oh well, it shows the wrong one. i just don't know any world. yes to save out. disdain becomes the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds, the more we choose to look for common ground. ah ah. hello and welcome to crossed out. were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle, western politicians and they're pliant. media have a single and terrifying message if russia is allowed to survive than democracy in

the west itself will cease to exist. apparently we live in the most existential of times. in reality, the west is restoring the world order. it made cross sucking globalization. i'm joined by my guess, ramsey by road in seattle. he's a palestinian authoring journalist in washington. we have no bush mileage. he is a blogger, and columnist, and atlanta we crossed to ben swan. he's an investigative journalist, and founder of sovereign dot media or a gentleman crossed sack rose in effect. that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate ramsey, you got up the earliest, so you get to get 1st question here, much appreciated literally on the other side of the world for me right now, i can kind of paraphrase and i'm i'm just a talk show host here, but it seems like the west is willing to destroy the rules based order to save it. ok, because everything they're doing is contradictory to what they claim is

a rules based order. go ahead in seattle. thank you. people. i think this is really the why is it, is this with the referred to as was based order? was we ever you rules based order? so and as if you were that you claim, i think it's always been a claim and i think it's always been a fraudulent claim. the fact is, what is so upsetting to the washington consensus and to me, so is the fact that after the collapse of the soviet union, we are seeing some kind of resurgence on the global stage. it turned out as for your whole, grandma has said was that this is the, the history well, it turned out that history did not, and that history is in constant motion. and we have countries such as russia, china and india, others who are willing to challenge this global. he, tommy, now the americans are insisting that we want to take the world back to some sort of

a time in which the la math or the democracy was, you know, really supreme all over the world. well it would someone, please just highlight an example of this claim, where was american rules are when they carry out the invasion and genocide in iraq or the wars leadership from behind. you will in lithia or syria, there's a whole for the warning and are numerous. are examples, so if this is a rules based order, we'll these are terrible rules. we should be change should be change. yeah. well some people make the rules and other people have to abide by them. apparently, the by having, are you in washington here at the same question, but asked in a different way? is this iteration of globalization reached its limits? because it seems to me that the western powers, they know that they, they've had a brick wall when it comes to russia. and we can look at the example of what's

going on in ukraine, and they need to tighten down the hatches as it were. it's either you're with us or against us here, because they know that they've reached the limits of their power. and so getting all your ducks lined up on your side is the 1st order before they go on with the i guess globalization 2 point. oh, which means to is a, is to break down the rest of the world. i mean, i think it's widely believed by people that are thinking is that russia was supposed to be the 1st pen to drop, then it was going to be china. it didn't work out so well ahead and washington not at all. i would actually say that the biggest tell of weird west is right now is the cognitive rhetoric and kind of policy prescriptions is that they were using back in 1999. the gaps was flavio serbia. this is literally the same exact foreign policy and military policy as was practice back then. it's not very surprising because joe biden is nearly 80 the leadership of democratic party. and more importantly, the for policy leadership is just as geriatric. so to speak,

and they literally don't know anything else. they don't have any of their vision and they're still talking about rules based order democracies. see, you know, united international community on the list of the world has moved on. it's been 20 years more than 20 years. and the people have paid attention, economies have shifted, trade has shifted power balances have shifted. military affairs have shifted what there's been weapons development that the, that the u. s. military doesn't, doesn't even understand. and so there, there are clearly a misunderstanding completely, the global situation and trying to just paper that over with narratives on one hand, i just want to kind of shake them up and say, do you even pay attention to things? but on the other hand, i remember that great quote attributed to napoleon, never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake, because they were really making a colossal mistake. and then basically the same question to you, because when we look at this whole sanction mania and secondary sanctions that's

alienating almost the entire world, okay. and, and be looking at commodity prices and all that. countries have to take in consideration their own national interests, not just to make washington and brussels happy. and this is the brick wall that they're hitting ok. and on top of it, they're hurting their own populations. go ahead, been while they are hurting their own population. certainly here in the united states, our population is hurting terribly because of the sanctions. and we're being told over and over that it is somehow a know to do chrissy right. it is our duty our to our responsibility on the world stage to have gas prices that are astronomically high for the price of food to be skyrocketing. in fact, we're watching the biden administration right now, putting out new numbers about inflation and the rise of costs and warning in advance that they're going to be extraordinarily high. right? and so the idea that this is all coming about it as a result of ukraine is nonsense, but one of the misnomers of sanctions has been that there was going to be this move

