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with broadcasting from our studios in moscow. this is our to international. i'm john thomas. certainly glad to have you with us. now about 30 civilians managed to flee the besieged as of stall steel factory and ukraine's valuable city this week, amid help from the un and the red cross. the factories underground levels are believed to be the last pocket of resistance, a by ukrainian nationalist troops with an unknown number of civilians being held. their russian forces have surrounded the plan for weeks. now, calling for those inside to come out and surrender and to stop using the civilians as human shields are cheese. but i got the reports from the outskirts of the industrial complex. this is a complex, everything you saw when you plug now a week ago, we could only go fly over here

with that is all part of the industrial size itself, including the buildings right. then he passat his with thousands of your credit lessons and the regulars and the hostages to people, but they are still holding. that is where they were. more or less said he had deep in shadow when the sun sets on the other side. that is when you great inside was become very all over the place filled with 180 degree of you in priority tyrese. last industrial complex to say that is

a slack mountain where you, brilliant snipers are also very active, scurrying across it. like i'm pretty with inside the brushing artillery rush and drones and surveillance nearby volunteers from the nits designated marksman. also watch for signs of nationalist activity. they spotted something or dan brown who conducted on a level chance of throw it ash brower or ignoring the head coach, elijah washington. thank you hon. oh ah with me and you all right,

with disability with boys on here to lose you know mean some system think a lot residential apartment block neighborhood that was held by your credit nationalist would have this has been liberated from naturalists now the via the flag mountain over there in the distance today, ukrainian nationalists that the spoil tip, but more active than usual. and so was russian shelling of it

who, who probably sent you a rosy, that she's sure it's a little hungry goose for keeping the scene for me. the right, this was a good thing. he started with rush. think so close for those sales for the you. movers who are to have a group. i think i'm we should for the household on please. yeah. you know, was a very low positive. i mean, you have to go to our middle, have it in your gym or did similarly with the vehicle that is interested in law and i want to coordinate with the voluntary during daily. she's was broo, russian forces are ordered to hold fire and the nationalists take full advantage every day. here. the seeks unilateral these robinson by the russian side, during which tom, there's a corridor humanitarian called corals, a number of them that would allow you gradient nationalist leave. please,

however, up until now the of the club with that will even played out. the more that you, the civilians will still trump is not the as of steel. industrial complex the number of world leaders have called for more multi plenty in the world during talks . this week, including russian top diplomat, sergei levels. you've still read you. the world has changed. americans claim they want to make the world unit pola for good. but objective processes go in the opposite direction. the world is multi polar. and we have been repeatedly saying that the un security council needs to get rid of its main defects over dominance of one group of countries. how to 15 sit 6 belonging to the western countries and their allies. un chief antonio gutierrez, was in moscow this week for talked with brushes, leadership, where they agreed to some humanitarian measures for war torn ukraine and shared the

viewpoint that there should be more multiple arity in the world. but the visit was heavily criticized by the west parties. it was done of comments. the concept of america's unmatched grandeur, against any other nation in the world, has long been a corner stone of us. national ideology is an extraordinary era imported countries representing we're all ukraine when light is wrong. and the range to frankie or america is unique among the nations of the world because we were not built around any particular tribe, religion, or ethnicity. instead, we were built around an idea that all people are created equally and deserve to be treated equally throughout their lives. for as long as the u. s, has been making these claims rush has been wincing at them with skepticism. by then, america's ego had t to jazz, were it expected at the least the,

you and chief speaking in moscow during a meeting with none other than vladimir putin. it's very important, even in these moments of difficulty keep alive the values of multilateralism. we neither wolves that is multi paula with multi level institutions and those multilateral institutions must abide by the un chartered and by international law. sure, the head of the un may have been repeating something he'd 1st postulated at least 3 years ago. but this latest statement came as a sucker punch to washington, while it's already having to deal with russia's push to reimagined the world order . and it's still like moscow's alone in this fight torsos and china, russia co operation, has no limits, are striving for peace, has no limits, are upholding, of security. has no limits, or opposition towards had gemini,

has no limits. america's traditional, middle eastern side kick, saudi arabia seems to be blind citing. it's big brother to buy making progress in sewing ties with iran. the saudis are effectively throwing off the divide and conquer approach that worked so well for the u. s. there, the russia ukraine conflict is likely to accelerate a longstanding transition to a multi polar world. one that will be increasingly shaped by a competition over strategic connectivity. and while some historic allies drift steadily away from washington, it's rivals aren't getting any clothes either. mainly because the u. s. believes that coercive diplomacy is still a good idea. what we would not like to see is a rapid acceleration of india's impulse from russia, as it relates to energy or any other exports that a currently being prohibited by the us or by other aspects of the international sanctions regime. it seems the inception of and to you as descent, is going global,

