ah, we're told one of the hallmarks of western liberalism is the idea and practice of dollars. more specifically, it is said we should not judge an individual or group based on their race color or creed. but that apparently doesn't apply when it comes to russians. bruce, a phobia is the new bigotry. oh, is your media a reflection of reality? in the world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation, community?

are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? direct? what is true? is faith in the world corrupted. you need to descend a join us in the depths will remain in the shallows. ah sean, thank you for agreeing to speak with us today. first of all, i want to ask you about the state of your health. ah. how are you? you're in captivity at the moment. so 1st of all, about your health home. okay. not too bad. of course, she worries from you from the front of nothing too serious. we're going to try to more to, to can use for someone to say 70 kids not to try to print. now the 2nd question,

1st about the circumstances surrounding your capture, new situation most that we were moving from one position to another phone to the 2nd where we were going. it was 30, i was the last tuesday morning, about 4 o'clock in the morning without. we moved to another position. we collected casualties and other soldiers on the right down when we got to the no, i assume which was the physician may recover ensued and mortars and a cross started shooting rockets that houses and around the area where you, where you read it was total confusion in the commanders and platoons just went off in different directions for some of us, how to try and keep our casualties up with the patient chime with their designated returns. but they, which is, are injured in bad age if they can, can pass jerry and then during that course of that time,

we lost contact with the main main platoon that we were with and long story short, we found lot small casual, teasing buildings in the house it's you know, coming out of trees and who couldn't keep up with the case of what was happening. i stayed with another medic and another medic to help her to the cost to the casualties. we put them in one of the subject matter. put them in one building or we had an arc, so no water, no idea where we were communications officer down. and so we then decided they don't then decide it's sean, look around for ukrainian troops around the area. it is sort of a 360 round can see anybody the medic sojourn woke back to where we came from. she conceded 40. so we were so stark when like for you know, which in life and i sure i'm the only day with an error. so i saw haven't see

a picture station on a village up in one corner, went out to see if i can find some more for some food. she industrials catches up until this village on the central avenue, utah street. can you tell us about your tenure from the start to the beginning in within the ukranian armed forces says starting with your rank perhaps. and how did you end up there? a social not just with the 1st battalion kind of marines from nickel. i'm just commit to the end of our last 6 months to my contract, so i've been there for sure and a half years when i'm there fast. and nothing spectacular just to be appeal was a my wife married a ukrainian in mario pushy, listing marianne full. so we were there and needed some work while the walla sun city school. i'm going to transition to university of carland to re carry

. so it works for 3 year stint in may raise our company background of working for 9 years. a lesson in the early ninety's is a big step, 30 years later to go back in there in this regular army. so over. but it was, were written a suffered language overseas when you try and he was very, very bad, much between matter. pacific russian sort of our understanding as russian is coming on. and that's where we ended up with what it was a sector normal check to talk. we kind of obviously rush and now coming in to play on the 20th. we'll certainly changed everything so. so this is where we're at with obviously stay with my unit. hm. and your needs to 30 minutes various and then

obviously we have to sign off and i really couldn't get out anyway, i wanted to show you that i've been married. who's been behind for yes, yes. yes, i want to go now so far in friends now and internet, you know, showing up, i've been working here in boston the last 8 years since the start of the conflict back here in 2014 and myself, i saw the children who were ripped apart the elderly by the shilling of the ukrainian army, just told me that you've lived there for 4 years. obviously you have the information that's a little bit different from what i've been getting on. obviously i'm reading everything that's happening in the western media having the language. but in your opinion, at the moment the, i realize the understand what's been happening to the people on the bus. i could

certainly feel, obviously myself, i've lost my house. i've lost lots of friends in the last 3 weeks. it's been a tori tortora throwing war is no good for any point in the day. i was kind of hoping it means could very look which sort of come to sort of some sort of attrition that we could solve. this is basically a yeah, i do. i've seen more before, i've been imposed here as well, and you know, it's 1962 with the united nation. so senior come on isn't good. at some point, there are 2 sorts to rule and different views, or i don't agree with everything with the policies ukraine put towards russian language and things like this. i don't agree with, but i wouldn't take up arms or discuss this in a whole lot. of course, but you know, my home is, this is a, my wife was essentially on this so