that came about as a result of having the international community. all of it step up alongside the united states and step up alongside ukraine and that russia would be in the words of president biden, would be isolated and alone. the problem is, they're not isolated and they're not alone because china never came on board with this indian never came on board with this. brazil's never come on board with this. the bricks, nation, the largest economies in the world outside of the united states have all said we're going to take a pass on this. and so the ability to actually have teeth in those sanctions has not been with the, by the ministration. but it would be simply because other nations around the world are standing together to say this idea of bullying. the rest of the world through sanctions has come to an end. well, i mean, isolated and alone ramsey in in seattle, i think of europe is being isolated and alone as we go through this here. i mean i, it's really remarkable the self inflicted wounds. a bit over at something called democracy in ukraine, which is a joke on its face, but we don't,

we will have that as a different topic another time. but i mean, i centrally what western polities are being asked for the 1st time since the 2nd world war choose between gasoline and food. is that a choice that people voted for? go ahead and seattle. this is, the irony is all this idea. sanctions are going to work. usually sensors are used to, to me purposes number one, would you change and we know that this is not going to be happening any time soon. nor did is ashley hadn't been as well that you are the b o, syria. and the only reason is containment is to isolate and to so called contain certain countries to letter id on user ideas directory was not so into other countries. now this is not going to work in the case of russia at all. i visited iraq in the height of the american sanctions in 19 nineties. and i remember i went to buy a cup of coffee and i had to pay with several millions of iraqi dinars because that,

you know, it was deemed valued to the point that people would not count their money. and when he would actually weigh them yet when a scale. now these are the same thing is going to happen in russia. the nobles going to collapse and, and the american bar, you know, dollar is going to once, once again, in most dominant. but that actually did not happen the rural recovery and is now stabilizing. so if, if that tool is, which is the most powerful to isolate countries, is not working in russia? well, what else do they have in their disposal? what can they actually do to isolate fresh? i don't think this new possible at all. in fact, the opposite is true. in the bush and their bush, i am. the sanctions were supposed to be a deterrent. it didn't work. sanctions after the conflict in ukraine, sorry, was supposed to change behavior hasn't changed behavior. the only thing that's changed is a deal dollarization of the global economy. that's what's happening in

a boy. so go ahead in washington. the whole thing has been a basically them had holding a pair of deuces and claiming to have a royal flush all along. i mean biden's jumping in its own mouth every day. so he says, oh sanctions were never meant to be returned and, and people pull up a list of clips in which everybody from him to blink in a saying exactly that, you know, that they're trying to read on this thing because they're to miss getting away from him and the narrative is all they have fee backlash from this has been spectacular . it's basically the american empire, such as it is that i've spoken about for years. it relies on perception that is the most trustworthy, the strongest, the most economically powerful in world. and right now with these sanctions, the embargo is really it's showing to the rest of the world that it is not trustworthy. that it is not in fact power for and that the economic consequences are very real or showing how weak it's actual economy as opposed to the narrative

economy really is. i mean, you have china saying, wait a 2nd. you've confiscated venezuelan as you've robbed iraq. you seized, i've got to stands for reserves, you know, you're trying to steal from russia. your number one economic. busy between the world, they said this on tuesday, i mean, this is pretty unambiguous. this is not, you know, chinese, you're usually more circumspect than this. if it's out there for the entire world to see how can you be the world's fee at currency, when nobody has faith in your currency anymore or in the goodwill of your government. there's been literally done this to themselves and for what you crave. okay, we'll talk about that in a 2nd. have been when we have one minute before we go to the break. i saw you not go had been well, i think the important point there, and it's absolutely accurate is that the u. s. has relied on its dominance is the world's reserve currency with the us dollar for generations now. and really since world war 2 that has been the world's reserve currency. the problem is, is that at some point, the us decided to weaponized that currency and use it as a,

as a military weapon against countries that doesn't like. and you could only play that card for so long until the rest of the world realizes what you're doing and makes moves to unseat you from that position of power. that's what we're witnessing in real time. or also we have b dollars. weapon is using the dollars a weapon against friends as well, not just enemies. this whole idea rami this back to the rules based order. and yet they do not hesitate to use their financial muscle to contain isolate and destroy anyone that would stand in that way. even dictators like egypt for example, i assume the are spring, the money that is competed from these countries, there are yet to be returned. so these countries in this process started will

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so welcome back to cross stock. we're all things considered on peter roosevelt room and you were discussing globalization. ah, okay, let's go back to washington d. c. there's moisture, let's say i have no illusions. hey, we haven't talked a lot about globalization, which is very valuable conversation. but this is a war against russia. this is a western war against russia minus so far, new killer weapons, but everything else is out there. okay. and irrespective of what happens in ukraine, because i don't think, well american policy makers give a hoot about ukraine one way or another, as long as it's a cudgel. okay. those the sanctions against russia will never be lifted, particularly by the americans. maybe the europeans will, you know, they'll bill change their mood, but the americans, you know, when they, when they, when they put down a sanction they almost never lift it. okay. and irrespective of what happens in

