ah, ah, a wealthy tools are quite when it comes to the russian turkish relationship. one praise that they needed to come to mind is keep your friends close and enemies even closer. having fought more wars between them than any other pair of countries in your asia. moscow and anchor i once again involved in a very intricate dance over ukraine. what does truck is tag there? well, to discuss, but i'm now joined by use of all of our returns colonel of the turkish army and the

security analyst. mr. albert is great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. i get it from your recent writing that you find russia's actions in ukraine, pretty distasteful. you called it. the return of russian tsar isn't suggesting that it was more about doubling up the land and then securing the country's national interest. a turkish troops for a number of years have been present in syria, which is also somewhere in state. your army conducted a civil corporations there, despite the very clear objections of the sitting government. what is the difference here between church and defending its interest in syria and russia to funding it's interesting in ukraine. 30 not started the inmate syria because there are numerous terrorist attacks which is resorting by everyone because not that it's an issue that is

a sort of issue which is accepted by everyone. 30 is being attacked by p k. k i. the g forces from the border for this isn't the turkish operations on the more little syria is limited on the with 2025, you know, meet their stuff from order in order to secure the area. and turkish troops are not securing the area about the sodium ports. us now are securing the area which call themselves as it pretty story. an army coordinator is in the turkish operations, let's say on and just getting the border security with a very limited depth insight. the sodium border, not that operation. you know, the copier. i left for the my school and the other cities. but what is it? i'm sure you remember, and i remember that for sure is a workers funding. they cover that from the ground. it is true that the for now the

trick is present to present limited to about i think, $15000.00 trucks and it's mostly alongside the truck is going, but used to be much larger. as you know, i'm sure you're afraid of the russian allegation supported by the satellite images jerky was running a lot of time. well, what should i say? contraband oil operations in that country. its presence is presence. not only a military, most commercial presence and political presence used to be much larger in french, don't you think so? jackie has a issues other than the mr. operations inside stories also limit the areas that are located near by the border. so the main difference between them is about securing the border. for example, let's give you an analogy that most co say is that if you create part of the space for a nato,

then the nato armaments including emanation santa reference systems, will be as close as 500 kilometers to moscow. and it is a huge security problem from the perspective of to russia. this can be discuss about maybe russia is right. but can you imagine that if 500 kilometers is a huge track to the security of russia, which ma'am we share might be acceptable. how can turkey let the y p g forces, which is sort of, especially by the united states just on the board? are we just shooting every day to the turkish cities? is acceptable. you mentioned me and i know that president arizona as well as many turkish and military analysts commented on nader's, present american presence in syria as detrimental to check the security in the

united states and nominally allies russia and the united states. i'm not a straight adversaries. that's written in all the strategic documents, at least as far as the american military doctrine goes. do you think that russia should have ignored made is increasing presence in ukraine not only present in terms of training soldiers, but also military it present, sending argument, conducting all sorts of psychological operations? what have you? i person said for in many different platforms. net crisis in between you crate and russia. could me proof beforehand if the ukraine say government official has a little sensitivity about what's going on in that area? for that reason, i certainly agreed that ukrainian overshoot google

it before the war has started and the claim that they will not be a particle nasal that's clear. and then throughout the war, i said it not only in your tv channel, in many different tv channels, that the war was me proactive. but it has me motivated by the west, a love that they will be a part of nato and european union. and new zelinski government is the motivated, high, the by the west. and if it, there they didn't, took in the lesson from the georgia and the guy of ukraine and ukrainians is giving a life less especially the european union, united states policies and the united unity of nato. for this reason,

i don't believe that russia has some security concerns as far as that nato is not friends allies off the russia, russia. but those alaska government is being highly motivated and they do to gain a lesson from his story. i want to ask you about another comment of yours and this elijah resurrection of russian. zara expansion. isn't your suggestion? i'm quoting you here. eastern europe and all the countries will undoubtedly still depression much more from now on. what exactly do you have in mind? from my point of perspective, if the security concern of russia is over, ukraine is opening away to the invasion of ukraine. and if the invasion becomes successful, then why there won't be any security threats from the bulk of countries to the

russia they balkan countries in order to pull the countries with. you mentioned, they are part of me though they are officially part of me. do you think russia, i mean, i think one of the distinctions in no. a military analyst and all the other kinds of analysts is that really to people tend to take into account, you know, the capacities of various actors to go outside and operations, given the scale of the challenge of russia and ukraine. you know, the military challenge, the social challenge, you know, all the western sanctions associated dc. russia has any resources, let alone motivation to convey that you suggested the baltic states or to even look aggressively that way for the, for that issue. i should take a look at what is me call new sites. russia. when i read the newspapers relate to those issues. when i read the commands analysis, there are many are presented. so duma also there are many party leaders