and washington doesn't have anything to show for it other than to try and strong arm nations into obedience at you. those are most of our countries understand that in today's day and age in order to achieve peace and stability, we need a multi polar world. and our cooperation and coordination will be important to achieve it. but as you who sir brazil in russia share principles such as the respect of sovereignty and international law on non intervention. and we intend to work together with russia on the promotion of an international multi puller order. the murky la to our system actually doesn't work anymore in emergency put our world, the united states on its audience. so want unipolar world, unused her, of emergency lot to our institutions fulfill own geopolitical benefit. united states still wants to impose a, you need to put our world on try to escalate the situation in ukraine when russia would like her to work, to achieve main goal, which is

a neutralization of ukraine where united states today will be. you're criticizing this meeting because he doesn't see, are we, there are objective to work to make the war us wrong as possible to weaken russia since from the beginning of the crisis they wanted to use, or ukraine as a proxy against russia. and they made already, your own negotiation is impossible on then you will europe and security older to provoke this war. a former deputy foreign minister of new zealand mat robson has expressed support for russia's position against nato expansion, saying it's absurd that the western military block claims that russia and china are the world's main aggressors. while it is actually nato that has base is all around the globe for one that we can cross to matt robson. joining us through video link from new zealand, thank you for being with us here in our international. so you were

a senior diplomatic official in new zealand, a nato partner, but you now support rushes opposition to the blog expansion. can you explain why use zealand for very long time was a colony of great britain and it always followed what britain did as the british empire. after the 2nd world war was cold and rational. the great country arctic war . new zealand tended to fall under the lead of the united states and foreign policy. we were involved in the war in korea, in 19 fifties, in the war against the people of them, laos, and converted which slipped. 5000000 people did. and we will part of the american military alliance after the war and the new zealand people started to question both american foreign policy. and also the wisdom of being part of

a nuclear block with the foreign policy of another country. and so big movement began in the country, which was expressed in the biggest work as party, the labor party, which i was a member of at that time to have an independent policy. i became a member of the government. i wasn't the deputy prime minister leader to party and the coalition. my party was the associate foreign minister and the minister for the summit and arms control and municipal development. and we had an independent policy based on l being non nuclear. we became non nuclear. and the united states was extremely angry with me as a little, despite the fact that was only 5000000000 people went to anybody. but the people in new zealand supported. and they had witnessed the fact that by being part of the military alliance that the united states, the violence against the people who latin america,

the violence against the people of asia, and they wanted no part of that. so what does happen now, without the debate, without discussion either in the parliament or any other form you see and is back into a new be around the block. with many, many of us call the new the around terrorist organization, nato, and the people that museum does not discuss this in tech. they're not even aware, but is lead us into a war. which many of us now understand as a war in the ukraine created by the united states for purposes. and we lined up with the cigarettes that will form by the united states and is leading us into a very dangerous situation. that's the basis of the same. that's forming in new zealand. new zealand is not a major as everybody knows a major military power or economy. but it is a privilege country in the world. so background of being a poli,

white's certain connie, pull the united kingdom and therefore self a privileged position. and as it's a democratic country, democratic elections, it's valued by the united states to wave the flag and say, new zealand is with us. fortunate in this war, leadership in the parliament without discussion, has committed us to both sending intelligence endless to great britain to help. well, basically kill people in the ukraine by pinpointing military targets, some of the targets russian soldiers, who are now opinion of many of us, the news in defending both russian federation, russian people, and those who craniums in the civil war, who've been targeted by the, the key of regime, we've also provided a very small amount of money. $15000000.00 for the united kingdom to purchase

weapons. and that's against the policy that mostly is able for very, very long to come out of the military alliance and habits. foreign policy directed by the united states of america went back in the well, you bought the issue. i want to kind of go back in touch upon, you said that a war created by the united states. what do you think about the claims that nato provoked the conflict and ukraine by pursuing extension towards rushes, borders? i'm sorry, i'm, i didn't hear that. you know, if you could just, well, yeah, no problem. the idea is, or what are your thoughts that nato itself provoked the conflict in ukraine by pursuing expansion towards russia borders? well, the, the fact that there's been a fact that there's been a civil war in the ukraine launched with us. the funding in the direction

