of a grassy corporate media in the west has joined the campaign. the government's campaign, which is bertram. clearly an american proxy war against russia. this is evident from the very start on february 24th, the day russia entered ukraine. joe barton, give a press conference and he was asked, what do you think? why do you think the sections are going to work now and they didn't prevent the invasion? he said the sanctions were never meant to print, prevent the invasion. they were meant to tell the russian people what he's done and, and to make them feel the pain. that's what this is all about. and then of course, in poland, he came out right out and said it, it's about regime change in russia. this goes way back to 1949 when the c i a, took me call the lead one of the leaders of vendors fascist, grew back to new york and used him for sabotage against the soviet union and ukraine, right? for the ar and revolution. certainly the 2014 qu, so the media is only given the ukrainian side of the story. ukrainian sources of washington a, leaving out huge chunks of this story, particularly that 2014 us back who in care of the civil war and on bass. the role

of neo nazis. what the minster corps was about, the nato, a treaty draft trees, russia put forward in december. all that is gone. you can't even discuss what the causes of this war are, which would include all the things i just mentioned. you are dan band as we were from paypal because of false information. you are traded, branded as you said, a traitor or a potent public sector just for trying to write the facts of the war without taking either side, even just doing that. so you were left with the, a cartoon figure of russian russia just being a monster that wanted for no reason whatsoever to attack this democratic country. and of course, as we're going to talk, i think later about so lensky, it's hardly a democracy. ukraine, my laurel, it's the same question to you because i'm joe is actually put forth my thesis here is that all this can happen. it can happen quite swimmingly when there's no context whatsoever. i talked to people privately and i say, well, you know,

we have to go back to 2014 the mens records and all that. and almost always is that what are you talking about? there is no context in talking about what's going on in your grade and this is intentional. go ahead, martin. it's a new ins, free zone. unfortunately, i'm new at noon. some details on relevant facts which take more than 30 seconds a process of seem to have been just whitewashed out of the entire media equation. let me look at you crane. i see to answer your initial question. you know, people like, or as johnson or i don't have invested so much in ukraine, you know, going back to 2014. i think anybody knows anything about the issue of the country, joe cold. it's a u. s. but who's even if you were to be kind you, you certainly there are certainly evidence of us meddling to install the predecessor zalinski and i think of them these leaders. these governments can't lose, they can't turn round to their electric. now,

during price high showing energy costs going up drain pollution, soaring and people not being able to deal with new taxes being a person, them, and say, hey, we've learned all this money and we might have got it wrong. they just don't have medical and made it doesn't do medical lead us to correct mistakes in the times like this week printed a very impressive article about the ghost pilot, so that your crime, naming him, you know, and apparently the training commanders facebook page just seem to escape detention of that, unless you're going to, the commander said, look, the story is nonsense. you know, it's a missed, it's been, it's been made and it's like, well, it's like the snake island. me. ok. which still is making the right? it still makes the rounds amazing. ok, joe. i mean we, we got to tell you when we know the, the, the, the politicians in the west are being disingenuous because nobody in the west is talking about a ceasefire. ah,

how to end this conflict as method just the reverse. they want a fuel it on. i mean, you know, there's a, you have a milly to join cheap at saft on this could happen for years. and then you have a defense contractor saying, well, you know, we, we know what will we're here to serve. we're here to serve the defense department. i mean, you know, the, the powers that be, seem to be quite gleeful it except for they don't seem to care much about the ukrainian people. that if you look at all of these speeches, the crating people don't really make the cut. go ahead, joe. now that they don't give a damn about the credit people, they don't have much damn about the american people. this is a proxy war to weaken and destabilize russia and to overthrow the regime. so they think by the sanctions and by bleeding, russia militarily on the ground and to information warfare and without russia's entry into the civil war. and ukraine, if at the end of february u. s. couldn't launch this economic information, and on the ground insurgency or flooding the country,

what weapons tried to bleed russia much the same way that the u. s. did what the soviet troops in afghanistan, that brzezinski has admitted an interview that that was a trap set for soviet union using them hoosier dean. i think it's the same thing in ukraine. there. set a trap for russia at, with using ukranian, neo nazis in the forefront, ukrainian, or mila regular military and ukrainian people that they don't care about. and they will fight this war to try to. we can, if not bring down russian gun, which i think is highly unlikely. but the fear, the fear i have is that if russia even the sweeps to a decisive victory all away from dumb best or the south in odessa to the romanian border, that is going to be a land and a possession difficult to defend. they will continue to stand weapons there and they'll be attacks, it could go on for many, many years. perhaps. i think that's what the us wants here, and they're gonna try to bleed russia and ukraine. and i think this is what the strategy. yes. well, i mean martin, but that,

