obama's protect his own existence with ah, ah ah. hello and welcome to cross dog. we're all things considered. i'm peter lavelle, western politicians and they're pliant media have a single and terrifying message if russia is allowed to survive than democracy in the west itself will cease to exist. apparently, we live in the most existential of times. in reality, the west is restoring the world order. it made

cross sucking globalization. i'm joined by my guess, ramsey by road in seattle. he's a palestinian author in journalists in washington. we have no boyish mileage. he is a blogger, and columnist, and atlanta. we crossed to ben swan, he's an investigative journalist, and founder of sovereign dot media or a gentleman, cross sack rules in effect. that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate ramsey, you got up there earlier, so you get the get 1st question here, much appreciated literally on the other side of the world for me right now, if i can kind of paraphrase and i'm, i'm just a talk show host here, but it seems like the west is willing to destroy the rules based order to save it. okay. because everything they're doing is contradictory to what they claim is rules based order. go ahead in seattle. thank you. people, i think this is really the way it is. this will be referred to as was based order once we ever rules based order. so, and as if you were that you say, i think always be clean and i think it's always been

a fraudulent clean. the fact is, what is so upsetting to the washington consensus and to natal is the fact that after the collapse of this will get union, we are seeing some kind of resurgence on the global stage. it turns out, as for your hope, yamaha said, was that this is the history. well, it turned out that history did not, and that history is in constant motion. and we have countries such as russia, china and india, others who are willing to challenge this global, huge army. now the americans are insisting that we want to take the world back to some sort of a time in which the lar, math or the democracy was, you know, really supreme all over the world will, is when someone please. just highlight an example of this claim, where was american rules will be carried out the invasion and genocide in iraq or

the wars leadership from behind. you will in libya or syria, there's a whole for the war in yemen and are numerous are examples. so if this is a rules based order, we'll these are terrible rules, we should be change, it should be change. yeah, well, some people make the rules that other people have to abide by them. apparently, the boys have anger you in washington here at the same question, but asked in a different way. is this iteration of globalization reached its limits? because it seems to me that the western powers, they know that they, they've had a brick wall when it comes to russia. and we can look at the example of what's going on in ukraine. and they need to tighten down that the hatches as it were. a, it's either you're with us or against us here because i know that they've reached the limits of their power. and so getting all your ducks lined up on your side is the 1st order before they go on with the, i guess globalization, a 2 point. oh wow,

means to is, is to break down the rest of the world. i mean, i think it's widely believed by people that are thinking as it rush, it was supposed to be the 1st pen to drop, then it was going to be china. it didn't work out so well. go ahead and washington not at all. i would we actually say that the biggest tell of weird west is right now is the kind of rhetoric and kind of policy prescriptions that they were using back in 1999. the gaps was flavio, give the serbia. this is literally the same exact foreign policy and military policy as was practice back then. it's not very surprising because joe biden is nearly 80, the leadership of democratic party. and more importantly, the foreign policy leadership is just as geriatric, so to speak. and they literally don't know anything else. they don't have any other vision. they're still talking about rules based order democracies. so, you know, united international community on the list of the world has moved on. it's been 20 years more than 20 years. and the people have paid attention,

economies have shifted, trade has shifted power balances have shifted. military affairs have shifted what there's been weapons development that the, that the u. s. military doesn't, doesn't even understand. and so there, there are clearly misunderstanding completely the global situation and trying to just paper that over with narratives on one hand, i just want to kind of shake them up and say, do you even pay attention to things? but on the other hand, i remember that great quote attributed to napoleon, never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake, because they were really making a colossal mistake. yeah. then basically the same question to you because when we look at the, this whole sanction mania and secretary sanctions that's alienating almost the entire world. okay. and, and because you know, looking at commodity prices and all that, countries have to take in consideration their own national interest not just to make washington and brussels happy. and this is the brick wall that they're hitting ok. and on top of it, they're hurting their own pop nations. go had been, well,

