not be a part of natal that's clear. and then throughout the war, i said it's not only in your tv channel, in many different tv channels, that the war could be proactive. but it has me motivated by the west, a love that they will be a part of nato and european union. and new zaleski government is the motivated, high the by the rest of them. and it, there, they didn't,

took in the lesson from the georgia and the guy of ukraine and ukrainians is giving a life less, especially in the european union, united states policies and the united unity of nato. for this reason, i don't believe that russia has some security concerns as far as that nato is not friends allies off the russia, russia. but those alaska government is being highly motivated and they do to gain a lesson from his story. i want to ask you about another comment of yours and this elijah resurrection of russian. zara expansion. isn't your suggestion? i'm quoting you here. eastern europe and all the countries will undoubtedly still

depression much more from now on. what exactly do you have in mind? from my point of perspective, if the security concern of russia is over, ukraine is opening away to the invasion of ukraine. and if the invasion becomes successful, then why that won't be any security threats from the bulk of countries to the russia, a balkan countries or the growth countries with you mentioned, they are part of me though they're officially part of me. do you think russia, i mean, i think one of the distinctions in. a you know, military analyst and all the other kinds of analysts is that really to people tend to take into account, you know, the, the capacities of various actors to go outside enough ration, given the scale of the challenge of russia and ukraine. you know, the military challenge, the social challenge, you know, all the western sanctions associated dc. russia has any resources,

let alone motivation to invade, as you suggested the baltic states or to even look aggressively that way for the for, for that issue, i should take a look at what is me, paul, inside russia, when i read the newspapers relate to those issues, when i read the commands analysis, there are many are presented of them are also there are many party leaders inside the russia which are stating that their goal is to prove and turn back to the border of night night to. so my cell for, for that reason, the turn back to the night night to so and then why russia does not take into consideration that the baltic countries and the eastern european countries also shoot me off natal. i'm also reading the russian newspapers and there are many,

many hours to suggest that russia should not try to undermine i. ukraine said that ukraine needs to remain a sovereign state with certain capital, with the economy is not going back. and there will be some independence or some special regime on like some, some special rules or functioning for the non boss region. but there are many russians who believe that russia has a vital state in keeping ukraine as an independent country. i just want to pointed out that, you know, it be opinions that you're reading is not the only one that exist here. tell you that are keeping the crania is a very high low state, let's say. and a you, in a very high, low commons position. so the lumber station might be a solution for the problem, which i also wrote that to my newspaper in the turkish, a newspaper because compromising requires her and so i have no

idea if rational side except the high low autonomy premium box, which is officially connected to the ukraine, but it has a very high autonomous status, which has its own troops on part, an immense, but connected to create. and then my dot net. net. my 3 is older, a solution, but i also you, should you my right so that if the ukranian site will accept, this is not certain because then our, the ukrainian side is ready to accept some issues. there are many bad news coming from the area, lack the butcher. for this reason, i am very clear that also you can find that in my twitter account. i said that from now long if there are some shooting. thank links from death mom and

on daryl me. some suspects who is trying to promote peace in the ukrainian side, which i am stating less because that's the ether message which i shared with the publish was very open. it was before the butcher, just after i showed it, the butcher video started to spin over to the international media. then i said, aha, someone who is not wanting the piece you said is a game on the stage. for that reason, i can believe that some compromises may bring the piece, but as mister laross said, after the poke, you stumble, the ukrainian side start to bring some extra issues with cable, which i understand that he is

a game being motivated by the rest in order to not accept russia is all for now, you know, again, i will answer about the issue because the issue that i wrote about the return of char, is not the same much you are telling. now, what, what do you mean i'm telling? now i'm quoting from your article where you adjusted that roughly motivated by again, rather than security intra. if russia has time for those issue, but this is the history, every country is eager to turn back to it is moved off base. i don't understand this perspective. it's just to be very western dominated, you're suggesting that russia is leaving in the past and it wants to recreate itself where we are concerned. we're looking to the future, the media presence. you represent

