and you've also analyzed it from the perspective of russia's relations, was the west. why was this perception of russians as blood? sassy, barbarians isn't any idea? is it heavy? i thought you done? this is an old idea. yes, linley, you want to pinpoint the historical roots of fruits of phobia, full b x because i don't know how to go back to the 16th century. she has lots of just lots to lewis and stuff. oh good. and that was the time when brush became, in a way arrival to britain died. that was back than the british empire. dental baby yoga seed up by since that period we have seen what risks of phobia emerged time and again, taking new forms and serving new goals. she at the back. invariably it have to do with the competition in the global arena,

says great powers confronted a shoulder and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene. ready by his a professor crash as far as i understand any anthropologists will tell you that this kind of fair and immunization of the other tribe is a natural phenomenon with historically, humans have always food over sources, territories and power. don't you saying that given russia size and influence yet it's essentially inevitable for somebody to fairbetter. imagine what you mean. i mean, and the same goes for cynthia, america, phobia, et cetera. i mean, he's been good yesterday. yes. of course old is different. po bears have existed and will continue to exist. but we must always look for the powers that promote this phobias you did you form b, god, coy, c, o, a. we must see how much not by hate the people of

a given country or region experience. how fearlessly they are attacked bush's because most of these phobias we are not at all a grassroots phenomenon, not be made yet. for example, i was in berlin a few days ago, and i did not see any anti russian sentiment. when i talked to the people, yet nobody harassed russian speakers by the gate valley shut. yeah. although we know from german defense ministry reports again that there have been several 100 incidents, 0 issue including attacks and monuments and statues, et cetera. they did lonia, let i, but this isn't to popular movement years. yeah, there are no cochran suits, nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms, big images, and a sound a mean? so this is

a kind of hate that have different routes usa phobia rissa pho, bears an organized top down phenomenon in it has always been that way on the evening. yes. who? yeah, yeah, i love you. so what you're saying is that from the natural practice, which is inherent in all nations for recent, yes, mr. selby is now being deliberately and purposefully transformed into a tool for cheating specific goals. when you come up with me, yes, this new type of bruce, a phobia by his part of the war and ukraine. you might, it's a means to insure cohesion within the collective western influence, the population loudly woke. the role of the media is critical. you know, me yeah. gotcha. was get channels like seeing then bbc, it sat right on one to name all of them. it's all on there for to demonize russia.

we can see every minute of every day. this is the i was planning center. if i understand you correctly and your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully i say, i have decided to exploit humanities massey, primitive instinct. i show idea good at why, what is there an game? he thought i would say comcast, i need to see a bit em ugly, loosely you to laugh me gave an example for the audience and i did get the list that they made. yes, you will. in the e you, there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. meely bought it o m m o, he is anti russian to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and he is sad that russia must be defeated because on the battlefield. no, boy if b to b. stone hort, what is his agenda? it won't go. why does he talk such nonsense?

somebody is a man of tremendous responsibility, our pro. what are we even talking about? if you dates operate, i heard him say that it dawned on me why i watched determined woman in her forties or fifties speak to shell on z d f and major sherman t, the channel david bro, grandma and i was yes, she was from a younger generation not the hitler youth generation. ah, julia got no. what she sad was so baffling. i even remember it, her last name it was gal go b o emilia, does you? i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. if you ever open, i'm not going to be, she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking or a liberal and post modern way of life. you know,

rosky is you. so this woman, another way, and chairman citizen, once sherman need to fight russia in the name of european valley is not to leap, it was nice. i had a professor crass my understanding is that the special has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture only nobody wants or yes, this is don, an order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you the example about german woman. this line of argument is simply baffling for intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nap sci fi, or rising to cultural racism. it is, i'm think about, there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly,