sorry, but yeah, i can certainly understand from a that's a with just to crowd for, for could say and damage it does to, to families and for i certainly understand what your call ranch i was in your unit or probably other foreigners that fought with you. of course many of them did not share your history, meaning that they don't have relatives here played like you and just trying to gauge. you know, there's sort of affiliations of the war here. what are they here for? if it's purity soldiers of fortune, is it for the money? is it's ideological. is it possible to gauge their involvement of what's going on here? there isn't as many people seem to think there's 2 in our unit. he's met you

crying and studies enjoying the rain. i can as many as everybody knows myself, merit and there isn't as many foreigners as people seem to think when the launch became status. tennessee's 1st came is flat and then what is really interested in coming or there's, there's a very few foreigners thing that, you know, we found there is a network of lot x, pat. sheena who took the most of them, are gone home, or any ne feel for that is still a cellphone editor included. and they will marriage to, to you crying. so i don't know anybody to come out, right? yeah, there are people that do come over there. some are running away from things, some are programs on some just want to share with dan, from the adventure. and you know,

you can get those. some are actually believes that the course, you know, so it comes in degree. so of practice, what people still fall into clearly, i mean, yeah, i don't know how many here now since orders. you can stats it can last page, that's what it should probably may have changed. now i don't know, i've not had any information or any wife or i have no idea what's going on in the world. what's happening? you cry where it stands to the last 5 or 6 weeks because i've been on a position in marietta and i've been in the hospital because obviously i'm a bomb, went off quite close to where i was so, or come out hospital and went back into the front not a problem in terms of going to same problem with my ear because i was shot at by well, list for a front in the in syria and, and tank myself. hit my car and i'm out of here in years. so i know exactly what

you're talking about. i wanted to ask you also about the difference between the ukrainian, the regular army and the so called territorial defense battalion called as of gold. i dar, i'm sure you heard of all of them. could we, you know, put, you know, could we distinguish between the, could you tell us about that? yeah, i live in the area so, so as of this court permanent, you know, the situation is from on the stand, the national guard control assessment. so national guard, no westerners are allowed to the, to the crisis or as a default on it control the inspect it. it's not from what i understand as of is not the site showing me great. it was back in 2004 or 4 as of it has very good equipment for probably better equipment. the more you asked me is 229. and so you are my unit consist. so you know,

80 hours old equipment. so, and you know, is it varies based in the barracks or need constant work in refill? would it be training this? i can't compare service center training, but the training is very modern. it, but it's trying to understand as a little bit better a little bit more funds are made available. bush of battalion, they've been accused by the united nations of committing a war crimes and atrocities. i've seen time and again myself people or did say from i was up at sallie and they have a swastika, you know, painted all over their body and they've been accused of nazi variations by b, b, c by vice news by you know, what have you by many difference

a news media around the world, and obviously you know, more about them since, you know you've been closer contact if you will. i'm not sending direct. but still, what can you tell us about that, about their not c affiliations and about their atrocities against peaceful civilians. i told them too much about allegations with soon too. so that is special khan, really common for i, i would if i knew to be honest. uh i so i so many cars, if the now is off, i generally you guys the car, get work in a village is going to be run because of the trademark on a stan. i know there are sure maybe a minimum you know soon because through the all the cause of not for i don't really

see much of it and it's not a lot of people walk around, preach net or theory and anything in barrier falls showing it from the rooftops don't really say at all. i've lived in new cars for years. if it's about the nazi for a new credit or a new never seen a nasty track. never witnessed any nasty behavior. no. st. parade's, no, i just, i've been here a crime shows got it. all around you crying and he never see miss. granted, actually most of my time is spent actually on the so i was my wife and i didn't marry out with. so this is why my excellent my should be presented here every time you can see from me showing, you know, it's a somewhat surprising to me. when you said that you haven't seen any of the signs of your fascism on. that is mean ukraine. do you know who monday?