that has to include the willingness of the ukrainian population to go along with that. that remains to be seen here because it's joe is pointed out and i think it's so pressing to talk about this is that there's a civil war going on in ukraine as well. it's never framed that way in the west, but we've had this. you know, that these tensions are go all the way back to the origins of ukraine when he got its independence. you had very different narratives about what it means to be ukranian, ukrainian history relationship with the west relationship with russia. and now it came to blows. we had the illegal co in 2014, and then we had the ethnic cleansing of the don back for almost 8 years. so you know that this kind of narrative, it's, are, you know, russia bad ukraine, good russia to authoritarian russia, ukraine democracy. i mean, it sounds like to our western audience, it probably gets 8 minutes of, of foreign news a week. okay. but, and it works, it works to the powers that be because this story is so much more complicated. and

if you, if you start explaining it, then people will start having questions and that's not what they want. martin go ahead. exactly. and the last thing the big media in the west wants is people asking all good questions about chris? oh, new narrative that could open up new, new avenues and scrutiny at the moment. you know, we're, we're, we're working in a parent with western media to check the british media in america. media doesn't really want to look at any of those to create some new subjects that charges for the student with if we did, if we had journalists that my friends ask those really awkward questions that could create a completely different momentum in countries like britain on america people might start asking so difficult questions themselves or not still asking questions to america, for example, and we really forge so the 3000000000 dollars country, those are the world we don't even most americans cutting find on the map. i mean, it's ludicrous this idea. but britain in america has this cultural,

historical connection with ukraine. i don't see it. i wasn't for this. when i went to school, you know, it's difficult to, to see where they're going with that now, other than removing him as a russian leader, that was the launch and stick to and i think we're living in a era now when we look back at history for the end of the 20th century, in generations to come. if we say this is a period of folks, he was with the, with nature, with western countries where it goes toward more, you know, we sent all the people to go to war to fight our fights for us. and ukraine is very much to me, a pub carpark, to have a scrap with people on the road that don't agree with the views on. and you have your, you know, your own them chip, political objectives. and i think people in the western know that they're understanding why they're not asking than i expected anything from the western gentleness. you know, they're the reference to national neo nazi group sledging in your paper. how many

people know how many can understand that we for 2 world wars and fascism and it's very difficult for newspaper editors. and i don't know how to sell this war with all the gruesome details that are going on, you know, but at some point they will know, you know, my, my worries just joe pointed out that some, you know, the real worries where, where is this going now whereas is leading because it leads to nuclear solution from a we'll talk about a little bit in a 2nd half the program. but joe, you know, talking about all of this money when you know, you look at the, the middle class and working people in the western world been crushed for the last 40 years underneath liberalism. but there's plenty of money for ukraine that is notorious being one of the most corrupt countries in the world. one minute before we go to the break, go ahead. joe will, like i said, they don't care about the american people. look at what ukraine has been. it's a gravy train, it's a place for carpetbaggers. when the soviet union fell, they floated into russia an acid trip. the country published the russian people created oligarchs. and yelton that all happened potent came and stopped it. he was

yanna kobuck who didn't take the deal in one of the russian deal. they probably showed that the gravy train continued in ukraine all those years could and did not forget joe biden. and hunter button went in there afterward was part of this carpet bagging processed. that is what you crane is for the western don't wanna lose that . well, it certainly when the pentagon comes out and says that it has no is as no accountability . what happens to all these weapons that are flooding into ukraine? and i, i'll tell you gentlemen, i visited ukraine many, many times. most journalists that write about it have never been there for those weapons will end up being used against the west. eventually, they'll end up on the gray market, the black market instantaneously, because these are valuable weapon systems. the, and these are the people that are in control. and the fact that they want to continue this war shows they have no respect for their own people. and gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on who's winning.