they are heard in their own population. certainly here in the united states, our population is hurting terribly because of these sanctions. and we're being told over and over that it is somehow a no to democracy, right? it is our duty our, it's our responsibility on the world stage to have gas prices that are astronomically high for the price of food to be skyrocketed. in fact, we're watching the, by the ministration right now, putting out new numbers about inflation and the rise of costs and warning in advance that they're going to be extraordinarily high. right? and so the idea that this is all coming about it as a result of ukraine's is nonsense. but one of the misnomers of sanctions has been that there was going to be this move that came about as a result of having the international community. all of it step up alongside the united states and step up alongside ukraine and that russia would be in the words of president biden, would be isolated and alone. the problem is, they're not isolated and they're not alone because china never came on board with

this indian never came on board with this. brazil's never come on board with this. the bricks, nations, the largest economies in the world outside of the united states have all said we're going to take a pass on this. and so the ability to actually have teeth in those sanctions has not been with the, by the administration. but it would be simply because other nations around the world are standing together to say this idea of bullying. the rest of the world through sanctions has come to an end. well, i mean i selected it alone, ramsey and in seattle, i think of europe is being isolated and alone as we go through this here. i mean i, it's really remarkable the self inflicted wounds. a bit over at something called democracy in ukraine, which is a joke on its face, but we don't, we'll have that as a different topic another time. but i mean, i, our essentially what western policies are being asked for the 1st time since the 2nd world war, choose between gasoline and food. is that a choice that people voted for? go ahead and seattle. this is the irony of is all this idea. the sanctions are

gonna work. usually sensors are used for to, to me purposes number one, would you change? and we know that this is not going to be happening. russia any time soon, nor did it actually happened, but as well that iraq, syria, and the other reason is containment is to isolate and to so called contain certain countries. so the ideologies or ideas, a rhetoric fell into other countries. now this is not going to work in the case of russia, as all i visited, iraq and the height of the american sanctions in 19 nineties. and i remember i want to buy a cup of coffee and i had to pay with several millions of iraqis in ours because that was deemed valued to the point that people would not count their money anymore . we would actually weighed them yet when a scale. now these are the same thing is going to happen in russia. the nobles going to collapse and, and the american bar dollar is going to,

once again in most dong. but that actually does not happen. the rubel recovers and is now stabilizing. so if, if that tool is, which is the most powerful to isolate countries, is not working in russia. well, what else do they have in their disposal? what can they actually do to isolate fresh? i don't think this new possible at all. in fact, the opposite is true in the bush and devotion and sanctions were, are supposed to be a deterrent. it didn't work. sanctions after the conflict in ukraine, sorry, was supposed to change behavior hasn't changed behavior. the only thing that's changed is a deal dollarization of the global economy. that's what's happening. nobody should go ahead and watch into. the whole thing has been a basically them had holding a pair of deuces and claiming to have a royal flush all along. i mean biden's jumping in its own mouth every day. he says, oh, sanctions were never meant to be a deterrent. and, and people pull up a list of clips in which everybody from him to blink in is saying, the actually that, you know,

they're trying to read on this thing because their job is getting away from it. and the narrative is all they have, the backlash from this has been spectacular. it's basically the american empire, such as it is that i've spoken about for years. it relies on perception that is the most trustworthy, the strongest, the most economically powerful in world. and right now with these sanctions, the embargoes really it's showing to the rest of the world that it is not trustworthy. that it is not in fact power for and that the economic consequences that are very real are showing how weak it's actual economy as opposed to the narrative economy. really is. i mean, you have china saying, wait a 2nd. you've confiscated venezuela. as you've robbed iran, you've seen that stands for reserves. you know, you're trying to steal from russia. you're to number one, economic band in the world. they said this on tuesday. i mean,