just not that i'm very worried about rushes response. we must not go back to the 940 or 900 feet back to the soviet anti gus my politan campaign, which was me, me got some. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner psychic prudence, russia, the preschool of russia, cultural heritage, including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th century, is getting essentially cancelled. not to let y'all about that, but there are plenty of examples of this kind of it is happening. what could you tell us? which one shot to the most of the data merely solely. but it was the authoritarian base of liberalism. it charged me to see that it exists, but it's got to say, i have a position and it's not the official position of the youth. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position. the pro store that benny stadium was advanced somewhere on the fringes. if i want to say i want the truth,

i send for diplomacy and paste. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys heard her? say you didn't have access to the media. you wasn't joy yamazik. do you want find this sort of have been ins expressed anywhere in the media, notting, germany or not, and call and let them know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war. they believe in pace. they are against pumping ukraine with arms because these cannot be achieved that way. miss the miss the meta mask, but instead of payson negotiations, we've got crusoe phobia, or ukraine, a phobia level. it works almost the same way on the other side. yeah, he's on his heck lesson. i think i'll have to disagree with you here. because i do not see this and t crane sentiment in russia, in part because we'll have family in ukraine. any guys nicholas?

no, there is no ukraine of phobia in russia every night. no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. so they gene, we worry about them all the time. so someone says this always easy on the russian people that to lie. when we realized this is a heavy bad and i would even say great sin, and some day we will have to pay for it. so the number of the black teeth, noah buffer us, don't thought, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia no other choice book. that's the tragedy or at least for actors involved rocha. i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. they claim that russia alone is responsible for the war that the conflict again and sample rate $24.00 didn't double the war started way before at that time, a historian. so i analyze phenomena from

a historical perspective. they give you most ad though, he's more began, it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union delete the idea of breaking the russia park was a concept in the tree merged in the early 1998 in the works of a speak nap. but his in scheme was a security adviser to several us presidents. i know i just since dan native has been expanding eastwards all the way sort of us now we are witnessing the backlash. what any of us? i think there is something to this conflict we haven't seen before. not one of the confrontation between russia and the west had indeed begun a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. 0 that we have never seen any attempt to ban sikowski with lcs key until now. and that was literally, you may have heard the story about a 200 year old oak tree in t again of museum,

which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contest in order to exclude russia or again of street. that was, that it was that i see, you know, i mean, this is moronic. evade, and wanted there avoid or is there some kind of deeper meaning here. is there an underlying pappas or are people just losing their minds? went to law is, can't really, the goal is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to eradicate all other years. see years mostly through gannons. oak has no right to exist him the western people will want to know why you, me, bravo figured it over or under. explain this that you are told russians are evil people. i said they should be punished. i li, are you, are you still not a, not garza, she already knew they keep appealing to the sound self public conscience to the

ideal punishment. so this is gloria, keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russian says are some kind of barbarians. it's in lucy. therefore, european values must be abandoned in ukraine. that's why they pretend that ukraine is a democracy. even though they keep using these concepts as tools 20 of us, you see while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe, just the majority, are authoritarian regimes done the call on for example, or the baltic states. ready national and my own country, much though it is very important for the collapse of the ussr bounce. if i already ology will saying that we follow the same development path in europe every year as a basis, simply impossible. you cannot build a bars. you are democracy without a pro democracy middle class. this is going to build democracy. then i thought

it was the only guard without any culture, from scratch to the what the deal was concentrated, the all economic power in their hands through privatization to nothing more. yet we hear all these nonsense about european culture. well, professor calls, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. they tune me. i me only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking of that is that nations are allowed to do anything, all the master races, and then you have the mind, nations who are the slaves americans,

rock obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism, international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist. like turning those russians into this dangerous go, you man, that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so i'm going to a new one. i v i v, i not leashed it off in and tablet loc. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason us, hey jim, it is so dangerous, is it the lie? the sovereignty of all the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is bad that shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions and millions or is business and business is good and that is

the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion with ah well come back to wells, apparently the last, krauss, professor of russian history out there at washington, run the university of sciences, and would f, s. a has a profession, i. li, you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences. because it seems to me that the whole mock of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walker. we're