ukraine, the struggle continues, and i think that's what you know. i know you've been saying that a long time, i've been saying it a long time here, but now we're getting ample proof of this. go ahead in washington. that's. that's the problem of ramsey mentioned, you know, you can then ben did this, well, you can do this for a while, but at some point you run out of good a good will. you know, the, all that it was you can take the money and run, but you can only do it once. well, the americans have gotten away with it repeatedly as we've seen. but i do think at this point they've reached a hard stop because again, the world isn't such a state that the washington has been trying to ruin. since the early ninety's, as the sole superpower the dictates to everybody would be, must or must not do. and you had the situation where in, in early february you had all of these, you as officials for every sovereign country has the right to choose. but the

moment the kinetic warfare st kicked off, they turned to, well, you must to just about every country, you know, they go to india and say, you must do this, they go to china to, you must do this. they go to africa, you must. so wait a 2nd, what happened to the evers over country has the right to choose? oh, you don't actually believe that you believe that every country has the right fully to submit to your dictates? well, guess what? the rest of the world's going to get up and say no, because somebody in this case, russia is actually successfully resisting this. and that's the thing, you know. human psychology is not a terribly complex thing. people are inclined to suffer while the suffering is endurable. so. so to speak, but once somebody starts to rebel, when somebody's, you know, gets up and says, no more, people will follow. and i'm not saying necessarily that's what russia in to do. i'm not him, let me put his head. i don't know what he's thinking. what i'm, what i'm seeing is how the world is reacting to this. and you have all of these

countries going, you've bullied us enough. no more. and it's a huge self all by the us establishment, which again, is not entirely unexpected because these are, these are old people. what vision, who like any sort of animating ideology in are basically weren't real micro waiving the cold war tropes that they have up with. it and then, you know, i guess the voice, our friend here is the only person saying he's not in vladimir putin said, because everybody else seems to know. i've always saw that really bizarre. russia is military adventure. ukraine is failing. how do you know what is their plan? nobody, i mean, it's just ridiculous and, and say, but, you know, been, and i mean, how is this being sold to western audiences? i mean, i've always said, maybe i'm wrong. but, you know, when you say this is all for democracy, that's only with the people inside the beltway, say nobody else really believes it. ok, i don't think they actually believe it. it's, it's, it's, it's their cover for everything that we've talked about in this program. go ahead been, well i, i think that most people would agree that it's because that's just

a slogan, right? it's about democracy, ukraine, i stand with ukraine, they'll paint their fingernails, ukrainian flag colors. you can do all that until you realize that. now at the end of the month, you don't have enough paycheck for the bills that you have because your gasoline costs are so high and your food costs are so high and your energy costs are so high and you say, wait a minute is all this. so high because of a war and ukraine and all of a sudden carrying about that democracy across the world will dissipate very quickly . but i will take an unpopular opinion here about sanctions. i would say that i believe the u. s. will lift sanctions on rush. i believe that will happen and you can have a back on if i'm right or wrong. good friends, me the way. but here's what i believe. i believe it will happen because the u. s. has to say face, at this point anthony, blinking the secretary of state just said recently that they are the u. s. is already looking that if there is an end to this, that we understand that part of that means lifting sanctions on russia. why would you say that, as you said, that is actually historically unprecedented. the united states does not do that in unless, unless you need to save face for the fact that the sanctions didn't work. remember

the by the administration said that this was about deterrence and then it didn't work. then they said it's about punishing couldn't, but that hasn't worked. so if this comes to we and as the u. s, is able to say we will withdraw sanctions. they could take a victory, lack of the biden administration and say, see, we didn't have to fire a bullet. we didn't have to sit in us over, even though they've done all those things. we don't have to do that because instead what we can do is we just use sanctions, we use the power and the leverage of a unified western world. and so their goal is going to be to salvage the idea of utilizing sanctions. if they leave sanctions on, and russia continues to thrive with other countries. trade with china, trade with india, trade with brazil, venezuela. iran. if, if russia is able to do that, they are proving a blueprint for how us sanctions policy has failed. so i believe that the u. s. will do with the safest. well, that is a very interesting, that's one of the most interesting propositions i've ever heard in the history of this program on a throw it to ramsey and seattle. i, i,

that's fascinating. what ben is having to say, but i've never seen the empire say, sorry, i've never seen the empire say they were wrong. i've never seen them do this. okay, look, we had victoria new and in the obama administration, you know, she's back to do finish her job. okay. these people are fanatics, they are ideologically possessed. they're never going to say, sorry, ok. and again, i've never seen the, has the us ever said, sorry to southeast asia for its war there. they had the same to the middle east, or they said it to the, to the palestinians. they said it to the syrians, i go on and on. i don't have enough time for all the people. so it's an interesting proposition. do you think bens right, ramsey go ahead? now, i think is lilian just so? yeah, but i think these are changing time. so i think even for the americans themselves, this is an uncharted territory because this, remember american, the u. s. either instigates all are directly or indirectly conflicts. so the always prepare for the narrative that goes with these concepts. we call this in academia