this is pretty big us, this is not, you know, chinese, you use more circumspect than this. if it's out there for the entire world to see how can you be the world's fear currency when nobody has faith in your currency anymore or into good will love your government. there's literally done this to themselves. and what? ok be great. okay, we'll talk about that in a 2nd. have ben when we have one minute before we go to the break, i saw you nodding, go ahead been, well, i think the important point there, and it's absolutely accurate is that the u. s. is relied on its dominance is the world's reserve currency with the us dollar for generations now. and really since world war 2 that has been the world's reserve currency. the problem is, is that at some point the u. s. decided to weaponized that currency and use it as a, as a military weapon against countries. it doesn't like. and you can only play that card for so long until the rest of the world realizes what you're doing and makes moves to unseat you from that position of power. that's what we're witnessing in real time. or also we have

b dollars. weapon is using the dollars a weapon against friends as well. not just enemies. this whole idea of properly this back to the rules based world order. and yet they do not hesitate to use their financial muscle to contain isolate and destroy anyone that would stand in that way. even if teachers like that, most of egypt, for example, i was following the are spring, the money that is completed from these countries. there are yet to be returned. so these countries, you know, that this process started will before, right? when they were that back, hold out that we got to go to a hard break and ask about hard break. we'll continue our discussion on globalization. stay with move. when i was showing wrong,

when old rules just don't hold any rules yet to see how this thing becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. who is the aggressor? to day? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. and um, but as constantly growing, i figure which of the problems to call soon as we speak on the new stadium, which the mine the will ship. we're banding all in ports of russian oil and gas, fuji. i mean, i know they panky overalls with lower with regard to joe

by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah, ah, welcome back to cross stack. we're all things are considered. i'm peter rebel true manager, we're discussing globalization. ah, okay, it's go back to washington d. c. there's moisture that's i have no illusions, hey, we've talked a lot about globalization, which is very valuable conversation. but this is a war against russia. this is a western war against russia minus so far, new killer weapons, but everything else is out there. okay. and irrespective of what happens in ukraine, because i don't think, well american policy makers give a hoot about ukraine one way or another, as long as it's

a cudgel. okay. those the sanctions against russia will never be lifted, particularly by the americans. maybe the europeans will change their mood, but the americans, you know, when they, when they, when they put down a sanction they almost never lifted. okay. and irrespective of what happens in ukraine, the struggle continues, and i think that's what you know. i know you've been saying that a long time, i've been saying it a long time here, but now we're getting ample proof of this. go ahead in washington. that's. that's the problem of ramsey mentioned. you know, you can then ben did this, well, you can do this for a while, but at some point you run out of good. a good will. you know, the old adage was you can take the money and run, but you can only do it once. well, the americans have gotten away with it repeatedly as we've seen. but i do think at this point they've reached a hard stop because, again, the world isn't such a state that the washington has been trying to ruin. since the early ninety's, as the sole superpower the dictates to everybody would be,

must or must not do. and you had the situation where in early february you had all of these you as officials for every sovereign country has the right to choose. but the moment the kinetic warfare are kicked off, they turned to, well, you must to just about every country, you know, they go to india and say, you must do this, they go to china to, you must do this. they go to africa, you must. so wait a 2nd, what happened to the average over and country has the right to choose? oh, you don't actually believe that you believe that every country has the right solely to submit to your dictates? well, guess what? the rest of the world's going to get up and say no, because somebody in this case, russia is actually successfully resisting this. and that's the thing, you know. human psychology is not a terribly complex thing when people are inclined to suffer while the suffering is endurable. so, so to speak, but once somebody starts to rebel, when somebody's,

you know, gets up and says, no more, people will follow. and i'm not saying necessarily, that's what russia aimed to do. i'm not letting me put this head. i don't know what he's thinking, but i'm, what i'm seeing is how the world is reacting to this. and you have all of these countries going. you bullied us enough? no more. and it's a huge self all by the us establishment, which again, is not entirely unexpected. because these are, these are old people what vision? cool, like any sort of animating ideology and are basically weren't real micro waiving the cold war tropes that they had worked with it been been, you know, i guess the bush, our friend here is the only person saying he's not in vladimir putin said because everybody else seems that know, i've always thought that really bizarre rushes military adventure ukraine is failing. how do you know what is their plan? nobody, i mean, it's just ridiculous and, and say, but, you know, been, and i mean, how is this being sold to western audiences? i mean, i've always said, maybe i'm wrong, but you know, when you say this is all for democracy,

