we live in the most existential of time. in reality, the west is restoring the world order did make a with a wealthy toils acquired when it comes to the russian turkish relationship. one praise that it comes to mind is keep your friends close and enemies even closer. having fought more wars between them than any other pair of countries in your asia . moscow, and anchor i once again involved in a very intricate dance over ukraine. what does truck is tag there? well, to discuss, i'm now joined by use of all of our returns carlo of the turkish army and the

security analyst. mr. a great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. i get it from your recent writing that you'll find rushes actions in ukraine, pretty distasteful. you called it the return of russia are, isn't suggesting that it was more about doubling up the land than securing the countries the national interest. yeah, turkish troops for a number of years have been present in syria, which is also somewhere in state. your army conducted offensive operations there on . despite the very clear judge, objections of the sitting government was the difference here between church and defending its interest in syria and russia defending it's interesting in ukraine. turkey not started the inmate syria because there are numerous service effects which is resorting by everyone is not an issue. this is

a certain issue which the accepted by everyone. turkey is being attacked by p k y p g forces from the border. for this isn't the turkish operations on the more little syria is limited on the with to a 25, you know, meet their step from order in order to secure the area and turkish troops are not securing the area about the sodium portion now are securing area which call themselves as it pretty story an army. for this reason, the turkish operations, let's say on and just getting the border security with a very limited dep inside the sodium border. not an operation. you know, the car, you're, i left for the mass schools and other cities. but what is it that i'm sure you remember? and i remember that for sure is as a workers fund and i cover that from the ground. it is true that the for now the

trick is present to present limited to about i think, $15000.00 trucks and it's mostly alongside the truck is going to be much larger. and as you know, i'm sure you've heard of the russian allegation supported by the satellite images jerky was running a lot of time. well, what should i say? contraband oil operations in that country. its presence is presence, not only a military, most commercial presence and political presence used to be much larger in the french, don't you think so? jackie has a other than the mr. operation inside storia is also limited areas that are located near by the border. so the main difference between them is about securing the border. for example, let's give you an analogy that mo, say is that if you create part of the space for a nato,

then nato are moments including emanation. santa record systems will be as close as 500 kilometers to moscow, and it is a huge security problem from the perspective of to russia. this can be discuss about maybe russia is right. but can you imagine that if 500 kilometers is a huge tract? so the security off russia, which ma'am we share, might be acceptable. how can turkey let the y p g force, which is sort of, especially by the united states, just on the border, which is shooting every day to the turkey cities, is acceptable. you mentioned me and i know that president arizona as well as many turkish and military analysts commented on nader's, present american presence in syria as detrimental to check to security in the

united states are nominally allies, russia and the united states. i'm not l. i stand straight adversaries. that's written in all the strategic documents, at least as far as the american military doctrine goes. do you think that russia should have ignored made is increasing presence in ukraine not only present in terms of training soldiers, but also military it present, sending honest, conducting all sorts of psychological operations. what have you? i person said, for in many different platforms. net crisis in between you crate and russia. could me proof beforehand if the ukraine stay government official has a little sensitivity about what's going on in that area. for that reason, i certainly agreed that ukrainian over shows good bill

it before the war has started, and the claim that it will not be a part of nasal that's clear. and then throughout the war, i said it's not only in your tv channel, in many different tv channels that the war could be proactive. but it has me motivated by the last a love that they will be a part of nato and european union. and new zaleski government is the most of 8 is high the by the west. and if they didn't, took in the lesson from the georgia south o cynthia, and the guy of ukraine and ukrainians is giving a life less, especially in the european union. united states policies and the united unity of

nato. for that reason, i don't believe that russia has some security concerns as far as that nato is not france allies off to russia, russia. but the zaleski government is being highly motivated and they do to gain a lesson from his story. i want to ask you about another comment of yours and these elijah resurrection of russian. zara expansion. isn't your suggestion? i'm quoting you here. eastern europe and the baltic countries will undoubtedly still depression much more from now on. what exactly do you have in mind? from my point of perspective, if the security concern of russia is over ukraine is opening away to the invasion of ukraine. and if the invasion become successful, then why that won't be any security threats from the bulk of countries to the

russia, the welcome country or the baltic countries with you mentioned, they are part of me though they're officially part of me. do you think russia, i mean, i think and the distinctions in. a you know, military analyst and all the other kinds of analysts is that really to people tend to take into account, you know, the capacities of various actors to go out setting up the ration, given the scale of the challenge of russia and ukraine. you know, the military challenge, the social challenge, you know, all the western sanctions associated. do you think russia has any resources, let alone motivation to evade? as you suggested the baltic states or to even look aggressively that way for research, for that issue, i should take a look at what is me whole new site. when i read the newspapers related to those issues. when i read the comments out, there are many,

are present at the source duma. also, there are many party leaders inside the russia which are stating that their goal is to prove and turn back to the border of night night to. so i was for that reason the term back to the night night to so and then why russia does not take into consideration that the baltic countries and the eastern european countries also shoot me off natal. i'm also reading the russian newspapers and there are many, many hours to suggest that russia should not try to undermine i. ukraine said that ukraine needs to remain a sovereign state with certain cabinets, always the crime is not going back and there will be some independence or some special regime, or like some, some special rules of functioning for the non boss region. but there are many