a real security threat to russia. you should have nothing to do with resurrecting imperial russia or the soviet union. ask you with something to do with addressing needed challenges and hasn't russian been quite being patient in that regard given how stubbornly nater have moved towards it. also, you know, a couple of all sorts of things are being discussed besides russia, you know, to turn back to 1997. the nato, a large major russian side should ask himself why all the rest east european eastern european countries such as barrier romania. paul is trying to be part of tomato. they do not want to be together with russia. i can answer that question for you right here because when we entered meter,

made in the european union was associated with prosperity. right. tricky also wanted to be part of media. people wanted to have the reading standards as in europe, that situation has changed. and if i have people in your group given a choice on their security options, i'm not quite sure that they would overwhelmingly support b. membership of data. if you cannot explain the nathan umbrella for protection for the eastern european countries on the for welfare, because they felt the soviet era killed the launch. they have some freights from the russia. for that reason, they want to be part of the nato. and go around the they are security, especially from the russian expansion. the idea of which is coming from the soviet you know, the proc spring and the other uprising and the soviet no pressure

or the capital steers off that and eastern european countries. for this reason, they want to be part of nato eagerly because of the phrase of russia expansion again to their home that then other issue. turkey is also part of the, as you said, if you take a look at my turkey became a part of nato. me can go back and me can find that mr. mala cove. the minister of foreign affairs in the soviet time clearly demanded some lance from turkey in 1940. what is it? he pushed turkey himself to be a part of the nato for this isn't russia? turkey, eastern european country is best ukraine. everybody should learn from the, his story. so, so what i believed that russia should make them really

is that russia does not pause that threat for those comm fees. well miss around by that we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments state you ah ah, ah, ah, issues with talking just like of literally a muscle around noon. she kitty doesn't being an extension. on a nice to me as possible, mama cascoo said to somebody to look at that i possession of at least one of the 2 biggest pieces goes down to one to 2 pieces. but of course zation did

you bring out of the key chain of times to metal for phones or something like that . and then we got that with i have that ah, welcome back to will the court smith, a retired colonel of the turkish army and security. and i was talking about the situation in ukraine. all those countries that you mentioned from turkey, because turkey has a very singular, very specific security poster. it's a, it's, it's pretty unique when all the other countries who have invested, who have outsourced that security to the united states. having seen what your brain

has done and ukraine has extended it so we can, ada was left one on one with russia. it's not being defended by nita. how do you think the culture of those eastern european countries will change from now on? do they have, will they have confidence in later security terms made those secure deterrence is mean test evasion off to ukraine. so far the nato scott on use and especially united states got our european union countries go on to the ukraine, didn't work. as i said, it did in for closer in the georgia. so you can see beforehand but who see because they have no state who traditions if they had some faith traditions, like in the past, i'm on the stand that that will never be together with them. if they let

you on with your counseling by yourself, that is the history that showed us. it's very and you are by you are all with those countries is sensing lots of tracks from the russian aggression inside you create for that reason the russian overshoot russian media also should move up in order to proceed that for most countries that russia does not have an intention of making those countries a respect. most of the russian media have been cut off when i was waiting them or anything is very difficult. and i don't think russia i bring that. can i bring it criticism? this book, news was lost on a time. spelling that the international media insights are key was on the pressure,

but then it comes to present. now, me can say that only the turkey is the country that the international media, including the russian international media general just is a lation of russian economy to some degree from the perspective of europe, which my country never parks. bates them understandable. but who can tell me that poll slow and both is out of the curriculum. this is unacceptable. this is a typical restaurant of standing population. and me know that from the historic, this is the issue that i also advocate all the time in my country at tv shows. and also in my daily newspaper step, there are 2 pillars of the turkish foreign policy. one of them is the international law that it cannot be acceptable, the invasion of one country,