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a couldn't even comprehend about the level of stupidity and ignorance and arrogance . when people talk about nuclear warfare, i'm astounded we at, before we started our recording, we lamented the loss of stephen cohen, which warned us about this. go ahead, martin. you know, i just think this a pattern. i mean, i just the strange love doctor, strange of the parallel is a funny one, but i just, i just think it's a pattern that we're experiencing. now when we look at ukraine, if jones, of my age, and step back and look at what's been going on in the region and how america just creates an off the shelf package on this for international media. when it goes in to countries like syria or even as far back as iraq, the 1st bus iraq war. and yugoslavia, we get this massive oversimplification the situation where people explained through the media. these guys on one side where what kind of house moves on the other one

like how much. and we saw it and you just love it. most of it's most of it's really quite demon, but stevens painted to be, but he simply wasn't very cooperative. whereas madeline albright and others, and we tried to just put a sort of us in germany ideas what's in terms of funding solutions and in, in the region. and sir, it was the same thing. you have this over simplification of the facts. this is this polarization of how the report in the news john, this who can't cross from one side to the other. and the same thing is happening now. in ukraine. everything has been made so simple for us to digest and the rest and journalist there are so few. this is the worrying thing. there are so few journalists on the ground now in ukraine, who just sent invoices, who are able to ask more difficult questions. hardly any reconstituted characters, you know, like generally in sitting there who are operating and around because what will

happen to those channels? you know, we saw recently with the rest of the a trillion blogger, because on the mirror, he was detained by the train security forces for a week, and that was a signal for me to journalist west. and john, this is what happens to you when you break away from the spin, spin fed narrative from the west, from our own public relations executives in jeff on how you look at the store is when you break away and you start asking difficult questions. you want to say is this fun treatment? and i think this is the tragedy of this war and it's a, it's a very sad thing. i think it was good. so who said that the truth is, blinds those who look at it too, too, too brightly, almost like it's a light in your eyes. and i think it's really true in ukraine. you know, we don't know what's really going on that, but your point earlier it's, uh, it's not checking on the where these arms are going, you know, i have a 6 walls and in my career and i can tell you that corruption doesn't stop when

a war starts corruption, not ready to fight, you know, and there will be plenty of international arms dealers on the black market looking to buy those american weapons on those british weapons before they even get off the ramp. you know what, he will end up and you haven't go to your credit or somewhere else in the world. and we'll find out about this in years to come, you know, who's getting rich? well, the journalist asking these questions, want to putting zalinski on support my, how does this guy have all this money from being? i want to talk about that to get a little bit later. but, you know, joe, i'm sure you saw lives trust the foreign secretary. she had this big, big to do over the weekend about how important to ukraine is. and just a you both of you, you know, i read the speech. it was very difficult to get through. but i have one simple question and then no one seems to want to answer is that what is the national interest? what is the u. k. national interest? what is the european union's national interest? what is the american national interest in getting involved in this regional

conflict? in europe, you have an answer for me, joe, because nobody in power wants to answer it. peter, 1st before you want to go to war, you got to make sure you domestic populations on the control, but they're not going to cause any trouble if you can, whip them into a frenzy. as we've seen the for a cause. that means nothing to them that even as you point out hurts them biggest, $33000000000.00 rather than going for their healthcare and other social needs is being squandered in a foreign country to help a leaps with their interests and to bring down a government that is no threat to the united states. died, i didn't read trusted speech, and frankly, i do say must be very difficult. well, to know that once you know joe joe, i read it so you didn't have to, so keep go and get it. yeah, exactly. i mean when she, when she identified part of the russian territories being and you crab is back the last time i wanted to hear anything from her. so i think that the scary part as a, as martin was talking about is you can't bring up anything to

challenge this narrative because they need their population solidly behind. and right now the us and britain have and sort of germany. it seems like as well, to some extent fred, i mean, this is a very scary moment when the sanctions on roger actually having a worse impact on western is lives than in russia. this is something that is going to have to become evident as a martin also said, they're going to get the truth eventually. but in the meantime, we have to slot through this and try to stay on shut down as far as websites go and our, our journal is, we get you new to just try to hammer on the things that we've been talking about here. look, martin, you, you brought up mr. zalinski, the president of ukraine. what, what do you make of him in his role here? because a month into the conflict and in simple there was a meeting with the ukrainians and the russians and a deal actually made a separate program about it. possibly was in the making of his government seemed to be making some concessions. and then the next new cycle from washington. no, no,

no, no, no, you don't hear. so what do we make of mr. zalinski here? and he's become very, very, very rich apparently, according to an sources. yeah, we, we have to be careful as a loss. well, speculation on, on the incident, but we know from, from the, from the previous investigations that he had at least 600000000 tons of ship options from companies. that seems to be a fantastic amount of money for canadian, even though he owns and production company, we're talking about a series of companies in television, which are a broadcast distributed for a long time, only a new crimes, one of course, companies near it. so i don't understand how you acquire that kind of wealth might take. and i don't have anything to fight this up. it's just my gut instinct. what. what i feel about zalinski is that he's a puppets of the americans, and he's been a puppet from the very beginning. think they to back

