cherish rule marie has been found, stopped and defeated, ah lost more than 12. so you know, comparison decline, resort to torture, and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears. mm. mm. so paul

has interrogation techniques used by us. officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave note physical traces. it's an extremely destructive practice. torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering, but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy. and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades, so that there's nobody in this country who did grow up with some booky man,

some danger. first, it was communism. then it was terrorist for we are obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war, which the communist policies force had no doubt as the ca engage in any political activity or any intelligence there was not approved at the highest level. there was a concern that emerged at the 1st started the cold war in the late 19th for that. the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness that they knew how to apply

pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind. and it was that, that set off this whole pursuit that lead ultimately to the creation of the shies doctrine of psychological torture. this was the time of the brain washing scare. they were show trials in eastern europe, made hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that they hadn't committed or mm. most importantly was the child was cardinal months in sky and hungry. and jessica was already in an actual war 2 quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war,

he became the cardinal. and the primary church. they arrested him. they can find him, it was choose of being an aristocrat, it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church, a man known for his courage, not to pressure that if he could be broken, clearly, the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the cia reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing their concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques. in the 19 twenties and 900 ten's, using sleep deprivation exhaustion exercises,

all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american po, w's in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue and it didn't look like they had been talking during the korean more. what happened was that there were captain down american aviators, and there were around 30 pilots. the testimonies. there were 4 pilots, the broadcast on radio burgeon alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people. after the armistice, one, these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials . and they realized that they had been put through what was then called brainwash.

could you describe the method used by the communists? interrogated oh yes. i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture of a start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my faith flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my willpower to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control project starts in 250. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a,

a formal creation, a british finance american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral scientists. so these 3 countries, in order to kind of crack the code of human consciousness of medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some other more classified material on people that escaped from the soviet union and have been tortured in the survey in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with alan dell as the head of the cia and with the human ecology of son wolf offered to who does ca, essentially a friends in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered was $11.00 of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca,

doctrine of psychological torture, they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g, b a n k v d practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in a certain position, especially position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating, but nobody slain. thank you, finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah,

that was one of the techniques, the over technique they discovered was from the a, the biomedical research. there was dr. haves work, it was the chair of the psychology department, and mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong malott me. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch. all harsh lights subdued, biomass, comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of the students to take it for more than 24 and 48 hours. center deprivation really is a way of producing 3 monotony. it's a horrible experience getting worse and worse. somebody, somebody talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was once i'd been shed as bad as anything you had to hitler had

ever done to any of his son, teresa victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding, human contact is what makes us human. and a leg enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation, you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired, or that they came up a consult with the sa continue to work for them. is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on this project funded another guy, mcgill named dr. ellen cameron. what erin cameron did at elmwood city

was, was close to monstrous. i came in psychotherapy, i was just crying, crying cry, a hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. ah, you met that man. that cameron, that's you and cameron. yes, i met him and we were all was terrified of him. why? we all felt fear. we all had a fear of him and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, it would never, there was a patient with them. the patient was always screaming, ah, look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings,

except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at the point obviously is too great truck rather than fear a job with artificial intelligence. real, somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with with oh, is your media a reflection of reality in

the world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation for community. are you going the right way or are you being led to somewhere? direct? what is true? what is faith in the world corrupted. you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah ah. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race, his on offense, bearing dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how

that strategy will be successful, very difficult, time. time to sit down and talk in needs to come to russian state to never. i've stayed as i phone and ignore santini development. i'm not getting a group in 55 when. okay, so 9 is 25 speaking with we will van in the european union the kremlin. yup. machines. the state aren't russia to date and c, r t sport that even our video agency, roughly all band on youtube and pinterest cell with

these all the days and hours. oh, the occasion to says her un cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field. at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap, but oh, with lots of patients to work with last is subs that subjects with somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in ah, worth ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers and they

would be subjected to this bizarre urging of xtreme sensory deprivation isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it would play a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother, it's me. and he would blit the brain where lopes answer deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage blue. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the banner prolong basis along with what he called sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the say,

a buried behavior. the bad ideas, the ideas that were missing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas . electrical vasa therapy picked up and was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to war. the german army wasn't going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers, so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves until united states in the clinical note of march 23rd. 1962 confirms a 129 cities. cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november 1st november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. my sister rose

that was falsely acting strange, right. my mother decided to have, i decided to have the bill to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later, and the bathroom has shocked on me. i was in now on for 6 months and this would repeat yeah, over days and days and weeks and yeah, it's what you feel you have been through being the patent. yes, i guess and i say you in mariah and are different world or a race somehow could be yeah, well. 1 they don't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of di patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you

don't, you don't remember like i say if i ask you what were you, what stuff for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, i'm for that now. are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? i disperse, hospitalized. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in this sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in, and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i've saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that

to me because when i was the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, the, she is doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in bar counterintelligence, interrogation manual. oh hm. mm mm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensor deprivation. and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know,

knowing about, dissemination about is huge, send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual, like a resty or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and it seems that milligrams experiment was like in part of his project, when i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women, and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2. how is it possible? i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life. can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience? under what conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at year university.

the mower experiment very simply was assimilated torture. this was one. not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milligram had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to give him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment. in try to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages. as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments,

i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get that mad sake and there is i, i want to learn a life in a not we must go on until he's done with all the i'd refuse to take the responsibility and get her there are. and it's actually essential. as you continue teacher, there are still lending left here. i mean, ged, go ahead, get wrong. good. as to when in last i mean i was going to take the responsibility. if only have was that gentleman responsible for anything that happens here. continue with actually slow. wow. dad's truck music. answer glaze. wrong. ah 95 volts. dance. yes,

you did this simply with a very simple thing. putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the pilgrim experiment is embargo. the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in a good way. but what makes some people behave in a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and

let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students have a good aid prisoners. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants that behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating, lose also. abrupt was quick. it was just, you know, take him off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda,

which was supposed to be the de lauser. and i was led by the cell. what is embargo did was a very cheap knock off of the kind of thing that milligram was doing. not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get to. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. we were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison

guard that i could make myself back. and i was responsible for coming up with all of these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push out to do jumping jacks. i had never once stop to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah. a yeah, harms me. how did, how does it hard just to claim that people can be like, yeah, and let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced 1st hand. i read about it, i read a lot about it,

but i've never experienced it for i've never seen someone turn that way and i know you're a nice guy. you know, well, you envision, what would you have that? i don't know. oh. and is your media a reflection of reality in the world transformed what will make you feel safer? isolation for community, like, are you going the right way or are you being direct? what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted, you need to descend

a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah ah mister section is very easy to make. if you're very good, i did, for instance, if you work in the media and you know how to do it, you can do a very good job and manipulating public opinion. you can paint white and black. you can, you know, totally trust reality. and sometimes not even by lying, sometimes just by making what you want to pay or putting things in a certain order or putting human emotions into one side of the story while not giving a rational analysis of the whole picture. ah ah

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