russians who believe that russia has a vital state in keeping ukraine as an independent country. i just want to pointed out that, you know, the opinions that you're reading is not the only one that exist here. tell you the keeping. the crania is a very high, a state, let's say a you, in a very high, low commons position. so the boss vision might be a solution to the problem, which i also wrote that to my newspaper in the turkish, a newspaper because compromising requires purple. so i have no idea if rational side, except the high know economy premium, which is obviously connected to the ukraine. but it has a very high autonomous status which has its own troops on putting a man about connected to create this michael net. net my to result

a solution, but i also you, should you my right so that if the ukrainian side will accept this is not certain because then our the ukrainian side is ready to accept some issues. there are many bad news coming from the area, lack the butcher. for this reason, i am very clear that also you can find it in my twitter account. i said that from now long if there are some shooting. thank links from death momentum daryl me. some suspects who is trying to produce peace in the ukrainian side, which i am stating less because that's the ether message, which i shared with the public was very open. it was before the butcher,

just after i shaved it, the butcher video started to spin over to the international media. then i said, aha, someone who is not wanting the piece you said is a game on the stage. for that reason, i can believe that some compromises may bring peace, but as mister de larosa, after the post you stumbled, the ukrainian side started to bring some extra issues to look a boat, which i understand that he is again, being motivated by the rest in order not to accept russia is all for now, you know, and i will answer about the charter issue, because the issue that i wrote about the return of char, is not the same. what you are telling now, or what they mean i'm telling. now, i'm quoting from the article where you adjusted that russia motivated by again,

rather than security intra. if russia has time for those issue or this is the history, every country is eager to turn back to it this little face. i don't understand this perspective, it's just to be very western dominate, if you're suggesting that russia is leaving in the past that it wants to recreate itself. where as far as we are concerned, we're looking into the future. the media presence in ukraine represents a real security threat to russia. you should have nothing to do with resurrecting imperial russia or the soviet union. it has to you with something to do with addressing immediate challenges and hasn't russian been quite being patient in that regard given how stubbornly nater have moved towards it. also you

a couple also, things are being discussed besides russia, you know, to turn back to the 1997. the nato, a large mainly rational side should ask to himself, why all the west east european eastern european countries such as bulgaria, romania. paul is trying to be part of tomato. they do not want to be together with russia. yes, i can answer that question for you right here because when we entered meter, made in the european union was associated with prosperity. right. tricky also wanted to be part of media that people wanted to have the reading standards as in europe, that situation has changed. and if i have people in your brain given a choice on their security options, i'm not quite sure that they would overwhelmingly support the membership of data.

if you cannot explain the nathan umbrella for protection, for the eastern european countries on the for welfare, because they felt the soviet era till to launch. they have some freights from the russia. for that reason, they want to be part of the nato and go around the they are security, especially from the russian expansion. we idea which is coming from the soviet, you know, the product spring and the other uprising and the soviet no pressure or the capital steers of that. and eastern european countries. for this reason, they want to be part of nato eagerly because of the phrase of russia expansion again to their home that then other issue. turkey is also part of the, as you said, if you take a look at my turkey became a part of nato. we can go back and we can find that mr mala cove. the minister of

foreign affairs in the soviet time clearly demanded some lance from turkey in 1940. what it is, he push turkey himself to be a part of the nato for this is a russia, turkey, eastern european countries, best ukraine. everybody should learn from the historian. so, so what i believed that russia should make them really is that russia does not pause that threat for those countries. well miss, on monday we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. mm .

who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. and number those constantly growing with someone who were banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g a t with regard to by imposing the sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah

ah welcome back to with all of our guy retired colonel of the turkish army and security analysts were talking about the situation in ukraine. all those countries that you mentioned about from target because turkey has a very singular, very specific security poster. it's a, it's, it's pretty unique, but all the other countries who have invested, who have outsourced that security to the united states, having seen what your brain has down and ukraine has extended itself. we can, ada was left one on one with russia. it's not being defended by native. how do you think the culture of those eastern european countries will change from now on? do they have, will they have confidence in later security terms made those secure deterrence

is mean test evasion off to ukraine. so far the natal scott is and especially united states got on europe in and you can go on to the ukraine, didn't work. as i said, it is in florida, will say in the georgia. so you can should see beforehand, but goofy because they have no state who traditions. if they had some faith traditions like in the past climes, they could understand that the last will never be together with them. if the lady and you on with your conscience by yourself, that is the history that shows us it is very and you are by you are all with it with those countries is sensing lots of tracks from the russian. a gretchen inside you create for net reason the russian operations russian media also should move up in order to proceed that for most