yes, this history lesson is a state college and ukrainian birth. yeah, i do. i have source it naturally. my marches on. don't know to fall aspects of it. i don't know the us a choice can't comment, but i understand, i don't understand. i'm not the current. and i mean, i don't, i understand. well, just to fill you in, there is not a collaborator during a world war 2, and i want to have different presidency in ukraine's our pro russian, somewhere to russia and said they were all o 140 were pronouncing him as the hero of ukraine. the others denounced it, so there's this constant fight where they, he is a hero of ukraine or not, but he's been proven that he is a scholar to talk about it because i had it for him to saw. it's an on essentially never going to be incredibly english like con source. so right,

the difference between, you know, there is why very well on this because everybody knows farm whole the knowledge that with you have made the choice to take up arms and fight on one side. yeah. because more harms that i've lost my home. okay, so that's it, it's done. my heart is beyond its tra, everything's gone. and so i to my kid shores because it's my home did. did you want to go on to the 3 year contract when i was a sci fi? and i'm a soldier in ukraine. the end of the day, i had no choice other than to it, just to say to put in funds from ohio. and amanda asked us, the only reason i'm being renewed because i started in for my mom, our wildlife, when we are, do you have a crating citizenship? no more of ami ortiz residency for the time of the contract, which is where you were looking to finish the contract. and i have to leave the country anyway as mine on the contract. and then apply for residency,

which is easier and see to speak with the mortgage. the only reason lawyer to run the management and then they know because we have to leave the country. i didn't know we were gonna say i'd like to said, i mean we're going to see my son off to university finish my contract, a hard to see more about time. so are you being treated as a prisoner or, or, or are you being treated as the criminal here because you're trading in citizen and are you a hired gun or are you a ukrainian p o w? what are you at the moment? did they tell you that they have just told me so long in the last couple of days for any you crying, we only go where 3 your contracts are out of change the laws to allow foreigners join the army and we essentially fall under the colors. if you cry and, and we thought there were 4, you can aspect here it is on so is that we are now considered

a legal combines even though we have got our take live here married here because we are not citizens of the frame. so under, under, from what i'm told is that we could go to trial. we're under investigation in 3 days. we could go to trial. and if it goes to trial, the worst case scenario is definitely with her, which is just been told to me for that. so you can understand more, i'm a little confused at the moment that you could select. he's put out over a call for foreigners to join the military. obviously i get one side of it here. so i don't know the full information on both sides. i get one side, and so he's put a call out to the foreign military for foreigners to come join the military, essentially myself. and i was like when the 1st foreigners to join the military,

and it looks like if we don't get swats, we could actually end up, you know, were situation being neglected for the fairy country. we were forced to make in my rent too. so i hope that is not the case, but i'm, but you know, it's, it's, it's who are in the way and people want, you know, to exchange prisoners and people want different things. so we're hoping that something can be arranged as fast. so if you cry and so can see my wife, you can make some decisions, you know, definitely need hospital or some treatment on some stuff and things like that. otherwise, the worst case scenario is we could just be but you might get the death penalty, which is, which is nice with would you have done anything differently and knowing now that you have your hand well practically, no,

back up there. in mary hopeful from give only empty promises unfulfilled promises because i read the ukrainian press i read for impress russian press hymns that we constantly hear over the last couple of weeks that ukraine is about to send more troops to the blockades. murray, who paul, to help out the people there, but each side we just saw attempts to rescue, you know, higher, higher ups for, from your truce. but people from 4 to 6 brigade, regular soldiers were just sent out from the burgess cannon fodder. if you have done anything differently, if you knew that before you went in for 1st of all, let me adjust the fact that if i did not agree with the class is illegal, confess

a hard copy want to sign a contract that's. that's crucial. i would appreciate it 1st and 2nd because when citizenship comes onto your contract, come and sign a certain, you know it's on it. and on the back it up, i've just set it for probably the worst time in my life where we thought for mary or full time and the circle just put smaller and smaller make on phone, bob and from bob, bob from bob, we very little return. obviously as the previous, we knew that was the case with a source because that's where most people dies. and thes says, i don't know any information about most we said, i'm nice because we've had overseas not going for 9 months or not signed in the information isn't good,