good on that as it appeals directly to the humans. so it is not the only coach to do that, but they said that it's distinctive feature in this, by me question us thought, would you agree that these attempts to cancel tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep westerners away and from russian culture? a good idea as up of the g, i thought was the little scrutiny eliza, the choice so that it can not touch their souls and let them see through the haze of not only the wrist, the phobia, but also the anti catholic systems. chris is still a good boy that basically squeezes the live out of people. come see us in some would save money to humanize. is us live with that? like i'm not going to live, you know, they're not be me a good day. for example, as that germans woman was talking old. that nonsense sort of saw the prism for olsen made a point. you just get sad that one cannot think ignore their deep and breach russian culture. already got dora, which represents that panic, whole of human achievement, i bleed. you're good. yeah,

adult. you have to admit that because every one now such door and that so be harm is not as great as we might hear. people won't be filled. they, cecily didn't blame the west as over doing it. my som in the west are being over zealous in the way. they carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, you have it among the intellectually lead side and see anyone trying to directly par, it's russian culture girl. by the way, you played dick to her some may not wish to have context with the russian scholars to find. you might, you know, to my ne, nick, i've got some may refuse to chris palmed with russian and black shoals at the satera doesn't you there? but didn't a, the hatred asthma dodson goes so deep as to warrant a ban on chikavsky. org tolstoy a law. and then i don't feel that kind of sentiment just yet.

but i called the number that stolen does. yes, but you might enter. so did you not over the edge your jewel, so you mean, it seems to me there's something home, a superstitious or richer left click about this movement to cancel russia that i think you may remember the incident in sweden when a concept in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musician, sadly when the bell alike, as they were supposed to pray, were made in russia bell alike as good counsel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the ukrainians by doing whole is with old. is russo phobia said can a russian, bela, like a, had the a koreans in any way? or should we get a bit of a help that these slippers teachers approach will help generate more support, more emotional solidarity with the ukranian refugees. guys give me bonds. that's not true and you're brown. we have been helping the ukrainian refugees since day

one. we are helping them take russians are helping misaki people of all political views, old sorts of people are helping yes, those is yes. be a good night and needed some money to. so all the hate against russians comes from the top. i'm going to use the word on that to the more to look at. maybe it's just the way i see it and that there has been a lot of mystic messaging in the dallas between the kremlin and the white house when you got seniors looking no $1000000000.00. what, for example, both payton and biden bring up got a line of walker or say biden's had some time ago that peyton had no soul, which was quite a strong statement with his evening. do you think that this conflict between russia and the west is defined merely by the struggle for g, a political influence resources, it is the right to decide for the nation. so i decide that there will be not only or is it, oh say spiritual basso of some soon as well. yes. ology just these things do not

exist separately. this burrito all, the political emb, economy, aspects all work together. and yeah, yeah, there is a global conflict going on, the u. s. and the collective west one to restore their ahead germany and the world even these up. but what it was done, i mean, give them good. do this, they need to demonize, each animal that poses surreal, trapped like china, india, et cetera. got a bus, is there, a new factor is on the global scene and nobody really understands them? well, we admire. this is all about, and you world order. well, you see, nobody understands them, but i think in russia at least, i think i do understand them when i was led to looking wants the emotions, you know, have a certain inclination for him, mrs. and he said, we will be with us. oh, certainly. but so do the americans sports items with sure we are really close in this regard. we'll believe we're the chosen people,

which i'll give an example in president biden art and denounces president putin who never speaks back by the way in biden is on a mission to fight russian ali garbage. yep. rudy isn't fighting against capitalism . like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american? all the guards? what's the difference? a scene you but you might or washing oligarch. sorry. bad american oligarchs are good guys. he only got, he got a she and this is mr. c. as in its purest form, is me how can one believe is your right? one can tip one as a racial person. i usually go, it's a matter of faith. you bring him. nathan, me up, but i, i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal scheme. it's an ancient slattich latin meaning the us here at the washing