of the united states has not been told by our media, the white us being a country this democratic to the people. when i started anything at the university and my youth and any war was called the origins, you study the origins of the war. but that has not happened with the ukraine. so l people know very little about the 2014 overthrow, the president of the mall, of the nazi groups in the ukraine. the battalion was the campaigning of president linds kiana program of peace for ukrainian people. and with russia, they know nothing about that. and then the assault on the, the, the people in the east, in the us republics to say, now i know nothing about that. they only know what they're told, the invited publication, little, not in defense or people in the ukraine,

not as an aggression. what about it's that which is important to bring to the people that museum? what about the idea that ukraine is right on russia border? now sweden and finland also want to join nato, finland, also right on russia's border. how do you think russia could react if it becomes even more enclosed? yes, it does. but of course i'm not so familiar with the internal situation of finland. it's a country which is a bias throughout the world for many tickets in education and it's progressive policies. but sweden, for a long time, has left its neutral position. if you ever had it, for instance, it helped rendition people for torture and the so called war against terror. it's collaborated and silent. the trying to attempt to silence julian assigned the journalist as you know, and you'll see is giving good coverage to the persecution of this man who's exposed

to walk lines of countries that we're now deeply involved with the new zealand. and so, yes, it is a dangerous thing. but new zealand population. what we and new zealand then it's a growing group of those of us who got some influence in politics. it's a growing group who want, who are taking this flight for truth and analysis into the labor party, the governing body, that $56.00 to the will, maybe 3 quarters. i'm sure the numbers understand the duplicity of the western countries in the description and they are lining up of other countries in the majority of the will, will not go against it. they may not, or every country know all the details of they know the history of the united states . you don't have to tell people in latin america of the brutality and the violence, the intervention of the united states. for centuries,

the people have been waiting to the people who cuba, the people who make it. and now nato has also got a base in columbia and the dutch in the british, who still got colonies in those areas have extended 9 to nato's long, long ago. let it shows so yes, it's a terrible thing that they're trying to line up against russia. but on the other hand, the great majority of people in the world opposed to what the united states doing. and i hope that you will, when we're going to make sure that a movement begins in new zealand to stop us being dragged into this war, cherry, which is later, we know it's reputation. we know it doesn't defend democracy. we also know, we don't have to give lectures to the people in russia who suffered the most and as well from the attack of nazis. we know also that the russian government

saying that they want to the cation of the ukraine is for all of us. because the growing threat of fascist nazis throughout the world is a real threat. and the what russia has done with the special operation, it's good. it's a good description. what russia has to do is on behalf of all of us. it's not just for russia is to wake people up to how aggressive nature, though, is how destructive it is going to have to look at libya. it's role in not throughout the world and dismemberment of the eucharist lava. oh, politicians and new zealand. why look through laziness, ignorance? i don't know what it is. i know many of these people. they don't study history like, obviously in russia, whatever the party is, this michael center in motion russians know and look at history. and so what

happened in yugoslavia and he said very clearly to the will. that's not going to happen to l people. so rather than burton and the russian government have done, it's all a favor by saying to showing nato, we're not going to be bullied. and many people in the will. and the majority of countries respect that the fact that we're not going to be bullied by this aggressive destructive country. which leads nature, within the game plan. as obviously healing links to russia. they know all the documents from cannon through to visit and ski to the rand corporation to the not the data of community unit 2021, which sets it out to dismember. russia dismembered hel daily. but also, of course, in al part of the world, we know it's aim to china as well and being dragged and we into that fight to try

and begin a war or confrontation with china. now robson has to stop there because we could go on and have lengthy conversations about that. i wish we can some time, but we are out of time, former new zealand deputy foreign minister and appreciate you being with us here in our international thank you very much. this person to do so, india is a top diplomat has rejected calls from the west to condemn russia's military operation in ukraine, and instead has said problems in asia should take precedence again. quite candidly, we've been hearing for the last 2 months. a lot of our, a lot of arguments from europe, so you know that things happening in europe and asia should worry about that because these could happen in asia. guess what things have been happening in a shop for the last 10 years. now, europe may not have looked at it so, so you know, it could do this could be a wake up call for europe,

not just in europe. it could be a wake up call for europe to also look at ation. india has so far defended its neutrality over the war in ukraine as it maintains close ties with moscow. ukraine has been a central topic of discussion between the indian administration and western counterparts for the past 2 months. india is top. diplomat has insisted that his country needs to rid itself of the idea that a foreign power could define new delhi policies as it should not need to seek approval from the west. we got reaction from a former senior official in the indian foreign ministry who pointed out numerous tragedies in asia that were ignored by europe. we are being given summons about how we should behave. and i think a minister should go was right to point out. ringback it shows me more prices, whether it clues on the song or the problem of it or isn't and to which the europe in countries paid no attention. not the concerns of the nation