positive or negative. so i can't comment on anything with this is my heart for if you leave a consent because i just sometimes it's just about it. yeah, i don't know. i have no idea. i still don't know, mary, or i don't know even a lie of how your current states, you know, they start by, i don't know anything. i'm just sit here every day thinking, you know where we are, is this city crane is the know what street type you want to know. are you going to get exchange and now go pick a few somebody places to worry about. you know, it's done now and all, all here is finished and then now are stuck here with this problem. so i can't really comment on sean. finally a, i've been told that you made a call to british authorities foreign exchange. i don't know if i'm right or not and what was your call to them and what do you think they can do for you at this

point for? it made it clear that they wanted to exchange us for a piece of metal metal, a usage. and they said that he wants to exchange us for him, and ukraine was to do that. no, i don't know. he says, i think they said no to the dentist people's republic cancer exchange us for i know that i think it was, it was missing translation because from what i have for, from what i've seen in the news, i made the joke. he's a ukrainian citizen, and there is no basis, you know, legal or political or whatever for him to be changed. it's something ukrainian side wants to exchange a one politic well figure in ukraine for you guys and for the rest of the ukrainian soldiers. there are at least 3000 in captivity right now. that's what they once you

. but russians are yet to answer about that. so i don't know, see again or the or not fully up to speed in the probably option comment on it for now. because that was like to make a call to the british authorities. i've always done that. yeah. we did make a video to ask for so obviously push the agenda and they let me bring my family to sort of say, you know, i'm archive, i can re lobby and paste, and i've been doing this. so yeah, it's, it's done. it's been done. i'm sort of controlled here. so all i have an opinion is if it helps me then i'll, well, we'll help them all the same. there seems to be accepting the fact we come from 2 different parts which, which is quite humble, really. and like i said, our 1st me, mary, our police over at the moment, got bigger problems with our civil wonder small sure. she's got money

for. she's our guy and i thought they sees this. now we're taking away for, i'm going to ever get out generally, we've been so awesome. you can expect obviously a little bit of discomfort being a prisoner or i'm sorry, so you know, it's not going to be here in hartwell or sheridan, you know, i'm sorry. so you said that generally, generally, you know, you know, i mean, it was the trade i can well, if we georgia, summarize, this will hold the war, and this conflict in ukraine will be over soon. what, what's over my last a year, 10 year a year. i understand that more as hell and the 1st people that suffer our civilian . absolutely. yeah. i see my question. i think a dollar kicks in to the course stops very soon because it's a good friend,

sean. thank you. ah, lou in who needs to come to russian state will never be as tight as on the northland scheme div. mm hm. and i'm not getting all sons. i'm up for a group in the 55 when. okay, so mine is 2000 speedy. one else with we will band in the european union, the kremlin community up machine. the state aren't russia today and split our tea. sputnik, even our video agency, roughly all band on youtube and pinterest, and with

me only one main thing is important for naziism, internationally speaking to that is that nations because of allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the minor nation. so all the slaves americans, proc obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it's serge american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous go. you man, that wants to take over the world, that was caught your strategy. so some golf out of it on your own english v i n b. i not, felicia, too often. zip on in tablet loc. nato said it's ours. we moved east. the reason us, hey, jim and dangerous, is it the law?

the sovereignty of all the countries, the exceptionalism that american uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nato, what is bad shareholders in united states and elsewhere in lodge obs companies would lose millions and millions or is business and business is good and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion. oh, is your media reflection of reality? in the world transformed what will make you feel safe, isolation, whole community? are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? direct?

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a with russia says give, has again refused to use a provided safe zone for ukrainian troops in the besieged as almost all field factory and mar. you pull to release civilians and surrender as the fight for the nationalist struggle. bridges on reports from the battle ground, a foreign nationalist to keep the pressure going against the flow. prominent italian journalist angelo dorothy, a contributor to top national news outlets stands up again.