a 2nd horse after portion co. i think he was the one that kept observe. i think they are the one who i think they are pumping money into his media, recitation. they groomed and very, very early days to finally take this role. and i think, you know, this is really what we're looking at. we're looking at, you know, these days we're living in an era of the west into meaning and meddling in so cool revolutions all over the world. you know. and i think lensky was the perfect couch from the beginning that the identified as somebody who could play the role and be completely serv out in the west direction. the question is whether you will stay on message will stay. well, i think i may want, i mean, i think i have to say it is well, he survive it. i think that's also in the hard sir. joe, what do you make of him here? because, i mean, the one thing that i didn't expect i wanted my, our viewers should be clear. i mean, i warned that this was going to have,

i warned in december, january and february i every single program i went over and over again. you're not listening, you're not taking this seriously. and, and then it happened. ok. and zelinski ended up being just this kind of, he's the media star of this. i mean, and this is what happened. it's a you have a battle ground, a battlefield in ukraine where people are being killed and then you have another battle and it's all about media and cultivating this personality. and that's what makes this a parallel experience here. go ahead, joe. well, 1st of all, he's changing his opinion every 5 minutes. literally in the same interview, you can see me say opposite events that he will talk to the russians and he won't talk to the rest of so you don't really know what his position is. but you do know he's under enormous pressure from london and washington. absolutely, probably from extremist in his own country stubby, he may have the right instincts. we don't know, but we'll never know because he's not allowed to follow them. he's happened of

course, every ukrainian leader is a puppet. after 2014, they took over the united states, took that country over it's part of the u. s. and why it's a basically a possession of the united states right now. they're fighting this war for the u. s . against russia. it was an opportunity for us to fight russia on the ground without the immediate risk of a nuclear confrontation. because right now, nato. i mean, you, chris, i'm part of nato though. it is, it be facto nato country where they got arms training exercises, so they have built it up as a de facto member of nato and have used this opportunity to fight russia. so this man, i don't know about his money, whether he takes cocaine or not. i really dismissal that it's not, it's not important. what's important if she doesn't lead you crying, he's, he is a puppet leader, and anyone continues to be in office will be that including photoshop, to look at the tapes that have emerged about how bite and talk to him. and we know that the u. s. is running the running ukraine. this is the, this is the fact. so,

you can't really take seriously as zalinski and what he really wants for his country is, seems to be irrelevant. what united states wants for margaret were rapidly running out of time. i'm going to make a prediction here. article 5 will be tested on in the immediate future, because now the logic is, i mean, if, if, at the west, the setting in arms to kill russians and ukraine and the, the russians that you have to say, well, you know, we do something about that. and, you know, it's going across a ukraine's border to the west to stop that, i think is in the cards unfortunately. and the nightmare of nato will finally come to fruition because does everybody want to go. busy over into war with russia because he because poland wants to send arms to ukraine, 30 seconds, go to your andre, and go ahead. i'm gonna, i'm gonna jump to you. i'm going to take that id for the i've predicted in my articles recently. but i think it's only a question of time before british american soldiers, russia, since you're crank. and i think the reason being behind is because at

a certain point, public in those countries are gonna start complaining. and so asking questions about why and how we can carry on funding that extraordinary amounts of money in or including incredible amounts of money into the military industrial complex towards ukraine and the solution that those leaders will then come up with a later point is we got it wrong, but this is how we should fix it. now we need to send those. so just to finish off the job with the equipment that result. and i think this is where it's heading. i think british prime minister burn stroke to just recently sent 7000 ships onto the borders. i think the next thing that we're going to see that 3 months is actually a grounding nation. so that's what really worries me all for walk, for a bigger long term, a gemini plan from britain america to pick off these little states, no damage, or we can supposedly pension and to expand their political objectives. i don't think we can afford it. well, i can't guarantee that the russians will not under any circumstances,

lose this conflict. true on that gentleman in our audience here. it's all the time we have, thanks to my guest, america, and, and sydney, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time. remember, ross, who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing up in the future list. of course, if you click on anything you mostly mind or wish it were banding all in ports of russian oil and gas, new g. i. g

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