superstructures, meaning that they create the language, the create, the move, the thinking to bring the coffee has to articulate american agenda and the whole world has response to that, respond to that. but this is different because because for the 1st time it was another country that was actually taking action and not just that coming with them on superstructures coming on and, and was in the meeting between lab row and why he, that was a very important meeting. much 30 i, you know, based simple discourse analysis of the kind of terminology used by these 2 leaders . this book of a multi polar world do crack world world war for a should striving piece, holding the security. and they lost priority was position for huge army, meaning u. s. was a huge army. so it means that those who have are losing this you as you, germany, are actually responding, articulating a whole new language and are not waiting for the americans to take initiatives in

order for them to respond. this is why i'm saying that this is a, this is a new reality. even the americans themselves doing ashley hello term plan. oh, knowing how to deal with the possible outcomes of this. you know, no i, i before i went into media, i worked in finance and i was always told, never say this time it will be different. ok, that's kind of a rule. i mean i got one for life here. what do you think about the possibility of that? and i don't want to be cryptic here, but i think you'll know what i mean. can we finally retire appeasement in munich and all of this because this is what band and ramsey are saying, you know, i mean, appeasement here. i mean, it, all you have to do is, you know, pull out all how many 51, a intelligence professional saying that, you know, the laptop wasn't real or the same, 51 going to come out and say, yes, we have the totally reassess the global order i don't see it happening, but i'd love to be wrong. go ahead. they will not admit it, but never underestimate the power of the american media complex to spin

a narrative to their, to their liking and make themselves out as as victorious. i think what been said does it does look like it possible, i'm not sure how likely, but it does look possible because what's going to, what is more likely to happen is once things starch, the wheels off the bus start falling off and you know, the couple of people left in washington, but any brain cells realize that the u. s. had gemini is falling apart. they will go real quick, get another narrative, how we really one. and they will try to paint this as oh, you know, it was really a great victory. you see like they've done with everything else domestically. i'm not sure if you'll be able to sell this narrative overseas. but again, to them everything is narrative, everything is spin, it doesn't matter what reality is. it only matters would be, you know, blunder through the media and that's how they've been functioning for decades. now, obviously, you know, that's,

that's sort of distinction is the heart of the current conflicts. you have calling the west and empire of life and, and try, you know, and other countries going way to 2nd. what is real matters, what is feel does not. and so it's a clash between reality and, and the fake and, you know, the american empire is default response as well. just let's just made up more fig stuff to, to deal paid ourselves as, as the perpetual winners. and again, this is how i see the possibility of what been said actually company through. they'll say, oh that we've really one. here's what we're going to do when everything's going to be okay. so your, what you're saying is that they're going to paula to tara page from the romans. you know, no matter what the situation is, just declare victory and go home, ben. yeah, you're, you're not in your head because this is, you are the and the 0. that was my what is your thesis? so defendant go ahead. right. i was gonna say that was my point. i never said that they would say, sorry, right. i, i heard that were being used rather fair enough. they're never say, sorry,

what they have to say is we one and they also have to lift those sanctions at some point because of the costs associated. we talk a lot about gas in the cost of gasoline, but there's so much more the, the biggest cost is going to be passed on to the american consumer. in the next couple of months is going to be the cost of fertilizer, the most of the urea, fertilizer that comes from russia that was supposed to go to american farmers is not reaching them. that means the cost of fertilizer, which has to happen $2.00 to $3.00 times a year on commercial farms, has triple quadrupled and price. that cost is being passed on to restaurants as being passed on to consumers in a couple of months when you go to the grocery store and yet there's other food shortages here or food is beyond the ability of most people to be able to purchase it. the u. s. has to fix that. they can't just say democracy and people be ok with it. does it? people are ok with being involved in foreign entanglements in the united states because war does not come here since, since going all the way back to the korean and vietnam wars, right,

there is no real price paid at home for all the wars and the war machines the united states is launched. this is the 1st war where there is of price it's about to be paid at home in terms of the economic costs, and americans are very fickle. they will move on very quickly and they will abandon the idea of this is a just cause if it's hurting their personal life, the buy new ministration won't be able to survive that. they know they have to lift the sanctions, but they have to simultaneously take a victory lap and the media will allow them to do that. they'll say see, this is the, the peaceful strategy, the calm, cool headed biden versus the frantic crazy p n. and look, we why a half and be able to say all of these people that got us into this mess will somehow probably find themselves promoted upward. proud. is that what happens? are as all the time we have gentlemen many thanks. so my guess in washington, seattle and in atlanta, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our tc a next time. remember cross i'm

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