but the other site for the sake of europe don't, you shouldn't isolate and put some locate to the russian side. you should keep are with relations. well, they're one of the situation is insight you credit for that reason. i don't believe that having would relations with russia like in this area. we do not understand in every aspects in storia. we do not understand and each other, it every inch of in libya in the houses, but it was neither sister put in and mr. alarm is successful for finding a solution area. when we look at that relationship and then put an end on it or ration tricky, it's a very complicated relationship with fraud. but you said that your countries and

that you really have been able to find difficult compromises. and a few years back when question was asked specifically about and on. and it was right in the middle of the syrian war. shortly after the church shut down the russian plane. he said that if he and mister and on agreed on something, there was a high chance that'd be realized that you could trust areas on war is the same way to mr. the landscape where it, if that meeting ever comes about, agree on anything, can you really deliver what he promises? you know, to keep your promise, you should mean depend on what happens in pakistan. you can see that just for the sake of visiting moscow, the president in ron ha, now beach couple down by an interaction which is supported by the american operations. that is very clear because we know it from our story. for that reason,

if you ask me, mr. put, you will keep it as promised. news. also believe that mr. zalesky will keep this promise. i cannot say yes. why? because i do not believe that zaleski go and mister lansky is very free to take is on decisions. that is the issue that we should discuss in the next coming days for the peace process talking. as mr. larosa, i mentioned a couple of minutes ago set that zaleski government started to break new issues to the table after the stumble song. so this is unacceptable for that reason mr. avalon is keeping it this promises, but he pay a lot, especially in his struggle insight or let me you an example. if mr. long was not successful, keeping it as leadership during the 515 july could that i had them. mr. long may

not be able to sustain a good relation with mr. miller than their book in traffic history. many prime minister has been coupled on from the government. the american intervention isn't just because keeping with relation of the soviet and nothing changed. look at pakistan. look at that in july inside 30 for that reason. turkey paid lots of prize in order to establish if free foreign policy. and now we are getting the advantage that turkey is a long time establish relations. we must go by now you take a look at what the less the turkish opposition clearly and locates got all your relations do not talk with russia. apply all the same to forward russia.

what happened inside, i'm gonna, you know, very well, and this is as me kill the owner, isn't that the russian ambassador has been assist nathan in the capital city of turkey, in just to break relations with relations with russia. that's a, that's a very important issue to raise because tricky, obviously plays not only diplomatic or plays and. busy role in this company, but it also has a very important military role as the guardian on the, on the street. and i know that a minister of defense attorney will not allow nader's military ships into the black sea. he also speculated that he, what he said, that he can exclude the possibility that all those mines that have been appearing in the black sea near the turkish water has been brought there by those who want neither ships to go through the trade in value even contemplated i wonder what is

the state of trust between turn can need or if your own minister defines allows for thought that you know, some of you need to alice can bring several 100 minus 2 to your sure. ah, this is very important. also. mine's mish came to the most service is a huge threat for the international trade. but before the war has started, one of the former commander of the nato, which is responsible from the defense of the europe, as clearly says that turkey should close the straits all even to look trading ships. and i said, we should take a look at the history in 1942 german ships. trespass from the boss for sandra darlena. and mom, the city is off, russia and me and geisha war

b feel rush on ottoman empire. and they asked me last night to thousands of our soldiers. why? because there were 2 adventurous, 3 adventures guys who was ruling bought them on empire. and they were not a countable today, a nation. and i asked, nice time you have nice no chance because mr. i long the now we're, let's muck useful because closing straight even for the trading and ships means that turkey should fight with russia, ukraine and the other black sea sharing. one says of, i don't believe that nato is trying to be a part inside the black sea, but there is a monster convention which turkey clearly applied that convention this to nato countries. and the less does not want turkey applies that long term congregation.

overshoot turkey is an ally within a thought, but i can say that in 2022 turkey knows very well that in every security issue. turkey should on the defense, is skunky. it is on force. i miss element our we have to leave it here. thank you very much for your insights. i really awesome. thank you very much. and thank you for watching. called to sir again next week or well, the part ah with blue

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