countries. so i think that he was quite right in pointing out that if you know that every country looks at the problem from the perspective off it said geography and it's a national interest. and the european perspective on this is not necessarily shared by other countries. but i think that we should all be concerned about the life of human beings or suffering for all around actually on. so, vows the conscience we want the finish state energy company, gasoline needs to respond to russian gas, export, or gas problem before may 20th on whether it will comply with a new requirement to pay for the commodity in roubles. if it refuses,

soon linda could become the 3rd country in europe after poland and bulgaria to have its gas supplies halted by russia. meanwhile, bulgarians have been eager to reverse their country's decision on the matter we discussed. and what we suggest, according to my employers, is that the government do everything possible to restore talks with guests from and deliver the contract. that's the message from the bulgarian deputy prime minister after meeting with top business men and sophia, according to russian officials. however, most of the gas problems, european partners have complied with the request for rouble payments. austria and germany have said that stopping fuel imports from russia could lead to a deep economic recession. but they are still looking for ways to negotiate payments in euro's western leaders have said rushes decision to stop gas supplies amounts to blackmail gas problems, announcement that it is unilaterally stopping gas deliveries. to certain jo, member states is another publication from the kremlin. but it comes as no surprise

that the kremlin uses fossil fuels to try to black. my last, we're working with other nations like korea, japan cutter and others to support or effort to help the europe and allies threatened by russia with gas blackmail and their energy needs and other ways. russian authorities have rejected the black male accusation saying that they are promptly delivering to those who paid in roubles, black mail or not locals. of the countries that have taken a stand against russian gas are worried that it will backfire usa chin. no, i think it will be extremely bad for us, but what i'm waiting for as the government to resign, i expect new elections and a new normal government because we cannot expect anything good from the current one . i expect it to have a catastrophic effect. prices will grow up more. that's the way it will be. i. i think this is the government's job to consider and resolve the problem. that's what they are going to do. in fact, they will resolve it, the citizen,

it has become clear that we can get gas from europe, but at a higher price quote of men. so i do not believe it's an appropriate solution if gas is halted from russia. let's not forget that many you countries will pay in roubles to get gas from russia despite the imposed sanctions. as i understand it, we will not do so. goodman favor, it is difficult for me to imagine how we will continue to live with such increases . i think that this will lead to an increase in poverty or the impoverishment of society in general. what will people it will be viewed sir? harder? no, sir. prizes lou increase. yes, i think that the rising price is a worrying a soul, but we believe that we will deal with it and that these increases will be quite bearable for us. meanwhile gas prom says it has observed a physical reversal of gas from germany to poland, which means warsaw is still buying russian gas. but through a 3rd party and at a higher price or cheese don quarter comments. poland and bulgaria have apparently

done what so many experts have said, is likely impossible. they've cut themselves off from russian gas imports altogether. it's all because the 2 countries refused to pay in roubles, and war saw seems pretty optimistic about it. brussels has also assured us that the country's neighbors are picking up the slack. today member states met in the gas coordination group, poland and bulgaria upstate to us on the situation. both poland and bulgaria are not receiving gas from their you neighbors. it's true, just after russia closed its taps, germany's gas flow to pull into increased by 5 times. looks like they didn't really need russian gas after. all right? not so fast. germany, bies, over half of its natural gas from russia. those supplies then travel through the am all pipeline which also crosses through poland. now to provide war. so with the gas it needs berlin is reversed flowing, that same gas along the same pipeline at a higher price. it should be noted that according to the available data, there was

a physical reverse of gas from germany to poland and apparently to ukraine in the amount of 3 to 5000000 cubic meters per day. so the only thing different here really is that warsaw has to buy russian gas at a premium to save face. and that's no small energy bill, just for warsaw to say it's stuck to moscow. russia used to supply poland with half of the countries total consumption. but with poland now buying russian gas through a 3rd party, warsaw seems to think it's diversified. bullish homes and the economy are secured for the supply of gas. we have the necessary reserves and sources of supply that protect our security for years. we have effectively become independent of russia, a real trail blazing strategy, poland established there. so, i mean, you countries might try to do the same while others try to pick up the slack. but one thing's for sure. the main source of europe's natural gas will remain the same . russia, this is a very cynical game.