countries that russia does not have an intention of meeting those countries with all due respect, most of the russian media have been cut off when i was waiting them or anything is very difficult and the rush and i bring that, can i bring it group? this is the split news was lost on a time. spelling that the international media insights are key was on the pressure, but then it comes to present. now, me can say that only the turkey is the country that the international media, including the russian international media general, just elation of russian economy to some degree from the perspective of europe, which my country never participates them. understandable. but who can tell me

that poll slow and both is out of the curriculum. this is unacceptable. this is a typical restaurant of standing book is alicia. and me know that from the historic this is the issue that i also n o k. all the time in my country at tv shows and also in my daily newspaper step, there are 2 pillars of the turkish foreign policy. one of them is the international law that it cannot be acceptable, the invasion of one country, but the other site for the sake of europe don't, you shouldn't isolate and put some located to the russian side. you should keep are with relations. well, they're one of the situation is insight you credit for that reason. i don't believe that having would relational smith russia,

like in this area. we do not understand in every aspects in storia, we do not understand and each other it every inch of in libya in the houses, but it was neither sister put in and mr. alarm is successful for finding a solution. if the idea when we look at that relationship and then put an ad on it or russian tree, it's a very complicated relationship with fraud. but as you said, that you can trace and if you really have been able to find difficult compromises and a few years back, one question was asked specifically about and on. and it was right in the middle, the syrian war, shortly after the church shut down the russian plane. he said that if he and mister and on agreed on something, there was a high chance that'd be realized that you could trust areas on war. here is the

same way to mr. landscape or it. if that meeting ever comes about, agree on anything, can you really deliver what he promises? you know, to keep your promise, you should mean depend on what happens in pakistan. you can see that just for the sake of visiting moscow, the president in wrong ha, now beach couple down by an interaction which is supported by the american off the sheets. that is very clear because, you know, it's from our story for that reason. if you ask me, mr. put, you will keep it as promised. news. also believe that mr. zalesky will keep this promise. i cannot say yes. why? because i do not believe that zaleski go and mister zalinski is very free to take is on decisions. that is the issue that we should discuss in the next coming

days for the peace process talking. as mr. larosa, i mentioned a couple of minutes ago. set that zaleski government starting to bring new issues to the table after the stumble, some. so this is unacceptable for that reason mr. avalon is keeping it this promises, but he pay a lot, especially in his struggle insight or let me you an example. if mr. long was not successful, keeping it as leadership during the 515 july could that i had them mr. are long enough to be able to sustain regulation with mr. miller, in their book, in traffic history, many prime minister has been coupled on from the government. the american intervention isn't just because keeping with relation of the soviet and nothing

changed. look at pakistan. look at that. you like them inside 30 for that reason. turkey paid lots of price in order to establish if free foreign policy and now we are getting the advantage that turkey is a long time establish relations. we must go by now you take a look at what the less the turkish opposition clearly and locates got all your relations, do not talk with russia. apply all the same to forward russia. what happened inside? i gotta, you know, very well as me kill the owner isn't that the russian ambassador has been as a snake in the capital city of turkey is just to break relations with relations with russia. that's a, that's a very important issue to read. because tricky,

obviously plays not only diplomatic or plays in. busy in this company, but it also has a very important military role as the guardian on the, on the streets. and i know that a minister of defense attorney will not allow native military ships into the black sea. he also speculated that he, what he said, that he can exclude the possibility that all those mines that have been appearing in the black, near the turkish water, has been brought there by those who want neither ships to go through the strait even contemplated. i wonder what is the state of trust between turn can need or if your own minister defines allows for thought that you know, some of you need to, alice can bring several 100 minus 2. you're sure. ah, this is very important. also. mine's wish came to the most service is a huge threat for the international trade. but before the war has started,

one of the former commander of the nato, which is responsible from the defense of the europe, as clearly says that turkey should close the straits. all even to look trading ships. and i said we should take a look at the history in 1942 german ships trespass from the was for sandra darlena and mom, the city is off, russia, and me engage a war. b feel rush on optum on empire, and they asked me last night to thousands of our soldiers. why? because there were 2 adventurous, 3 adventures guys who was ruling on empire and they were not accountable to their nation. and i asked this time you have now no chance because mr. i long the now we're lead matthews, because closing straight even for the trading and ships means that

turkey should fight with russia, ukraine and the other black sea sharing. one says of, i don't believe that nato is trying to be a part inside the black sea, but there is a monster convention which turkey clearly applied that convention which to nato countries. and the less does not want turkey applies that launcher congregation. over shallow turkey is an ally within a thought, but i can say that in 2022 turkey knows very well that in every security issue, the issue on the defense, it's county is on force. this element that we have to leave it here. thank you very much for your insight. i really awesome. thank you very much. and thank you for

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is the aggressor who chose is war. today i'm authorized with additional strong sanctions with seymour in the branding all in ports of russian oil and gas turbine and imposing the sanctions. i brochure no as destroyed the american. in fact, there's a boomerang bay where you're suffering the i key interest really hitting people in the pocket book, boys or girls as others. are you using them or is your, your router is literally you. this is going to impose severe cost on the russian economy of immediately. and over top of that, i'm there a little bit of this all the emeralds, van williams and the opposite.