that's only with the people inside the beltway, say nobody else really believes it. ok, i don't think they actually believe it. it's, it's, it's, it's their cover for everything that we've talked about in this program got had been, well i, i think that most people would agree that it's because that's just a slogan, right? it's about democracy, ukraine. i stand with ukraine, they'll paint their fingernails, ukrainian flag colors. you can do all that until you realize that. now at the end of the month, you don't have enough paycheck for the bills that you have because your gasoline costs are so high and your food costs are so high and your energy costs are so high . and you say, wait a minute is all this. so high because of a worn ukraine and all of a sudden carrying about that democracy across the world will dissipate very quickly . but i will take an unpopular opinion here about sanctions. i would say that i believe the u. s. will lift sanctions on rush. i believe that will happen and you can have him back on if i'm right or wrong can good friends either way. but here's what i believe. i believe it will happen because the u. s. has to say face, at this point anthony, blinking the secretary of state just said recently that they are the u. s. is

already looking at, if there is an end to this, that we understand that part of that means that conversations on russia, why would you say that? as you said, that is actually historically unprecedented. the united states does not do that in unless, unless you need to save face for the fact that the sanctions didn't work. remember the by the administration said that this was about deterrence and then it didn't work. then they said it's about punishing couldn't. but that hasn't worked so if this comes to we and, and the u. s. is able to say we will withdraw sanctions, they can take a victory, lack of the biden administration and say, see, we didn't have to fire a bullet. we didn't have to sit in us over even though they done all those things. we don't have to do that because instead what we can do is we just use sanctions. we use the power and the leverage of a unified western world. and so their goal is going to be to salvage the idea of utilizing sanctions if they leave sanctions on. and russia continues to thrive with other countries. trade with china, trade with india, trade with brazil, venezuela. iran. if, if russia is able to do that, they are approving a blueprint for how us sanctions policy has failed. so i believe that the u. s.

will do with the same fits well, that is a very interesting, that's one of the most interesting propositions i've ever heard in the history of this program on a throw it to ramsey and seattle. i, i, that's fascinating. what ben is having to say, but i've never seen the empire say, sorry, i've never seen the empire say they were wrong. i've never seen them do this. ok, look, we have victoria new and in the obama administration, you know, she's back to do finish her job. okay. these people are fanatics, they are ideologically possess. they're never gonna say, sorry, ok. and again, i've never seen the, has the us ever said, sorry to southeast asia for its war there. they had the same to the middle east and they said it to the, to the palestinians. they said it to the syrians, i go on and on. i don't have enough time for all the people. so it's an interesting proposition. do you think bens right, ramsey go ahead? now, i think is lilian just so? yeah, but i think these are changing time. so i think even for the americans themselves, this is an uncharted territory because this, remember american,

the u. s. either instigates all i directly or indirectly conflicts. so the always prepare for the narrative that goes with these concepts, legal, this in academia, super structured, meaning that they create the language, the create, the move, the thinking to bring the coffee has to articulate american agenda and the whole world has response that respond to that but this is different because because for the 1st time it was another country that was actually taking action and not just that coming with them on superstructures. coming with the ordinance in the meeting between lab row and why he that was a very important meeting, much 30th i, you know, based simple discourse analysis of the kind of terminology used by these 2 leaders . the folk of a multi polar world do crack world a world of corporation striving piece, holding the security. and they lost priority was position for he, germany,