them. you said i would work. i thought i had much head z m lucas place other meanings were land, nation people. i, that i'm not, not a what a by that it even denotes the human body in its entirety. i was, he will kill nights here. i had them say for russians sits and next essential spiritual battle. and what about the west? when you might think, does it understand it's not just about cream, that is much more than that. as a boy, it will walk aviation. i thought i suggest, but i forget a show going to ship is to let you, not all the you see the people at large haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this letter. and you don't bud bilson, power. hey, this latter is key, lee. they, they are trying to ban it. can you believe this law be di yanagishta

banning a ladder a place shine? how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world. so to say the west campaigning against the latter laza but blue. well, his shoulder is a joke saying it's not easy lansky, but here lansky crazy. so much say you asked, what is it that has shot me the most grassy these has. but as the look into but us no, i guess professor cries there might be some deep meaning to this out, you know, a lot of romanian philosophy and historian of religion mir charlie id gave it to me . i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous works is the sacred and the profane. you name it, point the on go i did he ok, is there that when a home or a land loses his cosmological meaning to pass and i did the passenger body an entire existence also lose their spiritual and religious dimension was his line, your boss and the shy absurdity of yours in the way beholden of

a smooth law. but don't you think, said you've, by antagonizing the west. russia is fighting globalization is that see? and the idea that a passage should be detached from the land of it's from the history of his and he says, well, the idea of being free and separated from the historical that cultural and spiritual processes are processing. it's not, i'm a dealer globalization, is that the idea that you can be anywhere or so the most of which is, if you put it this way is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice and that brings about asia. the warmest give us now when you when you had, you brought it, you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from battle historical perspective. in recent decades, globalization has brought about something tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind or challenges at the from william,

i think everyone agrees on that to de luca good. what was the response to these neal liberal globally as challenges e. still morse loves yes. the response seems to be that they decided they can ride a humanist and religious fillings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of destiny. genesis subset this debbie, there is this, is she of national self expression in eastern ukraine? this is the real issue here. not, not my daughter, is that a new grade and that a, i live up rossi in as up a mix like this is also true for a western ukraine that i see. russian never said it didn't one, an independent process in ukraine. what id to claim it was. i did not want the country to become a ground to launch an offensive. i annisa my,

they are at hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up shows up on the group. i got over. ready old, there isn't a single mansion of negative aspects, like ukrainian masters in western propaganda. holy, i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, about in his speech financing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, e y e, yet in the area was re with them as i see it. that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union and even empire. you needed to say that because i use it on them to reagan. what i want to ask you personally, not as a historian or academic, but as a passing her we do you believe that truth is power reviewed that the truth always comes out sooner or later than with on getting back to die? glad. yes, the gala is lee. yea be honest. there's like a king. if i were to lose faith and human kind 10 the truth my,

my life would be meaningless. i candidly, without it you model gross, don't you model it bad that we on your domain? still turkey, that's why i don't think generalize concepts like the west and the star legitimate political mother are too broad a local but as he is up, but nobody of us talk when applied, they raised the diversity of the west east and russia. they give rise to cultural braces, naziism, and russo phobia analogies. instead, we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to give us was not bit leaky. also, you have to have a critical approach to capitalism. but i wish the best way to reach you you've otherwise it's impossible to solve any crisis. is a weather today or tomorrow?

yes or no. you can use these software. well professor, i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. good bye and thank you for watching this here again on the wells apart. ah, ah, lou needs to come to the russian state total narrative. i've stayed as i phone and the most landscape diva. i was

also a group in 55 when okay, so 9 is 25 must be the one home with we will van in the european union, the kremlin. yup. machines. the state aunt, rush up to date and school ortiz spoke mckibben, our video agency, roughly all band on youtube and pinterest tele put on the 25th. it twisted channels with me. ah ah, with

ah, north atlantic alliance, reconnaissance aircraft wolf ships cruising close to rushes, borders have become commonplace along with military hardware redeployment and large scale exercises. nato has also developed its offensive capability near the russian borders every year a russian backed resolution is submitted to the un against the glorification of non system.