inside the russia which are stating that their goal is to prove and turn back to the border of night night to. so i was for that reason the term back to the night night to so and then why russia does not take into consideration that the baltic countries and the eastern european countries also shoot me off natal. i'm also reading the russian newspapers and there are many, many hours to suggest that russia should not try to undermine a state that ukraine needs to remain a sovereign state with certain cap is always the crime is not going back and there will be some independence or some special regime on like some, some special rules or functioning for the non boss region. but there are many russians who believe that russia has

a vital state in keeping ukraine as an independent country. i just want to point out that you know it be opinions that you're reading is not the only one that exist here. tell you that are keeping. the crania is a very high low state. let's say i'm a human gave very high, low commons position. so the boss vision might be a solution to the problem, which i also wrote that to my newspaper in the turkish, a newspaper because compromising requires her so i have no idea if rational side except the high note on, on premium park, which is obviously connected to the ukraine, but it has a very high autonomous status, which has its own troops on part, an immense but connected to create. and it might go near my 3 is older

solution, but i also you should you my right so that if the ukrainian side will accept this is not certain because then our the ukrainian side is ready to accept some issues. there are many bad news coming from the area, lack the butcher. for this reason, i am very clear that also you can find it in my twitter account. i says that from long if there are some shooting. thank links from death mom, anton, daryl me, some suspects who is trying to promote peace in the ukrainian side, which i am stating less because that the ether message, which i shared with the publish was very open. it was before the butcher,

just after i showed it, the butcher video started to spin over to the international media. then i said, aha, someone who is not wanting the piece. you said this is a game on the stage for that reason, i can believe that some compromises may bring the piece. but as mister laross said, after the po, in you stumble, the ukrainian side started to bring some extra issues to look cable, which i understand that he is a game being motivated by the rest in order not to accept. russia is all for now, you know, and i will answer about the charter issue because the issue that i wrote, the return of char, is not the same much you are telling. now what, what do you mean i'm telling? now i'm quoting from your article where you can just say that rashid motivated by

again, rather than security intra. if russia has time for those issue or this is the history, every country is eager to turn back to it is moved off base. i don't understand this perspective, it's just to be very western dominate, if you're suggesting that russia is leaving in the past and it wants to recreate itself where we are concerned. we'll do the future. the media presence, you represent a real security threat to russia. you should have nothing to do with arresting imperial russia or the somebody if you have to do with something to do with addressing need challenges and hasn't russian been quite being patient in that regard given how stubbornly need to have moved towards it. also you a couple of all those things are being discussed. miss i treasure, you know,

to turn back to the 1997. the nato, a large major russian 5 should ask to himself, why all the west east european eastern european countries such as bulgaria, romania. paul is trying to be part of the nato. they do not want to meet together with russia. i can answer that question for you right here. because when b entered, need are made in the european union was, are associated with prosperity. tricky also wanted to be part of me that people wanted to have been leading standards as in europe. that situation has changed. and if i have people in your group given a choice on their security options, i'm not quite sure that they would overwhelmingly support the membership of data. if you cannot explain the nathan umbrella for their protection,

for the eastern european countries on the for welfare, because they felt the soviet era till to launch. and they have some have freights from the russia for that reason. they want to be part of the nato. and go around the they are security especially from the russian expansion. the idea of which is coming from the soviet, you know, the prox spring and the other uprising and the soviet air pressure, or the capitol is all that. and eastern european countries, what it is, and they want to be part of nato, eagerly because of the phrase of russia expansion again to their home that they another issue. turkey is also part of the, as you said, if you take a look at why turkey became a part of nato,

we can go back and we can find that mr. molecule. the minister of foreign affairs, in the soviet time, clearly demanded some lance from turkey. in 1914, what is it? he pushed turkey himself to be a part of the nato. for this isn't russia, turkey, eastern european countries, best ukraine. everybody should learn from the historic. so. so what i believed that russia should make them really is that russia does not pause that threat for those com fees. well miss, on monday we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. mm. mm. are a

western politicians and they're pliant media have a single and terrifying message if russia is allowed to survive than democracy in the west itself will cease to exist. apparently we live in the most existential of times. in reality, the west is restoring the world order. it made a bad retired colonel of the turkish army and secure its analyst. we're talking about the situation in ukraine. all these countries that you mentioned, a turkey has a very singular, very specific security poster. it's a, it's, it's pretty unique. but the other countries a outsource that security to the united states. having seen what ukraine has done

and ukraine has extended itself, fully janina was the last one and one with russia. it's not being defended by nita. how do you think the culture of those eastern european countries will change from now on? do they have, will they have confidence in native security terms made those security deterrence is mean test that's with evasion of ukraine. so far the natal scott on is and especially united states got our european union countries go on to the ukraine, didn't work as i said it did in for closer in the georgia. so you could see beforehand, but goofy because they have no state who traditions. if they had some faith traditions like in the past climes, they could understand that the last will never be together with them. if they let

you on with your counseling by yourself, that is the history that showed us. it's very and you are by you are all with those countries is sensing lots of threats from the russian aggression inside you create for that reason the russian overshoot russian media also should move up in order to pursue that. for those countries that russia does not have an intention of meeting those countries. well, it's a respect, most of the russian media have been cut off when i was waiting them or anything is very difficult and i don't think rush and i really and i bring that, can i bring it group? this is the split news was lost on a time spelling that the international media insight turkey was under pressure.