meaning m u s. was so he johnny, so it means that those who have are woozy, this you as you germany are ashley responding, articulating a whole new language and are not waiting for the americans to take initiatives in order for them to respond. this is why i'm saying that this is a, this is a new reality in the americans themselves. don't actually have a little term plan. oh, knowing how to deal with the possible outcomes of this. you know, no i, i, before i went into media, i worked in finance and i was always told, never say this time it will be different. okay. that's kind of a rule i actually bought for life here. what do you think about the possibility of that? and i don't want to be cryptic here, but i think you'll know what i mean. can we finally retire appeasement in munich and all of this because this is what band and ramsey are saying, you know, i mean, appeasement here. i mean, it, all you have to do is, you know, pull out all how many 51, a intelligence professional saying that, you know,

the laptop wasn't real or the same, 51 going to come out and say, yes, we have the totally reassess the global order i don't see it happening, but i'd love to be wrong. go ahead. they will not admit it, but never underestimate the power of the american media complex to spin a narrative to their, to their liking and make themselves out as as victorious. i think we've been said, does it does look like it possible. i'm not sure how likely, but it does look possible because what's going to, what is more likely to happen is once things start, the wheels off the bus start falling off and you know, the couple of people left in washington. but any brain cells realize that the u. s . had gemini, is falling apart. they will go real quick to get another narrative how we really want. and they will try to paint this as oh, you know, it was really a great victory. you see like they've been done with everything else domestically. i'm not sure if they'll be able to sell this narrative overseas. but again to them,

everything is narrative, everything is spin, it doesn't matter what reality is. it only matters would be, you know, blunder through the media and that's how they've been functioning for decades. now, obviously, you know, that's, that's sort of distinction is the heart of the current conflict. you have calling the west and empire of life and, and try, you know, and other countries going, wait a 2nd. what is real matters? what is feel does not. and so it's a clash between reality and, and the fake and, you know, the american empires default response as well. just let's just made up more fig stuff to, to deal, paint ourselves as, as the perpetual winners. and again, this is how i see the possibility of what been said actually coming through. they'll say, oh no, we've really one, here's what we're going to do when everything's going to be fine. okay. so your, what you're saying is that they're going to paula to tara page on the romans. you no doubt, no matter what the situation is, just declare victory and go home. ben. yeah,

you're here not in your head because this is your b and the 0. that was my one is, is your thesis. so defendant go ahead. right? i was gonna say that was my point. i never said that they would say sorry, right. i, i heard that word being used rather fair enough. they're never say, sorry, what they have to say is we one and they also have to lift those sanctions that some point because of the costs associated. we talk a lot about gas in the cost of gasoline, but there's so much more the biggest cost is going to be passed on to the american consumer. in the next couple of months is going to be the cost of fertilizer. the most of the urea, fertilizer that comes from russia that was supposed to go to american farmers is not reaching them. that means the cost of fertilizer, which has to happen $2.00 to $3.00 times a year on, on commercial farms has tripled, quadrupled and price. that cost is being passed on to restaurants as being passed on to consumers in a couple of months when you go to the grocery store and yet there's other food shortages here or food is beyond the, the ability of most people to be able to purchase it. the u. s. has to fix that. they can't just say democracy and people be okay with it. that people are ok with

being involved in foreign entanglements in the united states because war does not come here since, since going all the way back to the korean and vietnam wars. right. there is no real price paid at home for all the wars and the war machines, the united states is launched. this is the 1st war where there is a price, it's about to be paid at home in terms of the economic costs. and americans are very fickle, they will move on very quickly and they will abandon the idea of this is a just cause if it's hurting their personal life, the by the ministration won't be able to survive that. they know they have to lift the sanctions, but they have to simultaneously take a victory lap and the media will allow them to do that. they'll say see, this is the, the peaceful strategy, the calm, cool headed biden versus the frantic crazy p n. and look, we why a half and be able to say, and all of these people that got us into this mess will somehow probably find themselves promoted upward. proud. is that what happens as all the time we have gentlemen many thanks, mike gets in washington, seattle,

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