but when it comes to present, now, me can say that only the turkey is the country that the international media, including the russian international media, can broadcast the lation of russian economy to some degree from the perspective of europe, which my country never parks, bates, them understandable, but who can tell me that poll, slow and low 50 is out of the curriculum. this is unacceptable. this is a typical restaurant of standing book is alicia. and me know that from the historic, this is the issue that i also envil k all the time in my country at tv shows. and also in my daily newspaper step, there are 2 pillars of the turkish foreign policy. one of them is the international law that it cannot be acceptable, the invasion of one country,

but the other side for the sake of europe. turkey shouldn't isolate and put some located to the russian side. you should keep are with relations while they're one of the situation is insight you credit for that reason. i do believe that having looked relational smith, russia, like in this area, we do not understand in every aspects in storia. we do not understand and a really each other, it every inch of in libya in the houses. but in both neither sister put in mr. alarm is successful for finding a solution area. when we look at that relationship and then put an ad on it or russian, it's a very complicated relationship with fraud. but as you said, that your countries and if you really have been able to find difficult compromises

and a few years back, one question was asked specifically about and on. and it was right in the middle, the syrian war shortly after the church shut down the russian plane. he said that if he and mister and on agreed on something there was a hi chantelle not being realized that you could trust areas on what is the same way to mr. lansky or it if that meeting ever comes about couldn't zalinski agree on anything? can you really deliver what he promises? you know, to keep your promise you should be in depends what happens in pakistan. you can see that just for the sake of visiting moscow, the president in ron ha, now beach couple down by an interaction which is supported by the american operations. that is very clear because we know it from our story. for that reason,

if you ask me, mister booker will keep it as promised. news. also believe that mister zalesky will keep this promise. i cannot say yes. why? because i do not believe that the last to go mister zalinski is very free to take is all decisions. that is the issue that we should discuss in the next coming days for the peace process talking. as mr. larosa i mentioned a couple of minutes ago, says that zaleski government started the brand new issues to the table after the stumble funnel. so this is unacceptable. for that reason mr. avalon is keeping it this promises, but he pay a lot, especially in his struggle insight or let me you an example. if mr. long was not successful, keeping it as leadership during the $515.00 july. could that i had them. mr. long

will not be able to sustain regulation with mr. miller than their book in traffic history. many prime minister has been coupled on from the government. the american human intervention isn't just because keeping was relational. so yes and nothing changed. look at pakistan. look at that in july at them inside 30 for that reason. turkey paid lots of price in order to establish if free foreign policy. and now me are getting the advantage that turkey is a long can establishment relations in moscow. but now you take a look at what the less and the turkish opposition clearly and locates got all your relations, do not fall with russia. apply all the sanction,

spoke russia. what happened inside i'm gonna, you know, very well the, and mr as me killed. the only reason that the russian embassy there has been as a snake in the capital city of turkey, is just to break the relations with relations with russia. that's a, that's a very important issue to raise because tricky, obviously plays not only diplomatic or plays in. busy in this company, but it also has a very important military role as the guardian on the, on the street. i know that a minister of defense attorney will not allow native military ships into the black sea. he also speculated that he, what he said, that he can exclude the possibility that all those mines that have been appearing in the black seniors, the turkish water, has been brought there by those who want neither ships to go through the trade in

value even contemplated. i wonder what is the state of trust between turn can name or if your own minister defines allows for thought that you know, some of you need to alice can bring several 100 minus 2 to your sure. ok, this is very vote and also the mines which came from the most service is a huge threat for the international trade. but before the war has thought, one of the former commander off the nato, which is responsible from the defense of the europe, as clearly says that turkey should close straits. the all you look trading ships. and i said, we should take a look at the history in 1942 german ships. trespass from the last 4 sounded darlena and mom, the cities of russia and me and geisha war

b feel rush on of them on empire. and they asked me last night to thousands of our soldiers. why? because there were 2 adventurous, 3 adventurous guys who was ruling bought them on empire. and they were not a comfortable today or nation. and i asked this time you have now no chance because mr. i long and now we're less lucky because closing straight even for the trading and ships means that turkey should fight with russia, ukraine and other black sea sharing. one says of, i don't believe that nato is trying to be a part inside the black sea, but there is a monster convention which turkey clearly applied that convention niche to nato countries. and the less does not want. durkee applies that launch up on my sheet

over sheila, turkey is an ally with but i can say that in 2022 turkey knows very well that in every security issue, turkey should on the defense, it is all forced available that we have to leave it here, thank you very much for your inside. i really it. thank you very much and thank you for watching cold this year again next week with with

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